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Norman Wells wrote:

But again, if you are seriously unwell and frightened or worried, or
have mental illness problems, that is easier said than done. The basic
difficulty with a lot of the beliefs thrown around as if 'facts' in
this thread is that they simply don't take into account the compexity
of the cases. People may be in too much pain, or too much of a rush,
etc, to pause and carefully research if the WRVS can help them with a
'car'
or visit the CAB for info, or whatever.

With such conditions, they shouldn't be driving themselves either. So,
the question of their paying over the odds for parking, which is what
this discussion is about, doesn't arise.

A seriously ill person is likely to be driven to hospital by a spouse or
friend. The ill person will obviously feel they have to pay for the parking.

Bill

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On Monday, March 19th, 2012, at 16:36:34h +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

All necessities are provided. Human Rights legislation.

Including conjugal visits?

From http://www.metro.co.uk/news/826601-prisoner-calls-for-conjugal-visits

QUOTE

Christopher Pollock, who is serving a sentence at HMP Birmingham,
said the ban on such visits in prisons across England and Wales

"makes a mockery of the justice system"

and quoted Winston Churchill to bolster his argument.

In a letter to Inside Times, a monthly newspaper for prisoners,
37-year-old Pollock, from Coventry, said:

"I would like to know why prisoners in England and Wales are not
permitted conjugal visits when this practice is widespread in
other European countries."

"Surely they should be introduced here as a reward for good behaviour,
particularly for remand prisoners who are, after all, innocent until
proved guilty."

"It makes a mockery of the justice system when partners are being
made to suffer unnecessarily."

UNQUOTE

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Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:19:05 -0000, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 23:42:44 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Norman Wells wrote:

Not if you deduct board and lodging costs. Even if you pay for an
unnecessary TV in hospital, you'll still be well in pocket over
staying at home providing your own heating, lighting, food and
drink.

You still have to pay rent and rates and standing charges for the
house even when you're away in hospital.

That's a valid point. It cost me more to keep my house in order
when I was in hospital for four months. When I got home I had over
£1000 in bills that still needed to be paid.

Maybe you did, but that doesn't prove anything. The bills could
hardly be higher when you were away than if you were there.

They were higher because I wasn't at home to turn things off when I
went to bed.

It just doesn't
make sense. You'd have been using far less gas, electricity and
water for a start, as well as having no expenditure on food and
drink.

Electricity is used under floor to heat one room. I would normally
have switched it off at night but it was on all the time. Gas was the
big problem. Four months of central heating on 24 hours a day added up
to a much greater amount than I was using before I went into hospital.
I know all these problems should have been on automatic timers but
they weren't. My water is not metered. The only thing I saved on was
food and drink.

And I suppose you're going to tell me that, in the whole 4 months, there
was no-one to help you, no-one to visit, no friends, no relatives, no
social workers, no-one you could call etc etc, until the violins start
to play.

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Bill Wright wrote:
Norman Wells wrote:

I can't help contrasting the charges with the 50p a week prisoners
pay for TV.

Yes, but it's all artifical in prison. A weeks work only brings in
about £8-10, out of which prisoners have to buy all their
necessities,
All necessities are provided. Human Rights legislation.

Yes, for some values of 'necessities'. Air and water are provided free,
as I understand it, and there's a hard crust of bread thrown in
occasionally too. Not things like shaving equipment or toothpaste
though.

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On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:50:28 -0000, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

And I suppose you're going to tell me that, in the whole 4 months, there
was no-one to help you, no-one to visit, no friends, no relatives, no
social workers, no-one you could call etc etc, until the violins start
to play.

My only living relatives would have had to drive at least 80 miles.
The only friend who came to see me in hospital said he didn't want the
responsibility of sorting things out in my house. Since I retired my
contacts have faded away! The hospital did ask the social services to
help but the social worker who came to see me just filled in a form
and told me all about community care but that was not available while
I was in hospital.

Steve

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Norman Wells wrote:
Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article , Norman Wells wrote:
There are many cases where hospitals have moved from (expensive),
easy to get to, town centre locations to cheaper out of the way edge
of town locations which are only accessible by car.

I doubt if any hospital is really accessible only by car. In my
experience, there are _always_ bus routes serving them.

There are, but you have to find out where and when they run,

How dreadful!

and
unless you're very lucky the journey you actually need to make will
take at least three times as long as the same journey by car.

Why should the taxpayer pay for your convenience?

You really are a selfish arrogant *******.

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Scott wrote:

I would be less concerned about the cost than about having the correct
coinage to make payment.

It is undoubtedly an emotive subject - taxing the sick, taking money
from nurses on low wages etc.

With many credit and debit cards now having NFC chips in them machines
should be equipped for this method of payment. It would reduce costs of
emptying machines of coins.
--
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Norman Wells wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
Norman Wells wrote:

I can't help contrasting the charges with the 50p a week prisoners
pay for TV.

Yes, but it's all artifical in prison. A weeks work only brings in
about £8-10, out of which prisoners have to buy all their
necessities,
All necessities are provided. Human Rights legislation.

Yes, for some values of 'necessities'. Air and water are provided free,
as I understand it, and there's a hard crust of bread thrown in
occasionally too. Not things like shaving equipment or toothpaste though.
Anyone unable to pay for these would be given them. There's no way
anyone would go without a shave or clean teeth.

Bill

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Adrian wrote:
Norman Wells wrote:
Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article , Norman Wells wrote:
There are many cases where hospitals have moved from (expensive),
easy to get to, town centre locations to cheaper out of the way
edge of town locations which are only accessible by car.

I doubt if any hospital is really accessible only by car. In my
experience, there are _always_ bus routes serving them.

There are, but you have to find out where and when they run,

How dreadful!

and
unless you're very lucky the journey you actually need to make will
take at least three times as long as the same journey by car.

Why should the taxpayer pay for your convenience?

You really are a selfish arrogant *******.

Of course I am. But how does that answer the question?

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On 18/03/2012 22:08, Norman Wells wrote:

If you choose to live in an isolated village, you have to accept that
you won't have town centre levels of service. I bet there are several
other bus routes that serve the hospital though. Tough if you're not on
one. But really, you're only confirming what I said. If people are
unwilling to pay just the small amount the car park costs, there are
still ways of getting to hospital without using their own car, even if
it means misusing a charity such as your own.


Norman,

I live in a town of 50,000 people. The nearest hospital can deal with
some items, but isn't important enough to have a casualty unit. To get
to it I can either walk 1.3 miles total and use the train, or I can walk
half a mile and use 2 buses.

To get to the main hospital, which is in the next town but one, Google
recommends I walk to the station, get a train, then another train, then
a bus. Call it an hour and a half.

Or I could go to the one in the next health authority, which is easier
to get to. 1.4 miles of walking, and only one train. Under an hour, but
it wouldn't be the one they'd take me to.

Public transport isn't always a real option.

Andy