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David Paste wrote:

I very often do. In my experience, right-winginess goes hand-in-hand
with some form of oppression. Makes me angry!

In the context of modern western politics the right tends to believe
that government should interfere with people's lives as little as
possible. That's the opposite of oppression.

Bill

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In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
In the context of modern western politics the right tends to believe
that government should interfere with people's lives as little as
possible.

But, of course, complete ********. They just interfere in different ways.

That's the opposite of oppression.

It would be nice to know of any true right wing country where there isn't
oppression. Or perhaps you close your eyes when the TV news comes on?

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
In the context of modern western politics the right tends to believe
that government should interfere with people's lives as little as
possible.

But, of course, complete ********. They just interfere in different ways.
Compare the old USSR with the USA. State interference with peoples lives?


That's the opposite of oppression.

It would be nice to know of any true right wing country where there isn't
oppression. Or perhaps you close your eyes when the TV news comes on?
Compare the old USSR with the USA. Oppression?

Bill

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"David Paste" wrote in message
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On Dec 30, 12:42 am, "phil" wrote:

I didn't only focus on the negatives.

Ah yeah, I know, I just went off on a tangent. Sometime between
sitting down in front of the fire and opening the hooch.

By the way, although I hardly ever agree with them, I don't have any
problems with people who have right wing views;

I very often do. In my experience, right-winginess goes hand-in-hand
with some form of oppression. Makes me angry!

Agreed, and it makes me angry too, but I would defend their right to have
right wing views, even though I don't agree with the views.

'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it,' was the quote I was thinking of.

phil

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phil wrote:

'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it,' was the quote I was thinking of.

phil

So would you defend to the death Nick Griffin's right to say (were he to
say it) that black people were unwelcome in the UK?

So would you defend to the death Iranians who say that homosexuals
should be executed?

I thought not.

What tosh you talk.

Bill

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On Dec 30, 1:46*pm, Bill Wright wrote:
David Paste wrote:
I very often do. In my experience, right-winginess goes hand-in-hand
with some form of oppression. Makes me angry!

In the context of modern western politics the right tends to believe
that government should interfere with people's lives as little as
possible. That's the opposite of oppression.

Bill

I've seen that the right will always go for the cheapest option, and
damn the practicalities of the outcome, hence the church trying to get
involved with abortion issues, as they see it as a moral crusade, the
govt. are happy as it is cheap, and the person who matters - the woman
gets hassled. Not good.

Perhaps what you call 'the right' is what I might think of as
'libertarian'? I dunno. I think I know what you mean though - right as
in conservative, small government?

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On Dec 30, 5:59*pm, "phil" wrote:

Agreed, and it makes me angry too, but I would defend their right to have
right wing views, even though I don't agree with the views.

Well of course, but the real test comes when 'they' act on their views
- would anyone complain if I met their actions in an equal and
opposite way?

*'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it,' was the quote I was thinking of.

Ha ha! This has always made me laugh. I am more than happy for people
to have a view, and to express this view, but there's no f*cking way
I'd die for their right to do so! Mind you, I wouldn't expect anyone
to that for me either. I would be prepared to defend my own views
though.

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In article , phil
scribeth thus

"David Paste" wrote in message
...
On Dec 30, 12:42 am, "phil" wrote:

I didn't only focus on the negatives.

Ah yeah, I know, I just went off on a tangent. Sometime between
sitting down in front of the fire and opening the hooch.

By the way, although I hardly ever agree with them, I don't have any
problems with people who have right wing views;

I very often do. In my experience, right-winginess goes hand-in-hand
with some form of oppression. Makes me angry!

Agreed, and it makes me angry too, but I would defend their right to have
right wing views, even though I don't agree with the views.

'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it,' was the quote I was thinking of.

I always thought the one below was the more accurate of human
nature;!....

phil



--
Tony Sayer

Although I may disagree with what you say..

I will defend to the death your right to hear me tell you how wrong you are.

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David Paste wrote:
On Dec 30, 1:46 pm, Bill Wright wrote:
David Paste wrote:
I very often do. In my experience, right-winginess goes hand-in-hand
with some form of oppression. Makes me angry!
In the context of modern western politics the right tends to believe
that government should interfere with people's lives as little as
possible. That's the opposite of oppression.

Bill

I've seen that the right will always go for the cheapest option, and
damn the practicalities of the outcome, hence the church trying to get
involved with abortion issues, as they see it as a moral crusade, the
govt. are happy as it is cheap, and the person who matters - the woman
gets hassled. Not good.

Perhaps what you call 'the right' is what I might think of as
'libertarian'? I dunno. I think I know what you mean though - right as
in conservative, small government?
The labels 'right' and 'left' are not adequate to categorise all
political opinions. 'Right winger' and 'left winger' are not adequate to
categorise all people. Those who think for themselves are especially
likely to not fit into either category.

Bill

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In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
David Paste wrote:
On Dec 30, 1:46 pm, Bill Wright wrote:
David Paste wrote:
I very often do. In my experience, right-winginess goes hand-in-hand
with some form of oppression. Makes me angry!
In the context of modern western politics the right tends to believe
that government should interfere with people's lives as little as
possible. That's the opposite of oppression.

Bill

I've seen that the right will always go for the cheapest option, and
damn the practicalities of the outcome, hence the church trying to get
involved with abortion issues, as they see it as a moral crusade, the
govt. are happy as it is cheap, and the person who matters - the woman
gets hassled. Not good.

Perhaps what you call 'the right' is what I might think of as
'libertarian'? I dunno. I think I know what you mean though - right as
in conservative, small government?
The labels 'right' and 'left' are not adequate to categorise all
political opinions. 'Right winger' and 'left winger' are not adequate to
categorise all people.


Those who think for themselves are especially
likely to not fit into either category.

Bill

An astute observation Bill....

--
Tony Sayer