TOT problem with Word 2007
 

In article , Bill Wright
wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:


You'll have to explain that in terms a non-doze-user can follow.

It's a hell of a problem for you Jim, not using Windows like everybody
else.

Actually, what I do notice is how much Windows users complain about how it
and its apps treats them.

Must drive you mad.

Ah! *That* must be the reason. 8-]

Don't they have it in Scotland?

FWIW I've used doze on various occasions in the past. But only when there
was a specific reason, or no freedom of choice. Afraid I find it a PITA for
most purposes. So my my generally not using it is based on experience. I
lost count of how many different OS's I've used over the years. To my
taste, doze was the worst.

It suits me that others use it, though. As a result I have often been in
the situation where I could get computer based work done quicker and faster
than 'competitors' who used Windows. So I've never wanted to 'evangelise'
*too* much about RO or Linux. Never disturb your opponent when he is making
a mistake. :-) Nor expect to change their religion. ;-

If people prefer doze having genuinely tried alternatives, then that is
fine with me. Good luck to them. Not my job to argue. My only cavil tends
to be when they chose by default or were given no alternative by
imposition, on in ignorance of alternatives. But again, generally not my
concern. Except when I think public money is being wasted.

Overall, though, an OS/computer/app is just a tool. You choose the one that
suits you for how you want to do each task. A hammer is not a screwdriver,
even though you can insert screws with a hammer. So in my case that means
using two different totally different types of OS/computer each day for
different tasks which each suits best from my POV.

Slainte,

Jim

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TOT problem with Word 2007
 

In article , Ian Jackson
wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes
Jim Lesurf wrote:

You'll have to explain that in terms a non-doze-user can follow.

It's a hell of a problem for you Jim, not using Windows like everybody
else. Must drive you mad. Don't they have it in Scotland?

In the 1700s, didn't they introduce a Window Tax in Scotland, and, as a
result, many Scottish stately homes and castles have bricked-up
(stoned-up?) windows? Maybe it still exists, and so penny-pinching
computer users mistakenly think that they can save a few bawbees by
using alternative operating systems?

Well it is possible in principle to save money by not buying Windows and
using Linux instead. Alas, the cartel of most hardware makers and Microsoft
tend to make it hard to *not* pay for Windows simply to get the hardware.

Slainte,

Jim

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TOT problem with Word 2007
 

In article , Martin
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 06:00:49 -0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

In article , Tony sayer wrote:
Which strikes me as a very common problem now people either can't or
won't be bothered to learn anything about the S/W package they are
using they expect it to just work and read their minds re what they
want it to do!....

Ordinary mortals relate to *all* technology in this way. They just take
it for granted until it goes wrong or fails to do what they want, and
then they assume that it's somebody else's fault, and that they should
be entitled to "compensation" or somebody to fix it for nothing.

You don't have to be able to fly and maintain a jumbo jet to be a
passenger in one.

Indeed. And if someone else lends me their phone to make one call I may not
care what model they use if it works for the call. But I might want to know
more when considering buying a phone. Plus knowing how a phone works might
help me avoid being caught out by it not working in some situations.

Your comment does show that there are situations where many of us have to
rely on others. But that isn't necessarily the same as choosing to be no
more than a 'passenger' who remains wilfully ignorant about *every* choice
they make. Particularly if that lazy ignorance exposes us to exploitation
or manipulation for the profit of others.

So there are times when it may make more sense to understand more about the
magic boxes those nice engineers provide.

But I guess I should declare an interest. My career has generally been
based on 'exploiting' the ignorance of others. If they weren't, I wouldn't
have been employed to teach/explain/design/find out for them. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Martin wrote:
In article , Tony sayer wrote:
Which strikes me as a very common problem now people either can't or
won't be bothered to learn anything about the S/W package they are using
they expect it to just work and read their minds re what they want it to
do!....

Ordinary mortals relate to *all* technology in this way. They just take it
for granted until it goes wrong or fails to do what they want, and then
they assume that it's somebody else's fault, and that they should be
entitled to "compensation" or somebody to fix it for nothing.

You don't have to be able to fly and maintain a jumbo jet to be a
passenger in one.

True, but then you probably don't have your own jumbo jet and consequently
won't have the opportunity to do anything about its maintenance other than to
pay someone else to do it.

On the other hand, plenty of people do have their own cars, their own
internet-connected computers, their own central heating systems, their own
washing machines and so on. It's very much in their own financial interests to
know how to use and look after these things properly so they don't go wrong so
often, and at least a few basic things that can be done about it when they do.

Rod.
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In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:


You'll have to explain that in terms a non-doze-user can follow.

It's a hell of a problem for you Jim, not using Windows like everybody
else. Must drive you mad. Don't they have it in Scotland?

But then it's not Jim asking how to use a prog he's bought...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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TOT problem with Word 2007
 

In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes
Jim Lesurf wrote:

You'll have to explain that in terms a non-doze-user can follow.

It's a hell of a problem for you Jim, not using Windows like everybody
else. Must drive you mad. Don't they have it in Scotland?

In the 1700s, didn't they introduce a Window Tax in Scotland, and, as a
result, many Scottish stately homes and castles have bricked-up
(stoned-up?) windows? Maybe it still exists, and so penny-pinching
computer users mistakenly think that they can save a few bawbees by
using alternative operating systems?

Just in Scotland? Never seen bricked up windows elsewhere?

Ever wonder about the origins of the phrase 'daylight robbery'?
Here's some details:-

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/d...20robbery.html

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TOT problem with Word 2007
 

In article ,
Martin wrote:
Ordinary mortals relate to *all* technology in this way. They just take
it for granted until it goes wrong or fails to do what they want, and
then they assume that it's somebody else's fault, and that they should
be entitled to "compensation" or somebody to fix it for nothing.

You don't have to be able to fly and maintain a jumbo jet to be a
passenger in one.

So you don't need to know what the 'controls' do in Word to be able to use
it?

*Reading* a Word document would be more akin to being a passenger on a
flight.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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TOT problem with Word 2007
 

In article ,
Martin wrote:

There are people who are far too busy with other things, who don't have
time to wonder how computer things work. That's why they pay others to
do the worrying for them.

Although if they *did* understand how computer things worked, they might
have less worry and more time for other things. :-)

Without them there would be mass unemployment in the IT industry.

Yes. I've long tended to regard Microsoft products as an odd form of 'job
creation scheme' for the IT biz. Alas, in reality what it probably does is
suck available time and money away from where it might be better used.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Martin
wrote:
Ordinary mortals relate to *all* technology in this way. They just
take it for granted until it goes wrong or fails to do what they
want, and then they assume that it's somebody else's fault, and that
they should be entitled to "compensation" or somebody to fix it for
nothing.

You don't have to be able to fly and maintain a jumbo jet to be a
passenger in one.

So you don't need to know what the 'controls' do in Word to be able to
use it?

Given some of the printed 'reports' I've been given over the years by
students, etc, I fear many would assume so. But then I lost count of how
many hadn't even any awareness of page numbers or paragraph breaks, etc!

Slainte,

Jim

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On Wednesday, December 14th, 2011, at 10:33:55h +0000, Jim Lesurf observed:

in reality what it probably does is suck available time and money
away from where it might be better used.

A lot of capitalism is like that.

Advertising and marketing is one aspect eg Unilever spends far
more on that than research.

And have you heard of the patents "troll" industry?

http://www.npr.ORG/blogs/money/2011/07/26/138576167/when-patents-attack