TOT problem with Word 2007
 

On 09/12/2011 21:26, Bill Wright wrote:
I have two 730KB .doc files which won't let me delete or move them
because 'they are open in Word'. But I'm not running Word. Both claim to
be read-only files (so can only be saved to a different file name). But
in 'properties' they are not 'read-only', and making them so and then
changing back doesn't help.

Ideas anyone?

Bill

If all else fails, copy the files to a memory stick so you have a copy
for future use.

Get a linux live CD and boot into linux from the CD. Use the linux file
manager to find the word files, and delete them. (NB a linux live CD
can make a very useful rescue disk when you find you can't boot into
Windows.)

The other alternative is to take ownership of the files, as you may not
have permission to delete or change them - even if you are the only user
of the computer and have administrator status. You can do this from the
file properties | security tab, but it's a bit of a convoluted
procedure. It's much easier with a small registry hack (search for
"Take ownership" with Google). But have a word with your IT man first.

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TOT problem with Word 2007
 

On 11/12/2011 05:39, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/12/2011 01:31, Bill Wright wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
On 09/12/2011 21:26, Bill Wright wrote:
I have two 730KB .doc files which won't let me delete or move them
because 'they are open in Word'. But I'm not running Word. Both
claim to
be read-only files (so can only be saved to a different file name). But
in 'properties' they are not 'read-only', and making them so and then
changing back doesn't help.

Ideas anyone?

Sometimes word fails to exit properly and can leave a process running
even when you think it has been closed. Run task manager and look for
winword.exe in the process list. Click to select it and then click the
end process button if its there.

Pooter has been turned off several times since then, no winword.exe
running.


Secondly, look in the folder containing the file you want to open and
see if there is a word temporary file there with a similar name. If
there is, then delete that.
No there ain't.

Might be worth checking the file ownership permissions then. Open a
command prompt (type CMD into the Run box if necessary), go to the
directory with the file in question and type

CACLS filename

Compare the result to that of a file you can edit.

It may be that the non editable file is not read only, but your username
do not have permission to write to it.

(you can add it with "CACLS filename /G Everyone:F")



C:\cacls

NOTE: Cacls is now deprecated, please use Icacls. (Windows 7)

iCacls? Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

These are both new commands to me, I know a bit about tinkering with
DACLs in the GUI, wouldn't that have been a more accessible place to
point Bill?

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TOT problem with Word 2007
 

Graham. wrote...

wouldn't that have been a more accessible place to
point Bill?

IMO, the best and most accessible advice so far was given by Andy.

http://www.emptyloop.com/unlocker/

How often have you tried to delete or rename a file or folder and got
"Cannot delete xxx: It is being used by another person or program." ?

Unlocker is a tool which will help you overcoming this scandalous
windows bug.

Simply right click the file or folder and select Unlocker. If the file
or folder is locked then a window will appear with a list of processes
locking the file or folder. Select the locks and click Unlock and you
are done.



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TOT problem with Word 2007
 

On 11/12/2011 11:54, UnsteadyKen wrote:

Graham. wrote...

wouldn't that have been a more accessible place to point Bill?

IMO, the best and most accessible advice so far was given by Andy.

http://www.emptyloop.com/unlocker/

How often have you tried to delete or rename a file or folder and
got "Cannot delete xxx: It is being used by another person or
program." ?

Unlocker is a tool which will help you overcoming this scandalous
windows bug.

Simply right click the file or folder and select Unlocker. If the
file or folder is locked then a window will appear with a list of
processes locking the file or folder. Select the locks and click
Unlock and you are done.

http://files.brothersoft.com/interne...locker.9.1.exe
causes Eset to complain that it is a "variant of Win32/Toolbar.Babylon
potentially unwanted application".

Pete

TOT problem with Word 2007
 

On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:54:39 -0000, UnsteadyKen
wrote:

Unlocker is a tool which will help you overcoming this scandalous
windows bug.

In this case I think the bug is a facility. For example I use the
Windows API to lock files as my multithreaded applications are
processing them. If one thread is running and another wakes up there
has to be some sort of access control. As well as that if a user or
another application tries to delete or write to a file that is
currently locked Windows will correctly complain.

How would Unlocker cope with that?

Steve

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In article , Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:54:39 -0000, UnsteadyKen
wrote:

Unlocker is a tool which will help you overcoming this scandalous
windows bug.

In this case I think the bug is a facility. For example I use the
Windows API to lock files as my multithreaded applications are
processing them.

I presume it is called a 'bug' when the user *hasn't* deliberately chosen
to make the file 'undeletable' and finds it a PITA.

Can't comment beyond that as I have no idea why Bill's files became
'undeletable' without him setting that. And I don't use Windows[1], so
can't compare it with Linux, etc.

Slainte,

Jim

[1] Have done a few times in the past for specific purposes. But generally
don't bother with it.

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TOT problem with Word 2007
 

On 11/12/2011 10:42, Graham. wrote:
On 11/12/2011 05:39, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/12/2011 01:31, Bill Wright wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
On 09/12/2011 21:26, Bill Wright wrote:
I have two 730KB .doc files which won't let me delete or move them
because 'they are open in Word'. But I'm not running Word. Both
claim to
be read-only files (so can only be saved to a different file name).
But
in 'properties' they are not 'read-only', and making them so and then
changing back doesn't help.

Ideas anyone?

Sometimes word fails to exit properly and can leave a process running
even when you think it has been closed. Run task manager and look for
winword.exe in the process list. Click to select it and then click the
end process button if its there.

Pooter has been turned off several times since then, no winword.exe
running.


Secondly, look in the folder containing the file you want to open and
see if there is a word temporary file there with a similar name. If
there is, then delete that.
No there ain't.

Might be worth checking the file ownership permissions then. Open a
command prompt (type CMD into the Run box if necessary), go to the
directory with the file in question and type

CACLS filename

Compare the result to that of a file you can edit.

It may be that the non editable file is not read only, but your username
do not have permission to write to it.

(you can add it with "CACLS filename /G Everyone:F")



C:\cacls

NOTE: Cacls is now deprecated, please use Icacls. (Windows 7)

It is, although I don't know what OS Bill is running, and CALCS is still
there on win7 even if it refers you to icalcs some of the time...

iCacls? Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

These are both new commands to me, I know a bit about tinkering with
DACLs in the GUI, wouldn't that have been a more accessible place to
point Bill?

Sometimes "type this" is a far less verbose exercise than textually
navigating someone through a GUI.


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TOT problem with Word 2007
 

On 11/12/2011 15:16, tony sayer wrote:
Some say that Libre office is a bit better nowadays...

AFAIK not much in it as yet.

For the locked file - I use Sysinternals' Process Explorer (Sysinternals
is now owned by MS). If that shows nothing, check permissions in the
GUI before a reboot. I've never needed to go to open office or Linux
for this kind of problem.

From the description other-Andy's tool will be easier to use.

Andy

TOT problem with Word 2007
 

Pete Shew wrote...

http://files.brothersoft.com/interne...locker.9.1.exe
causes Eset to complain that it is a "variant of Win32/Toolbar.Babylon
potentially unwanted application".

Yes, just checked with http://www.virustotal.com/
and they say the same.
It would appear that the installer/wrapper (added by brothersoft) gives
the option to install the Bing Bar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_Bar

Just checked and the bing bar is not installed if option is unchecked on
installation.
I use the portable version which I got from the authors site a couple of
years ago, so didn't see this and hadn't realised that he was using
brothersoft to host his files.

Still worth a try though.

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http://www.btinternet.com/~unsteadyken/

TOT problem with Word 2007
 

In article , UnsteadyKen
writes

Pete Shew wrote...

http://files.brothersoft.com/interne...locker.9.1.exe
causes Eset to complain that it is a "variant of Win32/Toolbar.Babylon
potentially unwanted application".

Yes, just checked with http://www.virustotal.com/
and they say the same.
It would appear that the installer/wrapper (added by brothersoft) gives
the option to install the Bing Bar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_Bar

Just checked and the bing bar is not installed if option is unchecked on
installation.
I use the portable version which I got from the authors site a couple of
years ago, so didn't see this and hadn't realised that he was using
brothersoft to host his files.

Still worth a try though.

The program's reputation suffered badly a while back when the author
added some revenue generating toolbar/helper installs to the package
that were meant to be optional but were badly integrated and ended up
installing w/o permission. The author didn't handle the resulting flack
well or fix the problem promptly so negative publicity resulted.

From memory that was around version 1.8.7, now at 1.9.something I think
and problems are fixed. I still have the pre toolbar 1.8.5 and wouldn't
be without it, currently using the installer version for the integrated
right click functionality.

Should fix the o/p's prob in seconds.
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