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I just bought three basic DTT boxes from Currys, £20 each. Quite
impressed. Quick and easy install. I connected one to a feed which had both Emley and Crosspool on it and at the end it asked which region I wanted it to store, Yorkshire or South Yorkshire. A quick sensitivity test suggests that it will work from a mux at 30dBuV. Bill |
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
... I just bought three basic DTT boxes from Currys, £20 each. Quite impressed. Quick and easy install. I connected one to a feed which had both Emley and Crosspool on it and at the end it asked which region I wanted it to store, Yorkshire or South Yorkshire. A quick sensitivity test suggests that it will work from a mux at 30dBuV. Bill Here's one for you Bill. I was in Comet the other day and they have POS material (which they say is provided by DigitalUk) that says that people may loose BBC1 and BBC2 after they retune at DSO1. This is due to a change in the way that the BBC transmits the signal. Viewers should not worry however as it will be resolved at DSO2. Eh? -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:16:18 +0100, "Woody"
wrote: "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... I just bought three basic DTT boxes from Currys, £20 each. Quite impressed. Quick and easy install. I connected one to a feed which had both Emley and Crosspool on it and at the end it asked which region I wanted it to store, Yorkshire or South Yorkshire. A quick sensitivity test suggests that it will work from a mux at 30dBuV. Bill Here's one for you Bill. I was in Comet the other day and they have POS material (which they say is provided by DigitalUk) that says that people may loose BBC1 and BBC2 after they retune at DSO1. This is due to a change in the way that the BBC transmits the signal. Viewers should not worry however as it will be resolved at DSO2. Eh? Is this related to the change between 16QAM and 64QAM (I hope I've got those numbers correct)? Some boxes can handle 16QAM *or* 64QAM transmissions but not both simultaneously (some muxes on 16QAM and some on 64QAM). Some muxes will be on 64QAM after DS01 with the rest on 16QAM until DS02. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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Woody wrote:
Here's one for you Bill. I was in Comet the other day and they have POS material (which they say is provided by DigitalUk) that says that people may loose BBC1 and BBC2 after they retune at DSO1. This is due to a change in the way that the BBC transmits the signal. Viewers should not worry however as it will be resolved at DSO2. The whole thing is a morass of misinformation. However in Currys today I overheard a salesman giving a customer some perfectly accurate information about switchover. Bill |
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In article , Bill Wright wrote:
The whole thing is a morass of misinformation. However in Currys today I overheard a salesman giving a customer some perfectly accurate information about switchover. Even if you give the job to an infinite number of monkeys they're bound to get it right occasionally. Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
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Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article , Bill Wright wrote: The whole thing is a morass of misinformation. However in Currys today I overheard a salesman giving a customer some perfectly accurate information about switchover. Even if you give the job to an infinite number of monkeys they're bound to get it right occasionally. Rod. It was Saturday. His eyes both pointed the same way. He must have been a sixth former. Bill |
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message ... Roderick Stewart wrote: In article , Bill Wright wrote: The whole thing is a morass of misinformation. However in Currys today I overheard a salesman giving a customer some perfectly accurate information about switchover. Even if you give the job to an infinite number of monkeys they're bound to get it right occasionally. Rod. It was Saturday. His eyes both pointed the same way. He must have been a sixth former. Bill Do you know if these £20 boxes will display to a 4:3 set correctly as a sky box is capable of? I just bought a cheap box for the kitchen TV and its 4:3 letter box etc, 16:9 fills the screen with a stretch, not ideal. |
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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
... On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:16:18 +0100, "Woody" wrote: "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... I just bought three basic DTT boxes from Currys, £20 each. Quite impressed. Quick and easy install. I connected one to a feed which had both Emley and Crosspool on it and at the end it asked which region I wanted it to store, Yorkshire or South Yorkshire. A quick sensitivity test suggests that it will work from a mux at 30dBuV. Bill Here's one for you Bill. I was in Comet the other day and they have POS material (which they say is provided by DigitalUk) that says that people may loose BBC1 and BBC2 after they retune at DSO1. This is due to a change in the way that the BBC transmits the signal. Viewers should not worry however as it will be resolved at DSO2. Eh? Is this related to the change between 16QAM and 64QAM (I hope I've got those numbers correct)? Some boxes can handle 16QAM *or* 64QAM transmissions but not both simultaneously (some muxes on 16QAM and some on 64QAM). Some muxes will be on 64QAM after DS01 with the rest on 16QAM until DS02. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) If that is the case then how have people been watching DTTV until now? Are you saying that these are new boxes that will loose BBC1/2? Surely the change has been known long enough that any DTTV box bought in the last few years should be able to do 16QAM and 64QAM at the same time else it would be unfit for purpose under SOGA? The best bit is that there is nothing about this on the Digital UK web site! -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
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Woody wrote:
If that is the case then how have people been watching DTTV until now? Are you saying that these are new boxes that will loose BBC1/2? Surely the change has been known long enough that any DTTV box bought in the last few years should be able to do 16QAM and 64QAM at the same time else it would be unfit for purpose under SOGA? The problem is not a 16/64QAM thing, all pre DSO areas have had this mixed currency since Oct 2002. It's the 2k or 8k FFT issue. Some receivers still in use, (notably OnDigital boxes) cannot work at 8k. These will die at DSO, when the muxes change from 2 to 8k working. The best bit is that there is nothing about this on the Digital UK web site! Except there is ! :-) http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/21057/for_website_2K_only_models_ex_volumes_revised-Mar11.pdf -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
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On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:17:21 +0100, "Woody"
wrote: "Peter Duncanson" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:16:18 +0100, "Woody" wrote: "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... I just bought three basic DTT boxes from Currys, £20 each. Quite impressed. Quick and easy install. I connected one to a feed which had both Emley and Crosspool on it and at the end it asked which region I wanted it to store, Yorkshire or South Yorkshire. A quick sensitivity test suggests that it will work from a mux at 30dBuV. Bill Here's one for you Bill. I was in Comet the other day and they have POS material (which they say is provided by DigitalUk) that says that people may loose BBC1 and BBC2 after they retune at DSO1. This is due to a change in the way that the BBC transmits the signal. Viewers should not worry however as it will be resolved at DSO2. Eh? Is this related to the change between 16QAM and 64QAM (I hope I've got those numbers correct)? Some boxes can handle 16QAM *or* 64QAM transmissions but not both simultaneously (some muxes on 16QAM and some on 64QAM). Some muxes will be on 64QAM after DS01 with the rest on 16QAM until DS02. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) If that is the case then how have people been watching DTTV until now? Are you saying that these are new boxes that will loose BBC1/2? I'm scratching my head at the moment wondering if I've made a mistake. There is some characteristic of the transmissions which some boxes, such as the Humax 9200T, cannot handle simultaneously, meaning they will not work properly between DSO1 and DSO2. It's probably best to ignore my comments about 16QAM and 64QAM until I've checked. Surely the change has been known long enough that any DTTV box bought in the last few years should be able to do 16QAM and 64QAM at the same time else it would be unfit for purpose under SOGA? The best bit is that there is nothing about this on the Digital UK web site! -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 20:33:24 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote: Woody wrote: If that is the case then how have people been watching DTTV until now? Are you saying that these are new boxes that will loose BBC1/2? Surely the change has been known long enough that any DTTV box bought in the last few years should be able to do 16QAM and 64QAM at the same time else it would be unfit for purpose under SOGA? The problem is not a 16/64QAM thing, all pre DSO areas have had this mixed currency since Oct 2002. It's the 2k or 8k FFT issue. Some receivers still in use, (notably OnDigital boxes) cannot work at 8k. These will die at DSO, when the muxes change from 2 to 8k working. Thank you! That's saved me searching through years worth of saved messaged. The best bit is that there is nothing about this on the Digital UK web site! Except there is ! :-) http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/21057/for_website_2K_only_models_ex_volumes_revised-Mar11.pdf -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 20:57:43 +0100, Peter Duncanson
wrote: On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:17:21 +0100, "Woody" wrote: "Peter Duncanson" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:16:18 +0100, "Woody" wrote: "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... I just bought three basic DTT boxes from Currys, £20 each. Quite impressed. Quick and easy install. I connected one to a feed which had both Emley and Crosspool on it and at the end it asked which region I wanted it to store, Yorkshire or South Yorkshire. A quick sensitivity test suggests that it will work from a mux at 30dBuV. Bill Here's one for you Bill. I was in Comet the other day and they have POS material (which they say is provided by DigitalUk) that says that people may loose BBC1 and BBC2 after they retune at DSO1. This is due to a change in the way that the BBC transmits the signal. Viewers should not worry however as it will be resolved at DSO2. Eh? Is this related to the change between 16QAM and 64QAM (I hope I've got those numbers correct)? Some boxes can handle 16QAM *or* 64QAM transmissions but not both simultaneously (some muxes on 16QAM and some on 64QAM). Some muxes will be on 64QAM after DS01 with the rest on 16QAM until DS02. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) If that is the case then how have people been watching DTTV until now? Are you saying that these are new boxes that will loose BBC1/2? I'm scratching my head at the moment wondering if I've made a mistake. There is some characteristic of the transmissions which some boxes, such as the Humax 9200T, cannot handle simultaneously, meaning they will not work properly between DSO1 and DSO2. Mark Carver has just pointed out that it is the 2k & 8k mode difference. This is just one report of the effect with the PVR-9200T: http://www.avforums.com/forums/11418160-post5.html Since completion of dso here in the NorthWest the Humax PVR9200T works perfectly now all transmissions are using the 8K mode. The problems were caused by mixed transmissions on both 2K & 8K mode during the interim period between start & completion of switchover. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
... Woody wrote: If that is the case then how have people been watching DTTV until now? Are you saying that these are new boxes that will loose BBC1/2? Surely the change has been known long enough that any DTTV box bought in the last few years should be able to do 16QAM and 64QAM at the same time else it would be unfit for purpose under SOGA? The problem is not a 16/64QAM thing, all pre DSO areas have had this mixed currency since Oct 2002. It's the 2k or 8k FFT issue. Some receivers still in use, (notably OnDigital boxes) cannot work at 8k. These will die at DSO, when the muxes change from 2 to 8k working. The best bit is that there is nothing about this on the Digital UK web site! Except there is ! :-) http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/21057/for_website_2K_only_models_ex_volumes_revised-Mar11.pdf Sorry Mark, you've missed the point. What you are saying is that such users will loose DTTV at DSO. What DUK are saying is that some viewers may loose BBC1/2 at DSO1 but they will come back at DSO2 - which is patently impossible. -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
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Syd wrote:
Do you know if these £20 boxes will display to a 4:3 set correctly as a sky box is capable of? I just bought a cheap box for the kitchen TV and its 4:3 letter box etc, 16:9 fills the screen with a stretch, not ideal. These Currys ones will. Oddly the default seems to be 4:3 and the result looks fine. They run a bit warm but the PSU is inside and the thing is very small. Bill |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 20:57:43 +0100, Peter Duncanson
wrote: I'm scratching my head at the moment wondering if I've made a mistake. There is some characteristic of the transmissions which some boxes, such as the Humax 9200T, cannot handle simultaneously, meaning they will not work properly between DSO1 and DSO2. Mine worked fine (well, as well as it ever does, which is not very well) between DSO1 and DSO2. |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 20:33:24 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote: It's the 2k or 8k FFT issue. Some receivers still in use, (notably OnDigital boxes) cannot work at 8k. These will die at DSO, when the muxes change from 2 to 8k working. The best bit is that there is nothing about this on the Digital UK web site! Except there is ! :-) http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/21057/for_website_2K_only_models_ex_volumes_revised-Mar11.pdf I'm currenly puzzling over a Panasonic TX-28DTX1 TV which is allegedly 8k capable, is on the latest firmware (2.48), but resolutely refuses to see any 8k multiplex. Only thing it is now receiving is SDN/Mux A and that goes away on 12th October. Anyone got any thoughts? Panasonic were no help (when I could eventually get through to them after their stupid call centre kept disconnecting my calls all day - "we are experiencing a very high volume of calls... goodbye" type of message). |
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On Sep 4, 6:56*pm, "Syd" wrote:
Do you know if these £20 boxes will display to a 4:3 set correctly as a sky box is capable of? I just bought a cheap box for the kitchen TV and its 4:3 letter box etc, 16:9 fills the screen with a stretch, not ideal. On some current cheap boxes, the only two _menu_ options are 4x3 TV with deep letterbox, or 16x9 TV anamorphic - BUT if you select 4x3 mode, then prodding the "WIDE" button (or similar) on the remote will cycle through 4x3 centre cut and 14x9 shallow letterbox too. Hope that helps. Cheers, David. |
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message ... Syd wrote: Do you know if these £20 boxes will display to a 4:3 set correctly as a sky box is capable of? I just bought a cheap box for the kitchen TV and its 4:3 letter box etc, 16:9 fills the screen with a stretch, not ideal. These Currys ones will. Oddly the default seems to be 4:3 and the result looks fine. They run a bit warm but the PSU is inside and the thing is very small. Bill Sounds good, cant tell online, does it have RF thro (for the sky tv link)? |
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Bill Wright wrote:
I just bought three basic DTT boxes from Currys, £20 each. Quite impressed. Quick and easy install. I connected one to a feed which had both Emley and Crosspool on it and at the end it asked which region I wanted it to store, Yorkshire or South Yorkshire. A quick sensitivity test suggests that it will work from a mux at 30dBuV. Bill Nothing to do with Currys but for anyone with access to them Makro are doing the Grundig HD freeview box for 25 quid - down from their previous price of 80+ and the Sharp HD Freeview box for 35 quid down from 79. Don't know [yet] what the performance is like but the price seems good. -- David Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com |
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"David Kennedy" wrote in message o.uk... Nothing to do with Currys but for anyone with access to them Makro are doing the Grundig HD freeview box for 25 quid - down from their previous price of 80+ and the Sharp HD Freeview box for 35 quid down from 79. Don't know [yet] what the performance is like but the price seems good. I suppose as usual VAT as to be added? Regards David |
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David wrote:
"David Kennedy" wrote in message o.uk... Nothing to do with Currys but for anyone with access to them Makro are doing the Grundig HD freeview box for 25 quid - down from their previous price of 80+ and the Sharp HD Freeview box for 35 quid down from 79. Don't know [yet] what the performance is like but the price seems good. I suppose as usual VAT as to be added? Certainly. Always need watching Makro prices as many, once you add vat, are not such bargains as they seem at first unless you can claim it back. Still cheaper though for the Grundig as the best price I could find was 38 quid on ebay [+p&p] -- David Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com |
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On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:05:41 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: Oh my gawd, how can this country make something so simple into something so complicated? Eton, Harrow, Oxbridge . . . |
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Syd wrote:
Sounds good, cant tell online, does it have RF thro (for the sky tv link)? Yes but no modulator. Bill |
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David Kennedy wrote:
Nothing to do with Currys but for anyone with access to them Makro are doing the Grundig HD freeview box for 25 quid - down from their previous price of 80+ and the Sharp HD Freeview box for 35 quid down from 79. Don't know [yet] what the performance is like but the price seems good. That sounds good. I like to have one or two boxes in the van just to help out the old buggers who can't or won't buy their own, but really they ought to be HD these days. Bill |
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David Kennedy wrote:
I suppose as usual VAT as to be added? Certainly. Always need watching Makro prices as many, once you add vat, are not such bargains as they seem at first unless you can claim it back. You would claim the VAT back no matter where you bought the item (assuming they were VAT registered), so the 'baragin' aspect doesn't change. Bill |
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Bill Wright wrote:
David Kennedy wrote: I suppose as usual VAT as to be added? Certainly. Always need watching Makro prices as many, once you add vat, are not such bargains as they seem at first unless you can claim it back. You would claim the VAT back no matter where you bought the item (assuming they were VAT registered) The point being that most people aren't. -- David Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com |
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Bill Wright wrote:
David Kennedy wrote: Nothing to do with Currys but for anyone with access to them Makro are doing the Grundig HD freeview box for 25 quid - down from their previous price of 80+ and the Sharp HD Freeview box for 35 quid down from 79. Don't know [yet] what the performance is like but the price seems good. That sounds good. I like to have one or two boxes in the van just to help out the old buggers who can't or won't buy their own, but really they ought to be HD these days. I got 3 while I was there at the weekend, they were going fast although they had a sizeable stock of both. -- David Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com |
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In article ,
David Kennedy wrote: Certainly. Always need watching Makro prices as many, once you add vat, are not such bargains as they seem at first unless you can claim it back. You would claim the VAT back no matter where you bought the item (assuming they were VAT registered) The point being that most people aren't. I think Bill's point is that it doesn't make any difference (to whether it's a bargain or not) that you can or can't claim VAT back. If you are registered, then you can claim it back wherever you bought it. If you aren't, you can't claim it back wherever you bought it. A price that only looks cheap because it doesn't include VAT is just as bad regardless of your VAT status. -- Richard |
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David Kennedy wrote:
Bill Wright wrote: David Kennedy wrote: I suppose as usual VAT as to be added? Certainly. Always need watching Makro prices as many, once you add vat, are not such bargains as they seem at first unless you can claim it back. You would claim the VAT back no matter where you bought the item (assuming they were VAT registered) The point being that most people aren't. Not Makro customers. Bill |
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Richard Tobin wrote:
You would claim the VAT back no matter where you bought the item (assuming they were VAT registered) The point being that most people aren't. I think Bill's point is that it doesn't make any difference (to whether it's a bargain or not) that you can or can't claim VAT back. If you are registered, then you can claim it back wherever you bought it. If you aren't, you can't claim it back wherever you bought it. A price that only looks cheap because it doesn't include VAT is just as bad regardless of your VAT status. -- Richard I'm glad you explained that. Bill |
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Richard Tobin wrote:
In [email protected] w.co.uk, David wrote: Certainly. Always need watching Makro prices as many, once you add vat, are not such bargains as they seem at first unless you can claim it back. You would claim the VAT back no matter where you bought the item (assuming they were VAT registered) The point being that most people aren't. I think Bill's point is that it doesn't make any difference (to whether it's a bargain or not) that you can or can't claim VAT back. If you are registered, then you can claim it back wherever you bought it. If you aren't, you can't claim it back wherever you bought it. A price that only looks cheap because it doesn't include VAT is just as bad regardless of your VAT status. -- Richard Agreed but most people just look at the headline price and, most people aren't vat registered. -- David Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com |
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Bill Wright wrote:
David Kennedy wrote: Bill Wright wrote: David Kennedy wrote: I suppose as usual VAT as to be added? Certainly. Always need watching Makro prices as many, once you add vat, are not such bargains as they seem at first unless you can claim it back. You would claim the VAT back no matter where you bought the item (assuming they were VAT registered) The point being that most people aren't. Not Makro customers. Bill Or vat registered. -- David Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com |
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On 03/09/2011 19:23, Bill Wright wrote:
I just bought three basic DTT boxes from Currys, £20 each. Quite impressed. Quick and easy install. I connected one to a feed which had both Emley and Crosspool on it and at the end it asked which region I wanted it to store, Yorkshire or South Yorkshire. A quick sensitivity test suggests that it will work from a mux at 30dBuV. Bill Got any details of the model please Bill? At £20 a pop they might be worth a go for a bedroom system. Cheers Clem |
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Clem Dye wrote:
On 03/09/2011 19:23, Bill Wright wrote: I just bought three basic DTT boxes from Currys, £20 each. Quite impressed. Quick and easy install. I connected one to a feed which had both Emley and Crosspool on it and at the end it asked which region I wanted it to store, Yorkshire or South Yorkshire. A quick sensitivity test suggests that it will work from a mux at 30dBuV. Bill Got any details of the model please Bill? At £20 a pop they might be worth a go for a bedroom system. Cheers Clem Offhand no, but it was the only one in Currys at that price. Black, rounded, and only about 5" wide. Incidentally they had a barrow load of them at Parkgate, but some of the boxes felt light and had obviously been opened. Some had a security wrap and they were obviously OK, but some didn't have it and some of those were light. It is Rotherham though. The place is teeming with tea leaves. Bill |
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On 06/09/2011 20:43, Bill Wright wrote:
Clem Dye wrote: On 03/09/2011 19:23, Bill Wright wrote: I just bought three basic DTT boxes from Currys, £20 each. Quite impressed. Quick and easy install. I connected one to a feed which had both Emley and Crosspool on it and at the end it asked which region I wanted it to store, Yorkshire or South Yorkshire. A quick sensitivity test suggests that it will work from a mux at 30dBuV. Bill Got any details of the model please Bill? At £20 a pop they might be worth a go for a bedroom system. Cheers Clem Offhand no, but it was the only one in Currys at that price. Black, rounded, and only about 5" wide. Incidentally they had a barrow load of them at Parkgate, but some of the boxes felt light and had obviously been opened. Some had a security wrap and they were obviously OK, but some didn't have it and some of those were light. It is Rotherham though. The place is teeming with tea leaves. Bill Cheers. Is Rotherham really that bad? Clem |
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Clem Dye wrote:
Cheers. Is Rotherham really that bad? Just had all the coax taken off the front of a sheltered block. It will be several days' work to put it back. Bill |
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