Watching TV on a display that small is no longer considered a "group
experience" It wasn't that long ago that a 19-20" was considered to be a
living room size set.

Not everyone wants a "group experience." Many people simply want an excellent
TV so they can watch it in the kitchen or in a small bedroom by themselves.

"Matthew L. Martin" wrote:

Joe Moore wrote:
"Curmudgeon" wrote:


True HD isn't practical below a certain size....not in standard direct view
sets with shadow masks. You just can't pack 2 million pixels (or 1 million
for that matter) into such small spaces when so much real estate is taken up
by the mask.


Most 19 inch CRT computer monitors can display at 1600 by 1200 or
1.92 million pixels. What am I overlooking?

Watching TV on a display that small is no longer considered a "group
experience" It wasn't that long ago that a 19-20" was considered to be a
living room size set.

I was addressing the practicality of HDTV on a small CRT, not the
desirability. I was just saying that if it's possible to produce a 19
inch CRT computer monitor which displays 1600 by 1200, then there is
no technical reason why a 23 inch CRT HDTV would be impractical. Which
is what the original poster was asking about.

Whether the market for such a set would be big enough to make
producing it worthwhile is another issue.



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"nixjunk" wrote in message
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True HD isn't practical below a certain size....not in standard
direct view sets with shadow masks. You just can't pack 2 million
pixels (or 1 million for that matter) into such small spaces when
so much real estate is taken up by the mask.

Just make the mask smaller :) Sony has a smaller aperture grill so why not
a
smaller mask?

Right. Computer monitors with shadow masks do this all the time.

Bert Hyman wrote in message ...
Yes, I'm asking you to predict the future. Yes, I know it's probably
a silly question, but still ...

The area we have allocated for a TV set will accomodate a box the
size of a conventional 23" TV set (if such a thing exists. Bigger
than a 20" and smaller than a 25" anyway). The space will never get
any bigger.

Flat panel LCDs are very nice at that size, but costly. They should
come down slightly.

Another idea is to simply use a regular 4:3 TV fed by component or
S-Video cables. You can display HD TV on an SD TV with no problem (it
looks a little squished, but once you get used to it...) The benefit
is that SD channels look as they should.

I have a 10 year old 27" TV upstairs that performs better than my 47"
HD downstairs on SD. HD is acceptable, just smaller and slightly
squished.

I think that for sizes less than 27" (other than LCD or plasma), just
get a regular SD (CRT) TV.

Bert,

Well I'm curious why you've allocated a specific size space? Have your
puchased an entertainment center that allows for a specific size?

The first thing you should know about HDTV is that its native format
is not as square shape as SDTV (Standard Definiition TV, NTSC). SDTV
is 4:3, HDTV is actually broadcast in widescreen format (16:9). This
is why you see so many widescreen HDTVs being sold, it's the native
format and an HDTV broadcast will fill out the entire screen. Another
benefit of a widescreen HDTV is that all DVD players have a 16:9
output option and many movies are formated in 1:85:1 (Academy Flat)
widescreen, in which case the movie will fill out the widescreen with
no black bars.

Now you can buy a 4:3 (non widescreen) HDTVs but the result is you'll
be watching everything HD with black bars at the top and bottom. As
more HD content becomes available, eventually it will get to a point
where you're only using 23 inches of your 27" HDTV, the black bars
will also cause burn-in.

Now assuming you know all this and you still demand a 4:3 HDTV that
will meet your requirements, your best bet is an LCD display. Look at
the 20" Sanyo CLT2054. This display is actually "EDTV", but with
anything that small it's not going to make much difference if it's
EDTV or HDTV, unless youy're going to be sitting less than 3' from the
screen. Walmart carries this model for around $700. If you had just a
tad more, there is a 32" Sanyo DS32830H which is a direct-view (tube)
HDTV with integrated HDTV tunner, it goes for around $600 if you can
find it.







Bert Hyman wrote in message ...
Yes, I'm asking you to predict the future. Yes, I know it's probably
a silly question, but still ...

The area we have allocated for a TV set will accomodate a box the
size of a conventional 23" TV set (if such a thing exists. Bigger
than a 20" and smaller than a 25" anyway). The space will never get
any bigger.

The flat-panel HD monitors of that size currently on the market are
priced from about $2K and up. I don't see any CRT-based monitors like
that at all.

So, what are the chances for something of my desired size, but less
than, say, $500 in the next few years?

I was addressing the practicality of HDTV on a small CRT, not the
desirability. I was just saying that if it's possible to produce a 19
inch CRT computer monitor which displays 1600 by 1200, then there is
no technical reason why a 23 inch CRT HDTV would be impractical. Which
is what the original poster was asking about.

Whether the market for such a set would be big enough to make
producing it worthwhile is another issue.


Of course there would be, just as there is for current small TVsl. Plenty of
people have small TVs in their kitchens, garages, extra rooms, etc.

Now assuming you know all this and you still demand a 4:3 HDTV that
will meet your requirements, your best bet is an LCD display. Look at
the 20" Sanyo CLT2054. This display is actually "EDTV", but with
anything that small it's not going to make much difference if it's
EDTV or HDTV, unless youy're going to be sitting less than 3' from the
screen. Walmart carries this model for around $700. If you had just a
tad more, there is a 32" Sanyo DS32830H which is a direct-view (tube)
HDTV with integrated HDTV tunner, it goes for around $600 if you can
find it.



The current LCDs all look terrible. The same way an LCD looks with a PC when
not operating at its native resolution. Very blurry.