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On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:14:59 +0100, Rick wrote:

Well at least this kind of nonsense takes people's attention away from
none important issues, such as the world still tethering on the brink of
economic meltdown, looming national strikes, leaking radiation, Libya,
etc...

"An enormous solar flare expected to hit Britain could blow out the
national grid leaving the entire country without electricity, scientists
have warned."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2005503/Incoming-solar-flare-blow-national-grid-leave-Britain-electricity.htm


No this is nonsense

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-n...r-Plant-report

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:14:59 +0100, Rick wrote:

Well at least this kind of nonsense takes people's attention away from
none important issues, such as the world still tethering on the brink of
economic meltdown, looming national strikes, leaking radiation, Libya,
etc...

"An enormous solar flare expected to hit Britain could blow out the
national grid leaving the entire country without electricity, scientists
have warned."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2005503/Incoming-solar-flare-blow-national-grid-leave-Britain-electricity.htm


No this is nonsense

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-n...r-Plant-report




Also, "Japan Strains to Fix a Reactor Damaged 'Before' Quake".

"Let's say they make this fix, which is very complicated," Mr. Ban said.
"The rest of the reactor remains highly dangerous. And an accident at Monju
would have catastrophic consequences beyond what we are seeing at
Fukushima."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/18/world/asia/18japan.html?ref=world

'Tepco Halts Filtering of Tainted Water at Japanese Plant..

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/world/asia/19tepco.html?hp

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On Jun 19, 10:17*pm, madge
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:14:59 +0100, Rick wrote:
Well at least this kind of nonsense takes people's attention away from *
none important issues, such as the world still tethering on the brink of *
economic meltdown, looming national strikes, leaking radiation, Libya, *
etc...


http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-n...ish-online/Int...

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Funny how we've not heard about this on the "accurate and impartial"
BBC, seems if one of Uncle Sam's reactors nearly melts down it's not a
problem, while the rest of the world isn't allowed to have nuclear
power, and therefore independence from US oil & gas, because it's "too
dangerous".

From the Pakistan's 'The Nation' newspaper, in the link above:

A shocking report prepared by Russia’s Federal Atomic Energy Agency
(FAAE) on information provided to them by the International Atomic
Energy Agency (IAEA) states that the Obama regime has ordered a “total
and complete” news blackout relating to any information regarding the
near catastrophic meltdown of the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant
located in Nebraska.
According to this report, the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant suffered a
“catastrophic loss of cooling” to one of its idle spent fuel rod pools
on 7 June after this plant was deluged with water caused by the
historic flooding of the Missouri River which resulted in a fire
causing the Federal Aviation Agency (FAA) to issue a “no-fly ban” over
the area.

The plant caught fire after being ... "deluged with water"! Just how
****ing incompetent can you get, water has a tendency to put fires
out, unless you're handling certain particularly nasty chemicals.

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"alexander.keys1" wrote in message
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On Jun 19, 10:17 pm, madge
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:14:59 +0100, Rick wrote:
Well at least this kind of nonsense takes people's attention away from
none important issues, such as the world still tethering on the brink
of
economic meltdown, looming national strikes, leaking radiation, Libya,
etc...


http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-n...ish-online/Int...

--

Funny how we've not heard about this on the "accurate and impartial"
BBC, seems if one of Uncle Sam's reactors nearly melts down it's not a
problem, while the rest of the world isn't allowed to have nuclear
power, and therefore independence from US oil & gas, because it's "too
dangerous".

From the Pakistan's 'The Nation' newspaper, in the link above:

A shocking report prepared by Russia's Federal Atomic Energy Agency
(FAAE) on information provided to them by the International Atomic
Energy Agency (IAEA) states that the Obama regime has ordered a "total
and complete" news blackout relating to any information regarding the
near catastrophic meltdown of the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant
located in Nebraska.
According to this report, the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant suffered a
"catastrophic loss of cooling" to one of its idle spent fuel rod pools
on 7 June after this plant was deluged with water caused by the
historic flooding of the Missouri River which resulted in a fire
causing the Federal Aviation Agency (FAA) to issue a "no-fly ban" over
the area.

The plant caught fire after being ... "deluged with water"! Just how
****ing incompetent can you get, water has a tendency to put fires
out, unless you're handling certain particularly nasty chemicals.


Just count all the mishaps we've had and are still having with reactors,
many of them past their planned sell by date, simply because even wealthy
first world countries can't afford the cost of decommissioning, a situation
I don't see becoming any easier for at least quite a while.
There are now around 450 reactors around the world, fortunately in mainly
responsible and reasonably stable first world countries, however if a major
number of developing nations decide to go for the nuclear option, then we
could see numbers climbing into the thousands (a while ago Indonesia was
talking about constructing about 30) which without doubt we'll see many of
them situated in dysfunctional countries which will dissolve into social and
economic chaos long before the decommissioning life of any reactors, I
shudder to think who is going to take responsibility for clearing up the
calamities and accumulated mess over the coming decades.

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 04:59:54 -0700 (PDT), "alexander.keys1"
wrote:

On Jun 19, 10:17Â*pm, madge
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:14:59 +0100, Rick wrote:
Well at least this kind of nonsense takes people's attention away from Â*
none important issues, such as the world still tethering on the brink of Â*
economic meltdown, looming national strikes, leaking radiation, Libya, Â*
etc...


http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-n...ish-online/Int...

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Funny how we've not heard about this on the "accurate and impartial"
BBC, seems if one of Uncle Sam's reactors nearly melts down it's not a
problem, while the rest of the world isn't allowed to have nuclear
power, and therefore independence from US oil & gas, because it's "too
dangerous".
There are many many things happening in the world that are not reported
by the BBC and other news organisations. The BBC will not have a
specialist reporter who can collect information and talk sensibly about
a nuclear reactor in trouble in the US. They, like other news
organisations, use media relaeases from official sources and interview
local people. If there are no media releases and the local people have
nothing useful to say then they can't report.

Limited information is coming out of the US.

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission reported an incident at Fort Calhoun
on 7 June 2011
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-co...n.html#en46932


FIRE IN THE WEST SWITCHGEAR ROOM

"At 0940 CDT an alert (HA 2, EAL 1) for operating Mode less than 210
degrees F [was] declared for a fire affecting the operability of
plant safety systems required to establish or maintain safe
shutdown. Time of fire was 0930 CDT. Control room received multiple
alarms [and] 480 V bus 1B4A amps were observed to be oscillating.
Bus 1B4A was secured [and] buses 1B3A and 1B3A-4A were lost. Halon
activated properly. [At] 0956 CDT all notifications to applicable
personnel were completed. At 1000 CDT 4160v buses 1A2 / 1A4 were
secured to facilitate fire fighting. Spent fuel pool cooling was
lost [as a result of the de-energized busses and the licensee]
entered AOP-36 for loss of SFP cooling. Heat up rate [was]
determined by STA. Current time to boil for SFP is 88.3 hrs. Spent
fuel pool cooling is currently back in service. This condition is
being reported pursuant to 10 CFR 50.72(a)(1)(i) for declaration of
an emergency class specified in the licensee's approved emergency
plan."

Plant was in AOP-1 for flood mitigation. The fire is not believed to
be flood related. Plant remains in AOP-1.

More on that event:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-nuclear-plant

Electrical Fire Knocks Out Spent Fuel Cooling at Nebraska Nuclear
Plant

June 9, 2011

Fort Calhoun's single reactor has been shut down since April for
refueling. The plant had already been operating under a heightened
level of alert because of nearby flooding on the Missouri River, the
NRC said. The cause of the fire remained under investigation this
morning.

This US source criticizes the US media's handling of the situation:
http://www.thebulletin.org/web-editi...ing-journalism

Rising water, falling journalism
By Dawn Stover | 16 June 2011

[Outline of the event]

Failure of the fourth estate. Newspapers and websites all over the
country have reported on the flooding and fire at Fort Calhoun, but
most articles simply paraphrase and regurgitate information from the
NRC and OPPD press releases, which aggregators and bloggers then, in
turn, simply cut and paste. Even the Omaha World-Herald didn't send
local reporters to cover the story; instead, the newspaper published
an article on the recent fire written by Associated Press reporters
-- based in Atlanta and Washington.

Unsurprisingly, much of the information in recent press reports has
lacked context. For example:

interesting comments snipped

In the absence of in-depth professional reporting on the situation
at Fort Calhoun, OPPD (Omaha Public Power District) created a web
page to respond to the flurry of rumors flying around the Internet.
One rumor concerns the no-fly zone ordered by the FAA on June 6,
which extends two miles around, and 3,500 feet above, the nuclear
plant. Contrary to rumor, the no-fly zone has nothing to do with a
radioactivity release. But OPPD's rumor-control page neglects to
mention that the utility requested the zone, ostensibly because of
work being done on overhead power lines but also because of
undisclosed "security reasons." An OPPD spokesperson said that the
utility is worried about news helicopters flying low over the plant.

Greater government and industry transparency can give citizens and
reporters a better understanding of what's happening at the nation's
nuclear power plants, and help prevent rumors from dominating the
airwaves. Nonprofit organizations such as the Bulletin can help fill
today's information gap. But local reporting ultimately relies on
readers and advertisers who are willing to support it. Meanwhile, in
the absence of reliable information, my dad continues his evening
walks to the levee and peers into the rising water to judge for
himself.


From the Pakistan's 'The Nation' newspaper, in the link above:

The report in 'The Nation' may not be accurate. It could be exaggerated.
We have to remember that relations between Pakistan and the US are
"difficult" at the moment because of the invasion of that country by US
forces to remove Osama bin Laden.


A shocking report prepared by Russia’s Federal Atomic Energy Agency
(FAAE) on information provided to them by the International Atomic
Energy Agency (IAEA) states that the Obama regime has ordered a “total
and complete� news blackout relating to any information regarding the
near catastrophic meltdown of the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant
located in Nebraska.
According to this report, the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant suffered a
“catastrophic loss of cooling� to one of its idle spent fuel rod pools
on 7 June after this plant was deluged with water caused by the
historic flooding of the Missouri River which resulted in a fire
causing the Federal Aviation Agency (FAA) to issue a “no-fly ban� over
the area.

The plant caught fire after being ... "deluged with water"! Just how
****ing incompetent can you get, water has a tendency to put fires
out, unless you're handling certain particularly nasty chemicals.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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Peter Duncanson wrote:

There are many many things happening in the world that are not reported
by the BBC and other news organisations. The BBC will not have a
specialist reporter who can collect information and talk sensibly about
a nuclear reactor in trouble in the US.
They don't have to be staff. There are plenty of experts who could be
wheeled into studio.

They, like other news
organisations, use media relaeases from official sources and interview
local people. If there are no media releases and the local people have
nothing useful to say then they can't report.
No such thing as investigative journalism then?

Bill

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:55:49 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

Peter Duncanson wrote:

There are many many things happening in the world that are not reported
by the BBC and other news organisations. The BBC will not have a
specialist reporter who can collect information and talk sensibly about
a nuclear reactor in trouble in the US.
They don't have to be staff. There are plenty of experts who could be
wheeled into studio.

They, like other news
organisations, use media relaeases from official sources and interview
local people. If there are no media releases and the local people have
nothing useful to say then they can't report.
No such thing as investigative journalism then?

Actually, most of the time, No.

Last winter we had a problem with water supplies here in Northern
Ireland. Unusually low temperatures for a prolonged time followed by a
sudden increase in temperature led to many burst pipes in the supply
system and particularly on customer premises. The engineers employed by
and under contract to the supply company did a good job of repairing the
damage. However the "customer services" department of the supplier was
totally overwhelmed. They did not know what was going on and customers
had great difficulty phoning for information.

The local papers were working themselves into a frenzy because they
could not get useful press releases from the supply company. I did think
of writing to one of the local papers suggesting that they should
collect the information themselves. All they would have needed to do
would be to ask their readers to tell them what was going on. However, a
newspaper office could not handle the tens of thousands of emails they
would have received and their phone system would have been jammed.

The situation just emphasised the extent to which the news media suck on
the teats of the press offices of public and private organisations.

--
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(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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Peter Duncanson wrote:

The situation just emphasised the extent to which the news media suck on
the teats of the press offices of public and private organisations.

This is true. Hence trade and techy-punter mags print press handouts
verbatim as news items, including some utterly absurd technical claims.
There was a recent one for a set-top aerial and the balderdash would
have done credit to the most creatively minded sales employee of an
electrical superstore.

Bill

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On Monday, June 20th, 2011 at 16:39:48h +0100, Peter Duncanson wrote:

The situation just emphasised the extent to which the news media suck on
the teats of the press offices of public and private organisations.

In other words, lazy journalists and/or journalists who do not have
enough time because of the staff cuts and hence all of their additional
non-news gathering duties, to do real news gathering.

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J G Miller wrote:
On Monday, June 20th, 2011 at 16:39:48h +0100, Peter Duncanson wrote:

The situation just emphasised the extent to which the news media suck on
the teats of the press offices of public and private organisations.

In other words, lazy journalists and/or journalists who do not have
enough time because of the staff cuts and hence all of their additional
non-news gathering duties, to do real news gathering.


Lazy and staff cuts?

Presumably you help the news people by signing up for every pay service
you can find? Or do you expect all this for free?

--
AC

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On 20/06/2011 12:59, alexander.keys1 wrote:
Funny how we've not heard about this on the "accurate and impartial"
BBC, seems if one of Uncle Sam's reactors nearly melts down it's not a
problem,

Melts down? I've just done a bit of googling. It looks as though they
had a fire in an electrical switchboard, and had to shut down some pumps
for an hour. 'Time to boil' for the pond affected was estimated at 88.3
hours. So they had an 87.3 hour safety margin.

And the no-fly zone was to stop the news helicopters from getting in the
way.

This was BTW largely garnered from US publicly available media.

Andy

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On Monday, June 20th, 2011 at 17:34:07h +0100, AC asked:

Or do you expect all this for free?

I pay for the service every time I buy a product from a manufacturer
who sponsors or buys commercial air time on the station providing
the news program.

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:06:10 +0100, Andy Champ
wrote:

On 20/06/2011 12:59, alexander.keys1 wrote:
Funny how we've not heard about this on the "accurate and impartial"
BBC, seems if one of Uncle Sam's reactors nearly melts down it's not a
problem,

Melts down? I've just done a bit of googling. It looks as though they
had a fire in an electrical switchboard, and had to shut down some pumps
for an hour. 'Time to boil' for the pond affected was estimated at 88.3
hours. So they had an 87.3 hour safety margin.

And the no-fly zone was to stop the news helicopters from getting in the
way.

This was BTW largely garnered from US publicly available media.


News releases from the utility that operates the power station, Omaha
Public Power District, in reverse date order:
http://www.oppd.com/AboutUs/NewsEven...#action_061611

Extracts in date order:

Joint Information Center Activated, News Release No. 1
June 7, 2011

An Alert has been declared at Omaha Public Power District’s Fort
Calhoun Nuclear Station. An Alert is the second-lowest of four
classifications established by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission for
nuclear power plants.

Due to the declaration, the OPPD has activated the Joint Information
Center in order to provide information to the media. The center is
located on the atrium level of Energy Plaza, 444 South l6th Street
Mall, in downtown Omaha. It will serve the news media as the only
source for official, up-to-date, accurate information about the
plant emergency and off-site implications, if any.

Joint Information Center Activated, News Release No. 3
June 7, 2011

At approximately 1:15 p.m. on Tuesday, OPPD officials declared they
had taken all appropriate measures to safely return to the
previously Level One Alert classification at Fort Calhoun Nuclear
Power Station to a Notification of Unusual Event (NOUE), which is
the lowest of four classifications established by the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission (NRC).

Earlier today, OPPD officials declared a Level Two Alert
classification at the plant due to smoke in an electrical switchgear
room in the plant. There was no indication of a fire and no releases
of radioactivity occurred. After a thorough safety review, the plant
was cleared to return its level one emergency that was declared
Monday due to flood conditions.

The plant has been shut down since April 9 for a refueling and
maintenance outage. It remains shut down due to flooding of the
Missouri River. The flooding appears to not have been a contributor
to the electrical issue.

The public and the media are invited to a debriefing press
conference at 2:00 p.m., Energy Plaza Auditorium, 444 South 16th
Street Mall, in downtown Omaha.


--
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In article , Andy Champ
writes
On 20/06/2011 12:59, alexander.keys1 wrote:
Funny how we've not heard about this on the "accurate and impartial"
BBC, seems if one of Uncle Sam's reactors nearly melts down it's not a
problem,

Melts down? I've just done a bit of googling.

Snip apparently "impartial" comments of allegedly blocked media...

This was BTW largely garnered from US publicly available media.

What part of "total media blackout" are you having problems with?

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!
;-)
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

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"Andy Champ" wrote in message
. uk...
On 20/06/2011 12:59, alexander.keys1 wrote:
Funny how we've not heard about this on the "accurate and impartial"
BBC, seems if one of Uncle Sam's reactors nearly melts down it's not a
problem,

Melts down? I've just done a bit of googling. It looks as though they
had a fire in an electrical switchboard, and had to shut down some pumps
for an hour. 'Time to boil' for the pond affected was estimated at 88.3
hours. So they had an 87.3 hour safety margin.

And the no-fly zone was to stop the news helicopters from getting in the
way.

This was BTW largely garnered from US publicly available media.


The Pakistan rag says
"But, with an already documented 35% increase in the infant mortality rate
for American mothers living in the western coastal regions of the US caused
by radiation blowing onto them from Japan being ignored by these people
there doesn’t seem to be much hope for them. (The EU Times)"

Having spent some time on the West Coast of the US immediately after the
Japan problems I don't recall anything about increased infant mortality, let
alone a 35% increase.
Hmmm...average in 2004 reported as 6.1 per 1,000.
So 35% increase goes up to 8.2 per 1,000.
However, can't find birth rate data for the moment but I would be interested
to know how they have come up with such a figure so soon after the accident.

Google reveals a few scare stories but they seem to be in Wordpress blogs
and the like.

I suspect a lot of scaremongering by interested parties.

Cheers

Dave R
--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
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"Andy Champ" wrote in message
. uk...
On 20/06/2011 12:59, alexander.keys1 wrote:
Funny how we've not heard about this on the "accurate and impartial"
BBC, seems if one of Uncle Sam's reactors nearly melts down it's not a
problem,

Melts down? I've just done a bit of googling. It looks as though they
had a fire in an electrical switchboard, and had to shut down some pumps
for an hour. 'Time to boil' for the pond affected was estimated at 88.3
hours. So they had an 87.3 hour safety margin.

And the no-fly zone was to stop the news helicopters from getting in the
way.

This was BTW largely garnered from US publicly available media.


The Pakistan rag says
"But, with an already documented 35% increase in the infant mortality rate
for American mothers living in the western coastal regions of the US
caused by radiation blowing onto them from Japan being ignored by these
people there doesn’t seem to be much hope for them. (The EU Times)"

Having spent some time on the West Coast of the US immediately after the
Japan problems I don't recall anything about increased infant mortality,
let alone a 35% increase.
Hmmm...average in 2004 reported as 6.1 per 1,000.
So 35% increase goes up to 8.2 per 1,000.
However, can't find birth rate data for the moment but I would be
interested to know how they have come up with such a figure so soon after
the accident.

Google reveals a few scare stories but they seem to be in Wordpress blogs
and the like.

I suspect a lot of scaremongering by interested parties.


Google finds
http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/06/1...shima-fallout/
which gives loads of facts about various things, including Chernobyl and
infant mortality, but give no evidence whatsoever that an increase in infant
mortality in the US is due to the Japanese nuclear problems.
All it seems to say is "we should investigate".
This is not a report of any evidence of a direct link.
I refer the honourable members to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correla...mply_causation
Also, I didn't see any comparison with the same month in the previous year -
just a comparison of one month against the previous year's average.
The headline does not report a correlation - just puts a question mark.
So mis-information rules.

Cheers

Dave R

--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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(='.'=)
(")_(")