Sony TVs and 1080p
 

I have noticed a problem with audio drop-out on 1080p transmissions
with my Sony Bravia KDL-37EX503. I believe this is a known issue but
I have been able to find very little information. Does anyone know
about this one?

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

Scott wrote:

I have noticed a problem with audio drop-out on 1080p transmissions
with my Sony Bravia KDL-37EX503.

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

Andy Burns wrote:
Scott wrote:

I have noticed a problem with audio drop-out on 1080p transmissions
with my Sony Bravia KDL-37EX503.

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

Not so, strictly speaking, the BBC have been dynamically switching BBC HD on
DTT between 1080i and 1080(25)p since late March.

Read on:-

http://www.whathifi.com/news/bbc-experiments-with-1080p-broadcasts-on-freeview-hd-but-viewers-complain-of-audio-dropouts

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1452011




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On Sat, 28 May 2011 09:58:14 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

Scott wrote:

I have noticed a problem with audio drop-out on 1080p transmissions
with my Sony Bravia KDL-37EX503.

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

That was the position until March. Now it can be either:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/23/b...t-all-sony-hd/

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/tvs-an...ies-sony-tvs-1

-- Richard

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

Mark Carver wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

Not so, strictly speaking, the BBC have been dynamically switching BBC
HD on DTT between 1080i and 1080(25)p since late March.

Oh thanks Mark, is that *only* on terrestrial at the moment? I've
certainly never spotted any 25p recordings on satellite, are they
switching per programme based on the type or source of material, or do
the encoders decide GOP-by-GOP which format to use?

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

Scott wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2011 09:58:14 +0100, Andy Burns

the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

That was the position until March. Now it can be either:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/23/b...t-all-sony-hd/

OK, quietly seems to be the operative word, sorry about that!

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

Andy Burns wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.
Not so, strictly speaking, the BBC have been dynamically switching BBC
HD on DTT between 1080i and 1080(25)p since late March.

Oh thanks Mark, is that *only* on terrestrial at the moment? I've
certainly never spotted any 25p recordings on satellite, are they
switching per programme based on the type or source of material, or do
the encoders decide GOP-by-GOP which format to use?

It's only on terrestrial at present, and only on the BBC HD channel, not BBC 1
HD or ITV and 4HD. The switching is determined by the encoder on a GOP by GOP
basis.

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Richard Tobin wrote, on 28/05/2011 10:06:
In ,
Andy wrote:

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/tvs-an...ies-sony-tvs-1

-- Richard

Sony issued the following statement on 19 May, saying that they will
issue a fix in "7-10 days".

http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/124842?tstart=0

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On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:10:27 +0100, Dave N
wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote, on 28/05/2011 10:06:
In ,
Andy wrote:

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/tvs-an...ies-sony-tvs-1

-- Richard

Sony issued the following statement on 19 May, saying that they will
issue a fix in "7-10 days".

http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/124842?tstart=0

Nine days ago ...

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

Scott wrote, on 28/05/2011 14:17:
On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:10:27 +0100, Dave N
wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote, on 28/05/2011 10:06:
In ,
Andy wrote:

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/tvs-an...ies-sony-tvs-1

-- Richard

Sony issued the following statement on 19 May, saying that they will
issue a fix in "7-10 days".

http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/124842?tstart=0

Nine days ago ...

Indeed, but I did Sony a slight disservice. They didn't state that they
would issue a fix, but rather they stated that they were testing a fix
and would have more information in the next 7 to 10 days.

--
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In article ,
Scott wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:10:27 +0100, Dave N
wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote, on 28/05/2011 10:06:
In ,
Andy wrote:

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/tvs-an...ies-sony-tvs-1

-- Richard

Sony issued the following statement on 19 May, saying that they will
issue a fix in "7-10 days".

http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/124842?tstart=0

Nine days ago ...

they probably meant 10 'working' days.

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On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:28:53 +0100, Dave N
wrote:

Scott wrote, on 28/05/2011 14:17:
On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:10:27 +0100, Dave N
wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote, on 28/05/2011 10:06:
In ,
Andy wrote:

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/tvs-an...ies-sony-tvs-1

-- Richard

Sony issued the following statement on 19 May, saying that they will
issue a fix in "7-10 days".

http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/124842?tstart=0

Nine days ago ...

Indeed, but I did Sony a slight disservice. They didn't state that they
would issue a fix, but rather they stated that they were testing a fix
and would have more information in the next 7 to 10 days.

Point noted. I wonder what they mean by:

This fix will improve the transition from 1080i to 1080p and back, to
ensure the audio, picture and data information are not interrupted.

'Improve the transition' stops short of promising a full solution.
However, they do go on to use the word 'ensure'. We'll know by
tomorrow though :-)

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:35:33 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article ,
Scott wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:10:27 +0100, Dave N
wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote, on 28/05/2011 10:06:
In ,
Andy wrote:

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/tvs-an...ies-sony-tvs-1

-- Richard

Sony issued the following statement on 19 May, saying that they will
issue a fix in "7-10 days".

http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/124842?tstart=0

Nine days ago ...

they probably meant 10 'working' days.

Should they not be working flat out to resolve this :-)

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

On Saturday, May 28th, 2011 at 14:38:28h +0100, Scott asked:

Should they not be working flat out to resolve this :-)

Have they (Sony) not been working flat out to secure all the security
breaches and temporary removal of various "essential to some"
online gaming services?

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

they probably meant 10 'working' days.

Should they not be working flat out to resolve this :-)

Even if the relevant technical team is based in Japan? Giving this
priority for power over their little local difficulties?? I know
Japanese service is legendary but I really don't think failure to cure
audio drop-out on some sets on one BBC Freeview service calls for
seppuku :)
--
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Sony TVs and 1080p
 

On Sat, 28 May 2011 15:42:58 +0100, Robin wrote:
I really don't think failure to cure audio drop-out on
some sets on one BBC Freeview service calls for
seppuku :)

Look if they do not get this problem fixed pronto, it is
time to call on the services of Godzilla (tm).

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

Sony issued the following statement on 19 May, saying that they will
issue a fix in "7-10 days".

http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/124842?tstart=0

Nine days ago ...

they probably meant 10 'working' days.

--


Well its not fixed as of this morning, just checked.

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

cmwb wrote:
Sony issued the following statement on 19 May, saying that they will
issue a fix in "7-10 days".

http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/124842?tstart=0
Nine days ago ...
they probably meant 10 'working' days.

Well its not fixed as of this morning, just checked.

No it won't be, there's going to need to be a software update. Probably
firstly as a patch downloadable from Sony's website that you can apply via a
USB stick, then hopefully an OTA broadcast on the BBC mux. Either way, I've
seen nothing yet on Sony's or the DTG website.

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No it won't be, there's going to need to be a software update.
Probably firstly as a patch downloadable from Sony's website that you
can apply via a USB stick, then hopefully an OTA broadcast on the BBC
mux. Either way, I've seen nothing yet on Sony's or the DTG website.

I've only been a Bravia owner for 3 weeks so I've not yet experience it
but I *think* Sony also push updates to at least some ranges if the TV
is left connected to the 'net.
--
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Sony TVs and 1080p
 

"Robin" wrote in message
...

No it won't be, there's going to need to be a software update.
Probably firstly as a patch downloadable from Sony's website that you
can apply via a USB stick, then hopefully an OTA broadcast on the BBC
mux. Either way, I've seen nothing yet on Sony's or the DTG website.

I've only been a Bravia owner for 3 weeks so I've not yet experience it
but I *think* Sony also push updates to at least some ranges if the TV is
left connected to the 'net.
--
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PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com

we have a KDL40EX713U, it suffers this problem also when the sound drops out
the display changes to 1080i momentary. Its has been connected to the net
since December.

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

On 28/05/2011 09:29, Scott wrote:
I have noticed a problem with audio drop-out on 1080p transmissions
with my Sony Bravia KDL-37EX503. I believe this is a known issue but
I have been able to find very little information. Does anyone know
about this one?

Check-out the Freeview forum on AV Forums. Plenty of discussion about
the issue there.


Clem

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

Scott wrote, on 28/05/2011 14:37:
On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:28:53 +0100, Dave N
wrote:

Scott wrote, on 28/05/2011 14:17:
On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:10:27 +0100, Dave N
wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote, on 28/05/2011 10:06:
In ,
Andy wrote:

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/tvs-an...ies-sony-tvs-1

-- Richard

Sony issued the following statement on 19 May, saying that they will
issue a fix in "7-10 days".

http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/124842?tstart=0

Nine days ago ...

Indeed, but I did Sony a slight disservice. They didn't state that they
would issue a fix, but rather they stated that they were testing a fix
and would have more information in the next 7 to 10 days.

Point noted. I wonder what they mean by:

This fix will improve the transition from 1080i to 1080p and back, to
ensure the audio, picture and data information are not interrupted.

'Improve the transition' stops short of promising a full solution.
However, they do go on to use the word 'ensure'. We'll know by
tomorrow though :-)

Sony's announcement (URL above) was updated this afternoon, 1 June 2011,
with the words:-

*UPDATE* Firmware update due soon.

--
Dave N

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

Clem Dye wrote:
On 28/05/2011 09:29, Scott wrote:
I have noticed a problem with audio drop-out on 1080p transmissions
with my Sony Bravia KDL-37EX503. I believe this is a known issue but
I have been able to find very little information. Does anyone know
about this one?

Check-out the Freeview forum on AV Forums. Plenty of discussion about
the issue there.

Seems there is a bodge to get around the problem until Sony manage to release
the corrective firmware.

Switching the 'Scene' option to 'Game' kills the audio glitches ?

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On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 15:44:35 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

Seems there is a bodge to get around the problem until Sony manage to
release the corrective firmware.

Their number one priority really should be web security, since yet another
SONY web site has succumbed to the crackers.

June 4, 2011 12:29am EST

http://www.pcmag.COM/article2/0,2817,2386397,00.asp

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

In article , J G Miller wrote:

Seems there is a bodge to get around the problem until Sony manage to
release the corrective firmware.

Their number one priority really should be web security, since yet another
SONY web site has succumbed to the crackers.

I'm not convinced that purchasers of Sony televisions should be
further inconvenienced by the company's incompetence in an unrelated
matter.

Sony are too big. They should be split up - and they should never
have been allowed to be major players in both hardware and content
in the first place.

-- Richard

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

In article ,
Mark Carver wrote:
Clem Dye wrote:
On 28/05/2011 09:29, Scott wrote:
I have noticed a problem with audio drop-out on 1080p transmissions
with my Sony Bravia KDL-37EX503. I believe this is a known issue but
I have been able to find very little information. Does anyone know
about this one?

Check-out the Freeview forum on AV Forums. Plenty of discussion about
the issue there.

Seems there is a bodge to get around the problem until Sony manage to
release the corrective firmware.

just discovered that "bodge" is a Shakespearean word - not modern at all.

--
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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

In article , Richard Tobin
wrote:
In article , J G Miller
wrote:

Seems there is a bodge to get around the problem until Sony manage to
release the corrective firmware.

Their number one priority really should be web security, since yet
another SONY web site has succumbed to the crackers.

I'm not convinced that purchasers of Sony televisions should be further
inconvenienced by the company's incompetence in an unrelated matter.

Sony are too big. They should be split up - and they should never have
been allowed to be major players in both hardware and content in the
first place.

allowed by whom? we aren't yet that state controlled

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Sony TVs and 1080p
 

In article ,
charles wrote:

Sony are too big. They should be split up - and they should never have
been allowed to be major players in both hardware and content in the
first place.

allowed by whom?

Anti-trust laws. Conglomerates of this kind reduce customer choice.
An independent manufacturer of DVD players, for example, would have an
interest in as many people as possible being able to play any movie on
their device. A manufacturer that was also a film company would
instead have an interest in controlling just who could watch what, and
when.

we aren't yet that state controlled

No doubt if "we" were a large multinational we would be against such
control.

-- Richard

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

On 04/06/2011 16:15, J G Miller wrote:
Their number one priority really should be web security, since yet another
SONY web site has succumbed to the crackers.

I rather doubt that the TV firmware guys could help much with web security.

Andy

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

Dave N wrote, on 01/06/2011 22:44:
Scott wrote, on 28/05/2011 14:37:
On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:28:53 +0100, Dave N
wrote:

Scott wrote, on 28/05/2011 14:17:
On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:10:27 +0100, Dave N
wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote, on 28/05/2011 10:06:
In ,
Andy wrote:

Can't help with the problem itself, other than to nitpick and say
that
the Freeview HD channels are 1080i not 1080p.

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/tvs-an...ies-sony-tvs-1


-- Richard

Sony issued the following statement on 19 May, saying that they will
issue a fix in "7-10 days".

http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/124842?tstart=0

Nine days ago ...

Indeed, but I did Sony a slight disservice. They didn't state that they
would issue a fix, but rather they stated that they were testing a fix
and would have more information in the next 7 to 10 days.

Point noted. I wonder what they mean by:

This fix will improve the transition from 1080i to 1080p and back, to
ensure the audio, picture and data information are not interrupted.

'Improve the transition' stops short of promising a full solution.
However, they do go on to use the word 'ensure'. We'll know by
tomorrow though :-)

Sony's announcement (URL above) was updated this afternoon, 1 June 2011,
with the words:-

*UPDATE* Firmware update due soon.


Update this afternoon, 6 June 2011, with the following:-

"This issue has been resolved. The software is currently undergoing
final quality assurance testing. We are targeting the end of June to
make a software release. Sets that are connected to the internet will
update automatically. Sets not connected to the internet can be updated
by USB.



We will update this forum when the software has been made available."

--
Dave N

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 16:47:59 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article ,
Mark Carver wrote:
Clem Dye wrote:
On 28/05/2011 09:29, Scott wrote:
I have noticed a problem with audio drop-out on 1080p transmissions
with my Sony Bravia KDL-37EX503. I believe this is a known issue but
I have been able to find very little information. Does anyone know
about this one?

Check-out the Freeview forum on AV Forums. Plenty of discussion about
the issue there.

Seems there is a bodge to get around the problem until Sony manage to
release the corrective firmware.

just discovered that "bodge" is a Shakespearean word - not modern at all.

AFAICR a bodger is a kind of carpenter who knocks stuff up on the fly.

See also, "Chancellor"

Sony TVs and 1080p
 

Dave N wrote:

Update this afternoon, 6 June 2011, with the following:-

"This issue has been resolved. The software is currently undergoing
final quality assurance testing. We are targeting the end of June to
make a software release. Sets that are connected to the internet will
update automatically. Sets not connected to the internet can be updated
by USB.

Seems to now be available for internet connected sets ?

Ref Post 113

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...5#post50697275

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Mark Carver wrote:

the BBC have been dynamically switching BBC
HD on DTT between 1080i and 1080(25)p since late March.

I don't know whether you would know, or would be allowed to mention,
whether there's any part of C4HD's infrastructure could have a similar
effect ...

As mentioned before, my setup has a software de-interlacer that presents
1080p50 to my TV regardless of the source (either DVB-T1 or DVB-S1/S2).

When watching a programme on C4HD, as the end credits start to roll they
are ultra smooth, until the continuity announcer fades him/herself up
and overlays the "coming next" banner, at which point the motion becomes
jerky, until the end of the credits.

Is this something such as the vision mixer which comes in-circuit to add
the overlay reducing the stream from 1080i50 to 1080p25, which then gets
converted back to 1080i50 further along the chain for broadcast?

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Mike Henry wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

When watching a programme on C4HD, as the end credits start to roll they
are ultra smooth, until the continuity announcer fades him/herself up
and overlays the "coming next" banner, at which point the motion becomes
jerky, until the end of the credits.

That happens on SD too and has annoyed me for a long time! The jerky
motion looks to me as if the overlay can't handle interlacing, and they
just throw away every other field. What was nice 50Hz motion is juddery
25Hz motion.

Yes, I have since noticed it on SD too, and seen other people allude to
it on other threads ... still annoying.