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BBC Alba Freeview date unveiled

In article , J G Miller
wrote:
On Tuesday, May 24th, 2011 at 17:29:08h +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:

In Scotland the first half of the 'Last Night of the Proms' was *not*
shown *at all* on terrestrial TV in Scotland, despite being a (UK)
national event.

A national event? An event for Greater London and Home County middle
class hooray-henries to sing Land of Hope and Glory and Rule Britannia?

That would be the *second* half - which was shown live in Scotland as well
as elsewhere. ...And which finishes with a well know Scots ditty... :-)

BTW if you look, you'll find quite a range of flags and nationalities
represented. And of course these days we get the 'Proms in the Parks', etc
to give people around the UK a look-in.

The problem was that the *first* half was *not* broadcast at all in
Scotland. Although people in England were later given multiple chances to
enjoy the 'Scots Last Night' we were given instead.

You'll be pleased to know, though, that despite living in the 'Top Country'
I was able to buy my Proms 2011 Guide, and have been merrily marking the
concerts I most want to sit and listen to. 24 of them also on TV this year.

Main dissapointment for me is the lack of composers like VW or Finzi whilst
the 'usual suspects' get loads of coverage. Holst appears, but oh, dear,
Planets again...

Slainte,

Jim

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BBC Alba Freeview date unveiled

On Wed, 25 May 2011 14:08:38 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2011 10:47:30 +0100, Peter Duncanson wrote:

In Northern Ireland we can receive the (Irish) Gaelic language channel
TG4 from analogue transmitters in the Republic. In the future that will
be broadcast in Northern Ireland on an additional (7th) multiplex along
with the Republic's main channels RTE1 and RTE2.

TG4 has been broadcast as an analog transmission at low power from
Divis since 2005 on UHF channel 59.

Since most viewers receiving their TV transmission from Divis will
have a Group A antenna, will they get any signal at all on UHF
channel 59?

I'm only about 3 miles from the Divis Tx but line-of-sight would need a
tunnel through the rising ground between here and there, so the
reception is not as good as might be expected at that distance. Although
my antenna pointing at Divis is wideband its signal goes through a
diplexer which will cut off channels above 50 on that input. The other
input to the diplexer is from a Group C/D antenna pointing south to the
Irish Republic.

I'v never tried bypassing the diplexer to see whether I could get TG4
from Divis.

I don't understand Gaelic so I watch TG4 only when there is a programme
I'm interested in, will not be available elsewhere and has subtitles or
is in English anyway.

--
Peter Duncanson
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BBC Alba Freeview date unveiled

On Wed, 25 May 2011 13:44:20 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 24th, 2011 at 17:29:08h +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:

In Scotland the first half of the 'Last Night of the Proms' was *not*
shown *at all* on terrestrial TV in Scotland, despite being a (UK)
national event.

A national event? An event for Greater London and Home County
middle class hooray-henries to sing Land of Hope and Glory and
Rule Britannia?

This has no cultural relevance to other parts of England let
alone the nations of Cymru, Alba, or Ulster.

It has been extended to include performers in other parts of the UK in
their own concerts which are partly merged into the main event. However,
it is a bit of a mess.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

BBC Alba Freeview date unveiled

On Tue, 24 May 2011 17:29:08 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Zimmy wrote:
On 23/05/2011 08:21, Silk wrote:

I'm taking a guess that gaelic speakers are amongst the richer and
more influential end of the population.

No, but the PC brigade are.

To me the outcome we have looks very like a result of political 'in
fighting' between pressure/political groups. Then 'cornering' the BBC
Trust.

In essence there are two groups fighting for political turf. I can typify
them in over-simplified terms as follows:

One is the larger more moderate group who have an interest in Scotland
gaining more independence and control. But are generally in no hurry and
would regard equating 'Scots' with 'Gael' as daft. More likely to think
Gaelic about a relevant to their lives as tartan shortbread tins, despite
having a leaning towards independence.

The other is a much smaller group. They may well speak Gaelic and have a
keen interest in Gaelic culture, history, etc. And are more likely to
regard this as a badge of 'difference'.

Hence when the smaller group push an idea like having Gelic TV shove loads
of (english language) radio stations off DVT-B then the bigger group may
either be willing to go along and use it as a 'flag' that Scotland isn't
England. Or feel they can't say the idea is barmy for fear of being branded
as lacking in political zeal.

So a bit like the way other political parties can feel 'outflanked' by more
extreme minority groups. e.g. like the Tories in the past by UKIP when it
comes to some issues.

Similarly, the people at the BBC Trust may be clueless about the actual
poltical dynamics in Scotland, but feel they can't reject the idea for fear
of the BBC being branded 'anti Scottish' and the rejection used as a stick
to beat the 'English Broadcasting Corporation' and its SE England centered
thinking.

If you think that is weird, consider one other sign that occurred last
year.

In Scotland the first half of the 'Last Night of the Proms' was *not* shown
*at all* on terrestrial TV in Scotland, despite being a (UK) national
event. Yet it appeared on BBC2 in England. Instead we got a sort of
'Scottish Last Night' at that time.

Then the 'Scottish' work was repeated twice on BBC4, and again in Scotland.
This mean some of us got 2 to 4 'chances to see' the Scots concert. But
those in Scotland using Freeview *still* haven't had any chance at all to
see the first half from the RAH - which is the part with the music rather
than the celebrations.

Now I'd say the Scots concert was actually fairly enjoyable. But it simply
wasn't 'The Last Night of the Proms' and could easily have been shown on
another day. So this is another example of how someone somewhere thinks the
BBC have to show they are 'Distinctly Scottish' up here in a way that makes
more sense as a political flag than as a broadcast event.

My guess is that they will do this again this year. No mention in the
printed Proms guide, but the guide gave no warning last year, either. It
just said the first half would be on BBC2 - but it wasn't in Scotland!

Oh well, at least we all get a chance to listen to Eddie Mair on R4. :-)

At least having BBC One HD as an 'English' service allows some of the
worst excesses to be avoided :-)

BBC Alba Freeview date unveiled

Scott wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2011 18:06:00 +0100, Mark Carver

How come BBC Radio Scotland is carried on a commercial DAB multiplex?
It was decided a while ago that the most practical and pragmatic solution for
carrying BBC 'local' stations on DAB was to reserve space on the relevant
local DAB muxes, and making it a requirement of the commercial mux operators
in each area to carry the corresponding 'local' BBC station(s) FOC.

However, don't forget, ten years ago some BBC Radio and TV was carried on the
SDN Mux, which AIUI the Beeb paid for ?

So are we not looking at a commercial arrangement between the BBC and
one of the commercial multiplex owners?

Not for DAB, no, as I said carriage on those is free of charge to the Beeb,
but I'm sure the same was not true for past DTT space on COM muxes ?

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BBC Alba Freeview date unveiled

On Wed, 25 May 2011 18:43:14 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

Scott wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2011 18:06:00 +0100, Mark Carver

How come BBC Radio Scotland is carried on a commercial DAB multiplex?
It was decided a while ago that the most practical and pragmatic solution for
carrying BBC 'local' stations on DAB was to reserve space on the relevant
local DAB muxes, and making it a requirement of the commercial mux operators
in each area to carry the corresponding 'local' BBC station(s) FOC.

However, don't forget, ten years ago some BBC Radio and TV was carried on the
SDN Mux, which AIUI the Beeb paid for ?

So are we not looking at a commercial arrangement between the BBC and
one of the commercial multiplex owners?

Not for DAB, no, as I said carriage on those is free of charge to the Beeb,
but I'm sure the same was not true for past DTT space on COM muxes ?

Sorry, I meant a deal to put Alba on one of the commercial
multiplexes.

However, I now realise there is no point in putting Alba on any
multiplex that is not carried by relay transmitters since many people
in remote areas receive their signal from relays. To make any sense
Alba would need to be on one of the three main multiplexes.

BBC Alba Freeview date unveiled

On Wednesday, May 25th, 2011 at 15:18:59h +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:

You'll be pleased to know, though, that despite living in the 'Top
Country' I was able to buy my Proms 2011 Guide, and have been merrily
marking the concerts I most want to sit and listen to. 24 of them also
on TV this year.

My intent was not to disparage all of the Promenade Concerts, just
the excessive national chauvinism that has became part of the traditional
last night activities.

Are any of the performances going to be in 5.1 on BBC HD though?