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On 04/05/11 09:40, charles wrote:
In ,
Hugh wrote:
On 03/05/11 20:07, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:12:19 +0100, Bill
wrote:

I've seen a few news items about the moorland fires, and in each case
the wind turbines in the background have been stationary, despite the
obvious wind. I wonder why?

So they don't fan the flames?

That's only a joke folks.

GK Chesterton maintained that the wind is caused by the trees waving
their branches about.

almost as believable as the 'dark-sucker' for light bulbs - they don't emit
light, they suck in dark and when they are full they go black.

I should perhaps have said that Chesterton was a great joker.

Hugh

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In article ,
Hugh Newbury wrote:
On 04/05/11 09:40, charles wrote:
In ,
Hugh wrote:
On 03/05/11 20:07, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:12:19 +0100, Bill
wrote:

I've seen a few news items about the moorland fires, and in each case
the wind turbines in the background have been stationary, despite the
obvious wind. I wonder why?

So they don't fan the flames?

That's only a joke folks.

GK Chesterton maintained that the wind is caused by the trees waving
their branches about.

almost as believable as the 'dark-sucker' for light bulbs - they don't
emit light, they suck in dark and when they are full they go black.

I should perhaps have said that Chesterton was a great joker.

I guessed that. but just google for 'dark sucker'.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16

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"Hugh Newbury" wrote in message
...
On 03/05/11 20:07, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:12:19 +0100, Bill
wrote:

I've seen a few news items about the moorland fires, and in each case
the wind turbines in the background have been stationary, despite the
obvious wind. I wonder why?

So they don't fan the flames?

That's only a joke folks.

GK Chesterton maintained that the wind is caused by the trees waving their
branches about.

I believed that very briefly. Aged 5 or 6, I asked, "How do trees make the
wind?" As soon as I said it I realised my mistake.

--
Max Demian

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In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus
I'm not sure how one can say it cannot absorb all the energy, as the energy
is not used if its not needed. More to the point is that as has been noted
before, you only need the extra at peak times and running them wears them
out requires maintenance etc. The snag often is there is no wind when you
want power!

Brian


The big problem with wind power, it need's Storage which it hasn't got
in sufficient size!...
--
Tony Sayer

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On Wed, 4 May 2011 07:52:51 +0100, "Robin" wrote:

So they don't fan the flames?

That's exactly what BBC Radio 4 reported a few minutes ago.

Oh dear! (To put it mildly.)

A wind turbine extracts energy from the wind and therefore slows down
the wind. The slowing effect may be too small to be of any use.

Is there a cunning plan to run them as fans in order to make it rain?

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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In message , Max Demian
writes
"Hugh Newbury" wrote in message
...
On 03/05/11 20:07, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:12:19 +0100, Bill
wrote:

I've seen a few news items about the moorland fires, and in each case
the wind turbines in the background have been stationary, despite the
obvious wind. I wonder why?

So they don't fan the flames?

That's only a joke folks.

GK Chesterton maintained that the wind is caused by the trees waving their
branches about.

I believed that very briefly. Aged 5 or 6, I asked, "How do trees make the
wind?" As soon as I said it I realised my mistake.

I've got a brilliant idea.
When more electricity is needed, and there isn't enough wind to turn the
windfarm turbines, why can't they use half the turbines as motors? Those
'windmills' would then act as fans, and the wind they produce would make
the other wind turbines turn, and generate the much-needed electricity.

I'll get me coat....
--
Ian

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Ian Jackson wrote:

I've got a brilliant idea.
When more electricity is needed, and there isn't enough wind to turn the
windfarm turbines, why can't they use half the turbines as motors? Those
'windmills' would then act as fans, and the wind they produce would make
the other wind turbines turn, and generate the much-needed electricity.

I'll get me coat....

In terms of logic, economy, and scientific credibility, your idea sits
well with UK energy policy.

Bill

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On Wed, 4 May 2011 13:59:18 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Max Demian
writes
"Hugh Newbury" wrote in message
...
On 03/05/11 20:07, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:12:19 +0100, Bill
wrote:

I've seen a few news items about the moorland fires, and in each case
the wind turbines in the background have been stationary, despite the
obvious wind. I wonder why?

So they don't fan the flames?

That's only a joke folks.

GK Chesterton maintained that the wind is caused by the trees waving their
branches about.

I believed that very briefly. Aged 5 or 6, I asked, "How do trees make the
wind?" As soon as I said it I realised my mistake.

I've got a brilliant idea.
When more electricity is needed, and there isn't enough wind to turn the
windfarm turbines, why can't they use half the turbines as motors? Those
'windmills' would then act as fans, and the wind they produce would make
the other wind turbines turn, and generate the much-needed electricity.

I'll get me coat....

Yer coat will protect you against the draughts.

Plan B: use electrically-powered air pumps to compress air which is then
stored in massive cylinders. Later allow the air out to turn the wind
turbines.

I've had an idea swimming around in my mind for a few years. Now might
be the time to present it in public.

1. Select a suitable modest sized mountain.

2. Cut a horizontal slice out of it.

3. Install hydraulic rams between the floor and roof of the sliced-out
space.

4. When there is surplus electricity being generated use it to pump
hydraulic fluid and thereby raise the upper section of the mountain.
When there is a need for additional electricity allow the weight of
the mountain to push the hydraulic fluid through turbines driving
alternators.

There may be a few minor obstacles to overcome before this
earth-shatteringly brilliant scheme can become a reality.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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Peter Duncanson wrote:

I've had an idea swimming around in my mind for a few years. Now might
be the time to present it in public.

1. Select a suitable modest sized mountain.

2. Cut a horizontal slice out of it.

3. Install hydraulic rams between the floor and roof of the sliced-out
space.

4. When there is surplus electricity being generated use it to pump
hydraulic fluid and thereby raise the upper section of the mountain.
When there is a need for additional electricity allow the weight of
the mountain to push the hydraulic fluid through turbines driving
alternators.

Seems a lot of trouble to go to considering rock has a density only 2x
to 3x that of water ... perhaps you could find a whole mountain of Galena?

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On Wednesday, May 4th, 2011 at 15:14:37h +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Seems a lot of trouble to go to considering rock has a density only 2x
to 3x that of water ... perhaps you could find a whole mountain of
Galena?

Yes we have done this one before, and was met with appropriate ridicule
and scorn.

Mercury 13,6x (if I am reading the figures correctly)

If rivers of mercury were good enough for the late Qin Shi Huang ...