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Freesat or Freeview
Sorry if this is a frequently asked question, but which is best for channel
content, Freeview or Freesat? One person told me that the few Freeview channels that can't be received on Freesat (because their sat broadcast is encrypted) more than make up quality-wise for the multiplicity of Freesat channels. Is that right? What about HD? Does Freeview HD and Freesat HD get the same HD channels? |
Freesat or Freeview
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:25:44 +0100, John Arnold
wrote: Sorry if this is a frequently asked question, but which is best for channel content, Freeview or Freesat? One person told me that the few Freeview channels that can't be received on Freesat (because their sat broadcast is encrypted) more than make up quality-wise for the multiplicity of Freesat channels. Is that right? What about HD? Does Freeview HD and Freesat HD get the same HD channels? http://www.freeview.co.uk/ http://www.freesat.co.uk/ |
Freesat or Freeview
On Friday, April 22nd, 2011 at 22:25:44h +0100, John Arnold wrote:
Sorry if this is a frequently asked question, but which is best for channel content, Freeview or Freesat? The best for multiplicity of stations is an FTA receiver with motorised satellite dish. Connect that up to a TV with Freeview and you get the best of all worlds, eg Quest on Freeview, and CBS Action on satellite. |
Freesat or Freeview
"John Arnold" wrote in message ... Sorry if this is a frequently asked question, but which is best for channel content, Freeview or Freesat? One person told me that the few Freeview channels that can't be received on Freesat (because their sat broadcast is encrypted) more than make up quality-wise for the multiplicity of Freesat channels. Is that right? What about HD? Does Freeview HD and Freesat HD get the same HD channels? One channel that SWMBO likes on Freeview, that isn't availible FTA on D-sat (including Freesat) is Dave. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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In article , Graham. wrote:
One channel that SWMBO likes on Freeview, that isn't availible FTA on D-sat (including Freesat) is Dave. I think that's quite common. But Dave will soon have shown all the programs it has at least 50 times, so its appeal will fade. -- Richard |
Freesat or Freeview
On 22/04/2011 10:25 PM, John Arnold wrote:
Sorry if this is a frequently asked question, but which is best for channel content, Freeview or Freesat? One person told me that the few Freeview channels that can't be received on Freesat (because their sat broadcast is encrypted) more than make up quality-wise for the multiplicity of Freesat channels. Is that right? What about HD? Does Freeview HD and Freesat HD get the same HD channels? chances are, if you get freesat your tv will already have freeview built in? there's stuff like dave, couple of music channels, the 2 five spinoffs on freeview not on freesat. freesat does have lots of others. both have the same hd - bbc hd, one hd, itv hd and four hd. -- Gareth. That fly.... Is your magic wand. |
Freesat or Freeview
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
... To be honest from what I've found, the question should be turned on its head. Do you get the same dross on both. In most cases more dross on freesat as there are more channels. Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "the dog from that film you saw" wrote in message ... On 22/04/2011 10:25 PM, John Arnold wrote: Sorry if this is a frequently asked question, but which is best for channel content, Freeview or Freesat? One person told me that the few Freeview channels that can't be received on Freesat (because their sat broadcast is encrypted) more than make up quality-wise for the multiplicity of Freesat channels. Is that right? What about HD? Does Freeview HD and Freesat HD get the same HD channels? chances are, if you get freesat your tv will already have freeview built in? there's stuff like dave, couple of music channels, the 2 five spinoffs on freeview not on freesat. freesat does have lots of others. both have the same hd - bbc hd, one hd, itv hd and four hd. -- Gareth. That fly.... Is your magic wand. One very good station on sat that is not on Freeview is Euronews. It is amazing how much is going off elsewhere in Europe that is never even mentioned in the UK media. -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
Freesat or Freeview
Brian Gaff wrote:
Do you get the same dross on both IMHO, you get more dross on FTA satellite, all the different BBC/ITV/C4/S4C regional variants, along with a handful of worthwhile channels _not_ on terrestrial. On terrestrial you get a couple of channels that are _not_ on FTA satellite, if you want(!) you can get TopUp and SkySports1/2 cheaper than via satellite subscription. No harm in having both, maybe a twin tuner PVR on one and an IDTV on the other? |
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"Woody" wrote in message ... "Brian Gaff" wrote in message ... To be honest from what I've found, the question should be turned on its head. Do you get the same dross on both. In most cases more dross on freesat as there are more channels. Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "the dog from that film you saw" wrote in message ... On 22/04/2011 10:25 PM, John Arnold wrote: Sorry if this is a frequently asked question, but which is best for channel content, Freeview or Freesat? One person told me that the few Freeview channels that can't be received on Freesat (because their sat broadcast is encrypted) more than make up quality-wise for the multiplicity of Freesat channels. Is that right? What about HD? Does Freeview HD and Freesat HD get the same HD channels? chances are, if you get freesat your tv will already have freeview built in? there's stuff like dave, couple of music channels, the 2 five spinoffs on freeview not on freesat. freesat does have lots of others. both have the same hd - bbc hd, one hd, itv hd and four hd. -- Gareth. That fly.... Is your magic wand. One very good station on sat that is not on Freeview is Euronews. Each to their own. Personally, I found it to be the worst rolling news channel - by a very long way tim |
Freesat or Freeview
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Brian Gaff wrote: To be honest from what I've found, the question should be turned on its head. Do you get the same dross on both. In most cases more dross on freesat as there are more channels. Are you the best person to judge on TV content? ;-) -- *Why isn't there a special name for the back of your knee? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Freesat or Freeview
"John Arnold" wrote in message
... Sorry if this is a frequently asked question, but which is best for channel content, Freeview or Freesat? One person told me that the few Freeview channels that can't be received on Freesat (because their sat broadcast is encrypted) more than make up quality-wise for the multiplicity of Freesat channels. Is that right? What about HD? Does Freeview HD and Freesat HD get the same HD channels? I think that if you have the choice this is a "non-question". Why wouldn't you have Freeview unless you need an Arial upgrade. All new TVs come with Freeview built in. A Freeview box can be had for a nominal amount. I think it only gets interesting when you go HD where the higher available bandwidth of satellite communications allows more HD channels and more interactive features to be available. So if you want the full F1 experience with all the driver cams you need freesat or sky. Also as others have pointed out Freesat is a locked down platform. So there is stuff available that is free but can't be viewed on a Freesat box because its EPG should be locked. (some receievers are dual mode).... |
Freesat or Freeview
John Arnold wrote:
Sorry if this is a frequently asked question, but which is best for channel content, Freeview or Freesat? One person told me that the few Freeview channels that can't be received on Freesat (because their sat broadcast is encrypted) more than make up quality-wise for the multiplicity of Freesat channels. Is that right? What about HD? Does Freeview HD and Freesat HD get the same HD channels? It partly depends on where you live, most relay stations will only have the 3 PSB multiplexes, Freesat is definitely better then. Both systems will have BBC HD, BBC1 HD, ITV1 HD & C4 HD. NHK World HD will be on Freesat next month. -- Adrian |
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On Saturday, April 23rd, 2011 at 11:38:14h +0100, Tim complained:
Personally, I found it to be the worst rolling news channel - by a very long way Euronews is more of a Bob Danvers-Walker Pathe newsreel style news station than a rolling BREAKING NEWS in your face personality led news station. Perhaps that is why your opinion of it is so low? So try France 24 or Deutsche Welle TV. And Bloomberg is better for business news than CNBC. |
Freesat or Freeview
Can anyone give me the Freesat transponder frequency for C4 HD please
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:18:47 +0100, Count de Monet
wrote: Can anyone give me the Freesat transponder frequency for C4 HD please It is 12606, V, 27500, 3/4. It is in DVB-S2 rather than the DVB-S used for most other channels. If you are doing a manually initiated scan of that transponder frequency you might need to tell your box to use DVB-S2. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
Freesat or Freeview
On 23/04/2011 09:25, Woody wrote:
One very good station on sat that is not on Freeview is Euronews. It is amazing how much is going off elsewhere in Europe that is never even mentioned in the UK media. That's because no one cares what happens in the rest of europe. |
Freesat or Freeview
On Saturday, April 23rd, 2011 at 18:22:26h +0100, Silk wrote:
That's because no one cares what happens in the rest of europe. Surely those who live in the rest of Europe care about what happens in the rest of Europe? |
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"J G Miller" wrote in message ... On Saturday, April 23rd, 2011 at 11:38:14h +0100, Tim complained: Personally, I found it to be the worst rolling news channel - by a very long way Euronews is more of a Bob Danvers-Walker Pathe newsreel style news station than a rolling BREAKING NEWS in your face personality led news station. Perhaps that is why your opinion of it is so low? So try France 24 or Deutsche Welle TV. France 24 was rather good by comparison (but I still prefer BBC News) tim |
Freesat or Freeview
On 23/04/2011 19:28, J G Miller wrote:
On Saturday, April 23rd, 2011 at 18:22:26h +0100, Silk wrote: That's because no one cares what happens in the rest of europe. Surely those who live in the rest of Europe care about what happens in the rest of Europe? Most people don't care about anything if it doesn't directly affect them. If people in other countries wish to care about what happens in thoses countries, why is it my business? |
Freesat or Freeview
One very good station on sat that is not on Freeview is Euronews. It is
amazing how much is going off elsewhere in Europe that is never even mentioned in the UK media. Talking of news channels, has anyone ever watched a few minutes of Russia Today? Maybe its me, but I find it reminds me of BBC News24's format, for example, BBC N24 have the HardTalk programme, whereas Russia Today has CrossTalk. Also the rolling captions are of a similar style, but in different corporate colours of course...... Stephen |
Freesat or Freeview
On 23/04/2011 16:29, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:18:47 +0100, Count de wrote: Can anyone give me the Freesat transponder frequency for C4 HD please It is 12606, V, 27500, 3/4. It is in DVB-S2 rather than the DVB-S used for most other channels. If you are doing a manually initiated scan of that transponder frequency you might need to tell your box to use DVB-S2. Shame, my Blackgold TV card does not support DVB-S2 |
Freesat or Freeview
Silk wrote:
On 23/04/2011 19:28, J G Miller wrote: On Saturday, April 23rd, 2011 at 18:22:26h +0100, Silk wrote: That's because no one cares what happens in the rest of europe. Surely those who live in the rest of Europe care about what happens in the rest of Europe? Most people don't care about anything if it doesn't directly affect them. If people in other countries wish to care about what happens in thoses countries, why is it my business? You sound like the perfect demographic match for BBC News 24's target audience. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
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Peter Duncanson wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:18:47 +0100, Count de Monet wrote: Can anyone give me the Freesat transponder frequency for C4 HD please It is 12606, V, 27500, 3/4. It is in DVB-S2 rather than the DVB-S used for most other channels. If you are doing a manually initiated scan of that transponder frequency you might need to tell your box to use DVB-S2. I found the test transmissions on my Vision HD box some time ago, but they are both now blank screens. Tried finding it again using the above settings - but that appear to be the same as one I had before. I have tried both the DVB-S2 options. Anything else I can try? -- *"I am " is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Freesat or Freeview
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:08:15 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Peter Duncanson wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:18:47 +0100, Count de Monet wrote: Can anyone give me the Freesat transponder frequency for C4 HD please It is 12606, V, 27500, 3/4. It is in DVB-S2 rather than the DVB-S used for most other channels. If you are doing a manually initiated scan of that transponder frequency you might need to tell your box to use DVB-S2. I found the test transmissions on my Vision HD box some time ago, but they are both now blank screens. Tried finding it again using the above settings - but that appear to be the same as one I had before. I have tried both the DVB-S2 options. Anything else I can try? I have no suggestions. Perhaps someone else has. I've just selected C4 HD on my Humax HDR in both Freesat and non-Freesat modes. In non-Freesat mode the box reports the frequency as 12607, which is what I set manually, and is the same as listed by Lyngsat: http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html When in Freesat mode the box reports the frequency as 12606, as I quoted in my earlier post. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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Peter Duncanson wrote:
In non-Freesat mode the box reports the frequency as 12607 When in Freesat mode the box reports the frequency as 12606 MythTV under linux lists found C4HD during a full scan, and lists the transponder as follows mysql SELECT frequency,polarity,symbolrate,modulation,mod_sys,f ec FROM dtv_multiplex WHERE mplexid=70; +-----------+----------+------------+------------+---------+------+ | frequency | polarity | symbolrate | modulation | mod_sys | fec | +-----------+----------+------------+------------+---------+------+ | 12606650 | v | 27500000 | qpsk | DVB-S2 | 3/4 | +-----------+----------+------------+------------+---------+------+ so that might explain the rounding between 12606 and 12607 MHz |
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On Sunday, April 24th, 2011 at 11:13:54h +0100, Mark Carver wrote:
You sound like the perfect demographic match for BBC News 24's target audience. Although BBC News 24 tends to have some news items about Americans which are totally irrelevant, and potentially offensive, to little Englanders though. |
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J G Miller wrote:
On Sunday, April 24th, 2011 at 11:13:54h +0100, Mark Carver wrote: You sound like the perfect demographic match for BBC News 24's target audience. Although BBC News 24 tends to have some news items about Americans which are totally irrelevant, and potentially offensive, to little Englanders though. It has been many months since the BBC dropped the 24 from the BBC News channel but I've no doubt it will be referenced for years to come. -- Adrian |
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On Sunday, April 24th, 2011 at 17:05:05h +0100, Adrian wrote:
It has been many months since the BBC dropped the 24 from the BBC News channel Indeed so. Maybe because they wanted to distance themselves from France 24 or CT24 http://www.ct24.cz/ (Warning: not safe for people who care nothing for the rest of Europe) CT24 always looks very BBC like because of the red and the banner style across the bottom of the screen. |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk... Peter Duncanson wrote: In non-Freesat mode the box reports the frequency as 12607 When in Freesat mode the box reports the frequency as 12606 MythTV under linux lists found C4HD during a full scan, and lists the transponder as follows mysql SELECT frequency,polarity,symbolrate,modulation,mod_sys,f ec FROM dtv_multiplex WHERE mplexid=70; +-----------+----------+------------+------------+---------+------+ | frequency | polarity | symbolrate | modulation | mod_sys | fec | +-----------+----------+------------+------------+---------+------+ | 12606650 | v | 27500000 | qpsk | DVB-S2 | 3/4 | +-----------+----------+------------+------------+---------+------+ so that might explain the rounding between 12606 and 12607 MHz Now this may seem a thick question but I thought all Freesat signals came/come from the Astra2 cluster. If so why does C4HD appear to come from Eurobird 1? -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
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On Monday, April 25th, 2011, at 18:43:24h +0100, Woody wrote:
Now this may seem a thick question but I thought all Freesat signals came/come from the Astra2 cluster. Well you can see which stations are broadcast FTA from Eutelsat Eurobird 1 at 28,5 28.5°East at http://www.lyngsat.COM/eb1.html some of which are paying to appear on the Freesat EPG, eg CBS Action, CBS Drama, CBS Reality, Horror Channel, and now, in addition, C4 HD. |
Freesat or Freeview
"Woody" wrote in message ... "Andy Burns" wrote in message o.uk... Peter Duncanson wrote: In non-Freesat mode the box reports the frequency as 12607 When in Freesat mode the box reports the frequency as 12606 MythTV under linux lists found C4HD during a full scan, and lists the transponder as follows mysql SELECT frequency,polarity,symbolrate,modulation,mod_sys,f ec FROM dtv_multiplex WHERE mplexid=70; +-----------+----------+------------+------------+---------+------+ | frequency | polarity | symbolrate | modulation | mod_sys | fec | +-----------+----------+------------+------------+---------+------+ | 12606650 | v | 27500000 | qpsk | DVB-S2 | 3/4 | +-----------+----------+------------+------------+---------+------+ so that might explain the rounding between 12606 and 12607 MHz Now this may seem a thick question but I thought all Freesat signals came/come from the Astra2 cluster. If so why does C4HD appear to come from Eurobird 1? -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com Because it *does* come from Eurobird 1. As the Freesat EPG also comes from Eurobird, and it's the EPG that makes Freesat Freesat, it could be said that Eurobird is more important to Freesat than Astra. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Freesat or Freeview
Woody wrote:
Now this may seem a thick question but I thought all Freesat signals came/come from the Astra2 cluster. If so why does C4HD appear to come from Eurobird 1? Because some Freesat and Sky platform channels use Eurobird, which being at 28.5E is as near as dammit to the Astra cluster at 28.2E to all intents and purposes. In fact Freesat's EPG data is carried on Eurobird. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
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J G Miller wrote:
Well you can see which stations are broadcast FTA from Eutelsat Eurobird 1 at 28,5 28.5°East at http://www.lyngsat.COM/eb1.html Except that page claims it's 11224MHz Vertical, DVB-S1, with 2/3 FEC |
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On Monday, April 25th, 2011 at 20:22:27h +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
J G Miller wrote: Well you can see which stations are broadcast FTA from Eutelsat Eurobird 1 at 28,5 28.5°East at http://www.lyngsat.COM/eb1.html Except that page claims it's 11224MHz Vertical, DVB-S1, with 2/3 FEC Claims which? If you are talking about C4 HD then it is clearly listed on that page in light green (HD/clear) as being transponder : F4L transmission : DVB-s2 modulation : QSPK encoding : MPEG-4 frequency : 12,607 GHz polarisation : V symbol rate : 27500 fec : 3/4 service id : 55300 video pid : 2305 audio pid : 2306 2307 Methinks you are looking at the wrong entry. ;) Aha, 12,224 GHz has an entry for NHK World HD which is DVB-s MPEG-4. Why do you think that is incorrect? |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:22:27 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote: J G Miller wrote: Well you can see which stations are broadcast FTA from Eutelsat Eurobird 1 at 28,5 28.5°East at http://www.lyngsat.COM/eb1.html Except that page claims it's 11224MHz Vertical, DVB-S1, with 2/3 FEC That's NHK World TV HD. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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J G Miller wrote:
Aha, 12,224 GHz has an entry for NHK World HD which is DVB-s MPEG-4. Ooops, I had remembered the 12606 frequency from the NHK thread and then forgot this thread had rambled onto C4HD |
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Andy Burns wrote:
J G Miller wrote: Aha, 12,224 GHz has an entry for NHK World HD which is DVB-s MPEG-4. Ooops, I had remembered the 12606 frequency from the NHK thread and then forgot this thread had rambled onto C4HD Or even 12606 for C4HD! |
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Andy Burns wrote:
J G Miller wrote: Well you can see which stations are broadcast FTA from Eutelsat Eurobird 1 at 28,5 28.5°East at http://www.lyngsat.COM/eb1.html Except that page claims it's 11224MHz Vertical, DVB-S1, with 2/3 FEC Look again, that's NHK World HD. -- Adrian |
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