Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

Hi
As expected it is 126.
Regards
David

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On 19/04/2011 10:58, David wrote:
Hi
As expected it is 126.
Regards
David

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff. Why can't BBC1 HD be on 101, ITV1 HD on 103 etc. Complete bloody
shambles. Surely it's not beyond the technology to switch in and out of
the HD feed as appropriate.

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

Silk wrote:
On 19/04/2011 10:58, David wrote:
Hi
As expected it is 126.
Regards
David

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff. Why can't BBC1 HD be on 101, ITV1 HD on 103 etc. Complete bloody
shambles. Surely it's not beyond the technology to switch in and out of
the HD feed as appropriate.

It's because of regional programming in the case of BBC 1, and regional
ads in the case of ITV and C4.

I agree, the viewer should be able to pick whatever EPG positions they
choose, but neither Freesat nor Sky allow that with their 'branded' boxes.

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

David wrote:
Hi
As expected it is 126.
Regards
David

It is shown on the epg on my Panasonic DMR XS-350 but when I select that
channel the screen shows no signal. Has anyone else who's got this
machine able to view it?

--
Adrian

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:49:25 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

Silk wrote:
On 19/04/2011 10:58, David wrote:
Hi
As expected it is 126.
Regards
David

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff. Why can't BBC1 HD be on 101, ITV1 HD on 103 etc. Complete bloody
shambles. Surely it's not beyond the technology to switch in and out of
the HD feed as appropriate.

It's because of regional programming in the case of BBC 1, and regional
ads in the case of ITV and C4.

I agree, the viewer should be able to pick whatever EPG positions they
choose, but neither Freesat nor Sky allow that with their 'branded' boxes.

I think the sort of thing Silk is envisaging is the STB automatically
putting the HD channel in place of the normal SD channel (if it is an HD
box, of course). The box should then be able, in response to transmitted
cues, to automatically switch to and from the SD stream for regional
material.

While this might seem technically feasible the results could be clunky
because of the non-synchronisation of the SD and HD streams and
differences in coding delays in the box. Also because of the
corresponding SD and HD streams potentially being on different
transponders the box could need more than 2 tuners.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

Peter Duncanson wrote:

I think the sort of thing Silk is envisaging is the STB automatically
putting the HD channel in place of the normal SD channel (if it is an HD
box, of course). The box should then be able, in response to transmitted
cues, to automatically switch to and from the SD stream for regional
material.

While this might seem technically feasible the results could be clunky
because of the non-synchronisation of the SD and HD streams and
differences in coding delays in the box. Also because of the
corresponding SD and HD streams potentially being on different
transponders the box could need more than 2 tuners.

Yes. I spoke to ITV's then director of technology at an industry bash a
couple of years ago, and ITV did indeed consider the idea, but tests
revealed there was too much 'thrashing around' at the transition points,
so it was rejected.

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:41:33 +0100, Silk complained:

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff.

Remind me, what is the purpose of the Freeview EPG or mini channels list
available on all good digital receivers, or even the ability to set up
a favorites list with a few clicks of the button?

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:51:50 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

but tests revealed there was too much 'thrashing around' at the
transition points, so it was rejected.

Also is it not the case that if you want ITV-1 on hd rather than
SD, one tends to miss the winning goal? ;)

(Or did I misremember that?)

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On 19/04/2011 14:57, J G Miller wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:51:50 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

but tests revealed there was too much 'thrashing around' at the
transition points, so it was rejected.

Also is it not the case that if you want ITV-1 on hd rather than
SD, one tends to miss the winning goal? ;)

(Or did I misremember that?)

What's a winning goal and why should we care?

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On 19/04/2011 14:55, J G Miller wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:41:33 +0100, Silk complained:

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff.

Remind me, what is the purpose of the Freeview EPG or mini channels list
available on all good digital receivers, or even the ability to set up
a favorites list with a few clicks of the button?

There should be no need to faf about. If you select, say, 101 for BBC1,
you should expect that the best feed will be automatically selected. If
a Freesat box can't do this simple task, then there is no advantage over
a non-Freesat HD box.

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:59:27 +0100, Silk asked:

What's a winning goal

http://www.youtube.COM/watch?v=xdVn42-vOt8

and why should we care?

http://www.iranian.COM/main/2010/jul/why-should-we-care

WARNING: Above links to a page contains photograph which will
be emotionally disturbing to most people.

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On Tuesday, April 19th, 2011 at 15:04:27h +0100, Silk wrote:

If you select, say, 101 for BBC1, you should expect that the
best feed will be automatically selected.

But what is best for you may not be best for somebody else.

Consider the case of people who want to watch BBC-1 Northern Ireland,
BBC-1 Scotland, and BBC-1 Wales programs.

Why should the box not allow them to watch these programs on
LCN 101 and force them to watch the London program instead?

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

Silk wrote:
On 19/04/2011 14:55, J G Miller wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:41:33 +0100, Silk complained:

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff.

Remind me, what is the purpose of the Freeview EPG or mini channels list
available on all good digital receivers, or even the ability to set up
a favorites list with a few clicks of the button?

There should be no need to faf about. If you select, say, 101 for BBC1,
you should expect that the best feed will be automatically selected. If
a Freesat box can't do this simple task, then there is no advantage over
a non-Freesat HD box.


Is it so much more difficult to select 108 instead of 101? Whichever
channel you watch it's the same number of button presses.

--
Adrian

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

"J G Miller" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:59:27 +0100, Silk asked:

What's a winning goal

http://www.youtube.COM/watch?v=xdVn42-vOt8

and why should we care?

http://www.iranian.COM/main/2010/jul/why-should-we-care

WARNING: Above links to a page contains photograph which will
be emotionally disturbing to most people.

Not sure quite how your chain of thought took you there.
Not quite as emotionally disturbing, but most people, I guess, expected
this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjghz--qSMU

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On 19/04/2011 15:54, Adrian wrote:
Silk wrote:
On 19/04/2011 14:55, J G Miller wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:41:33 +0100, Silk complained:

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff.

Remind me, what is the purpose of the Freeview EPG or mini channels list
available on all good digital receivers, or even the ability to set up
a favorites list with a few clicks of the button?

There should be no need to faf about. If you select, say, 101 for
BBC1, you should expect that the best feed will be automatically
selected. If a Freesat box can't do this simple task, then there is no
advantage over a non-Freesat HD box.


Is it so much more difficult to select 108 instead of 101? Whichever
channel you watch it's the same number of button presses.


No need for three digits. a single '1' should be all that is needed to
select BBC1.


--
Michael Chare

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

In message , Silk
writes
On 19/04/2011 10:58, David wrote:
Hi
As expected it is 126.
Regards
David

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff. Why can't BBC1 HD be on 101, ITV1 HD on 103 etc. Complete bloody
shambles. Surely it's not beyond the technology to switch in and out of
the HD feed as appropriate.

I've just added it to Foxsat HDR "Favourites1", and moved it to where I
want it.

BBCHD - BBC1HD - BBC2 - ITV1HD - CH4HD - CH5 etc., exited (and saved).

I then pressed "OK", and once I've chosen "Favourites1", and changed
channel, I can press the "OK" button, see my "Favourites1" list and
select a channel.

Changing channel is two button presses.
--
Ian

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

"Michael Chare" [email protected] wrote in message
No need for three digits. a single '1' should be all that is needed to
select BBC1.


If that is possible then Freesat should use for HD programs,

1 for BBC1 or 001
3 for ITV1 003
4 for CH4 004
6 For BBC HD 006 (or similar)

This would have no effect on SD viewers with their SD box.

Regards
David

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On 19/04/2011 1:51 PM, Mark Carver wrote:
Peter Duncanson wrote:

I think the sort of thing Silk is envisaging is the STB automatically
putting the HD channel in place of the normal SD channel (if it is an HD
box, of course). The box should then be able, in response to transmitted
cues, to automatically switch to and from the SD stream for regional
material.
While this might seem technically feasible the results could be clunky
because of the non-synchronisation of the SD and HD streams and
differences in coding delays in the box. Also because of the
corresponding SD and HD streams potentially being on different
transponders the box could need more than 2 tuners.

Yes. I spoke to ITV's then director of technology at an industry bash a
couple of years ago, and ITV did indeed consider the idea, but tests
revealed there was too much 'thrashing around' at the transition points,
so it was rejected.



a good compromise is that when you are watching the SD channel, onscreen
comes ' press red for hd ' - and doing so causes a switch to the HD channel.
i'm pretty sure this has happened on the bbc at some point - but not often.




--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On 19/04/2011 16:01, Graham. wrote:
"J G wrote in message ...
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:59:27 +0100, Silk asked:

What's a winning goal

http://www.youtube.COM/watch?v=xdVn42-vOt8

and why should we care?

http://www.iranian.COM/main/2010/jul/why-should-we-care

WARNING: Above links to a page contains photograph which will
be emotionally disturbing to most people.

Not sure quite how your chain of thought took you there.
Not quite as emotionally disturbing, but most people, I guess, expected
this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjghz--qSMU

Still don't care.

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

the dog from that film you saw wrote:

a good compromise is that when you are watching the SD channel, onscreen
comes ' press red for hd ' - and doing so causes a switch to the HD
channel.
i'm pretty sure this has happened on the bbc at some point - but not often.

No, it was ITV HD on Freesat before they had an EPG position

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

Freesat Ch4 is 126
 

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:04:27 +0100, Silk wrote:

On 19/04/2011 14:55, J G Miller wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:41:33 +0100, Silk complained:

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff.

Remind me, what is the purpose of the Freeview EPG or mini channels list
available on all good digital receivers, or even the ability to set up
a favorites list with a few clicks of the button?

There should be no need to faf about. If you select, say, 101 for BBC1,
you should expect that the best feed will be automatically selected. If
a Freesat box can't do this simple task, then there is no advantage over
a non-Freesat HD box.

Freesat is a mess re. numbers. On Freeview I have BBCs 1 - 4, ITVs 1 - 4, 4
and 5 as nos. 1 - 10. Simples!
The only useful bit of Freesat numbering is having 100, 200, 300 etc. ranges
for genres.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway