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It is not possible to renew the TV licence online without including a
valid email address. If you try, you get a large red X and "You have 1
error on the page. Please enter a valid email address."

(This is from the form you have to complete online. It pops up when you
enter the "Email address" field.): By providing us with your email
address you consent to TV Licensing (the BBC and its agents) emailing
you in relation to TV Licensing. For full details, see our Privacy
Policy at the bottom of this page.

This is from the Privacy Policy:
Will we send emails and text messages to you? We will only send emails
and text messages to you if we have your consent to do so. However, the
type of consent required is different in each case.
When you have provided us with your email address, we will take this to
mean that you have consented to receive an email from us either
acknowledging or confirming fulfilment of your initial request or
transaction; and to occasionally receiving other purposeful emails from
us, such as reminders when your licence is due for renewal.

Nice little Catch 22, eh? You can't renew without an email address, and
once they've got it you can't change it (no matter what they say), and
they can use it for anything they want (What in hell is a "purposeful
email"?).

Another good reason to use disposable email addresses when dealing with
any government-related site.

--

Jeff

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"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...
It is not possible to renew the TV licence online without including a valid email address. If you try, you get a large red X and
"You have 1 error on the page. Please enter a valid email address."

(This is from the form you have to complete online. It pops up when you enter the "Email address" field.): By providing us with
your email address you consent to TV Licensing (the BBC and its agents) emailing you in relation to TV Licensing. For full
details, see our Privacy Policy at the bottom of this page.

This is from the Privacy Policy:
Will we send emails and text messages to you? We will only send emails and text messages to you if we have your consent to do so.
However, the type of consent required is different in each case.
When you have provided us with your email address, we will take this to mean that you have consented to receive an email from us
either acknowledging or confirming fulfilment of your initial request or transaction; and to occasionally receiving other
purposeful emails from us, such as reminders when your licence is due for renewal.

Nice little Catch 22, eh? You can't renew without an email address, and once they've got it you can't change it (no matter what
they say), and they can use it for anything they want (What in hell is a "purposeful email"?).

Another good reason to use disposable email addresses when dealing with any government-related site.

--

Jeff

I cand see how they can check the *validity* of an email addreess in real-time, I would
suggest it's simply checking that it has the correct *format* for it to possibly be one.
I suggest or

--
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%Profound_observation%

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:56:36 -0000, Graham. wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...
It is not possible to renew the TV licence online without including a valid email address. If you try, you get a large red X and
"You have 1 error on the page. Please enter a valid email address."

(This is from the form you have to complete online. It pops up when you enter the "Email address" field.): By providing us with
your email address you consent to TV Licensing (the BBC and its agents) emailing you in relation to TV Licensing. For full
details, see our Privacy Policy at the bottom of this page.

This is from the Privacy Policy:
Will we send emails and text messages to you? We will only send emails and text messages to you if we have your consent to do so.
However, the type of consent required is different in each case.
When you have provided us with your email address, we will take this to mean that you have consented to receive an email from us
either acknowledging or confirming fulfilment of your initial request or transaction; and to occasionally receiving other
purposeful emails from us, such as reminders when your licence is due for renewal.

Nice little Catch 22, eh? You can't renew without an email address, and once they've got it you can't change it (no matter what
they say), and they can use it for anything they want (What in hell is a "purposeful email"?).

Another good reason to use disposable email addresses when dealing with any government-related site.

--

Jeff

I cand see how they can check the *validity* of an email addreess in real-time, I would
suggest it's simply checking that it has the correct *format* for it to possibly be one.
I suggest or

Your IP address identifies your ISP. If the e-mail address doesn't match,
it is rejected.

I have some e-mail addresses on a Tiscali account based on dialling an 0845
number for access. I can download e-mails via my broadband account (which
is NOT Tiscali) but Tiscali won't allow me to post anything unless I use
the 0845 number. I can post using my broadband account using the correct
log-on for my ISP but the mail *appears* to come from Tiscali. Some
recipients - e.g.: my local council - won't accept these mails, so I have
to use the facity with care ...
--
Terry

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"Terry Casey" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:56:36 -0000, Graham. wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
...
It is not possible to renew the TV licence online without including a
valid email address. If you try, you get a large red X and
"You have 1 error on the page. Please enter a valid email address."

(This is from the form you have to complete online. It pops up when you
enter the "Email address" field.): By providing us with
your email address you consent to TV Licensing (the BBC and its agents)
emailing you in relation to TV Licensing. For full
details, see our Privacy Policy at the bottom of this page.

This is from the Privacy Policy:
Will we send emails and text messages to you? We will only send emails
and text messages to you if we have your consent to do so.
However, the type of consent required is different in each case.
When you have provided us with your email address, we will take this to
mean that you have consented to receive an email from us
either acknowledging or confirming fulfilment of your initial request or
transaction; and to occasionally receiving other
purposeful emails from us, such as reminders when your licence is due
for renewal.

Nice little Catch 22, eh? You can't renew without an email address, and
once they've got it you can't change it (no matter what
they say), and they can use it for anything they want (What in hell is
a "purposeful email"?).

Another good reason to use disposable email addresses when dealing with
any government-related site.

I cand see how they can check the *validity* of an email addreess in
real-time, I would
suggest it's simply checking that it has the correct *format* for it to
possibly be one.
I suggest or

Your IP address identifies your ISP. If the e-mail address doesn't match,
it is rejected.

I've used a Bigfoot address to renew my TV licence without any problems.

--
Max Demian

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Terry Casey wrote:

Your IP address identifies your ISP. If the e-mail address doesn't match,
it is rejected.

Surely that's not right? My ISP is BT Internet, but my email address
belongs to my own domain. There is no connection between my email
address and BT Internet. Even my SMTP/POP3 server is on my own domain.

SteveT

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"Terry Casey" wrote in message
.. .
Your IP address identifies your ISP. If the e-mail address doesn't match,
it is rejected.

I have some e-mail addresses on a Tiscali account based on dialling an
0845
number for access. I can download e-mails via my broadband account (which
is NOT Tiscali) but Tiscali won't allow me to post anything unless I use
the 0845 number. I can post using my broadband account using the correct
log-on for my ISP but the mail *appears* to come from Tiscali. Some
recipients - e.g.: my local council - won't accept these mails, so I have
to use the facity with care ...

The above is total nonsense.
--
JohnT

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Purposeful, well presumably this means for a purpose.

So it stops them sending emails for no purpose, like Hi its a nice day
innit.

Brian

--
Brian Gaff -
Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name may be lost.
Blind user, so no pictures please!
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
...
It is not possible to renew the TV licence online without including a
valid email address. If you try, you get a large red X and "You have 1
error on the page. Please enter a valid email address."

(This is from the form you have to complete online. It pops up when you
enter the "Email address" field.): By providing us with your email address
you consent to TV Licensing (the BBC and its agents) emailing you in
relation to TV Licensing. For full details, see our Privacy Policy at the
bottom of this page.

This is from the Privacy Policy:
Will we send emails and text messages to you? We will only send emails
and text messages to you if we have your consent to do so. However, the
type of consent required is different in each case.
When you have provided us with your email address, we will take this to
mean that you have consented to receive an email from us either
acknowledging or confirming fulfilment of your initial request or
transaction; and to occasionally receiving other purposeful emails from
us, such as reminders when your licence is due for renewal.

Nice little Catch 22, eh? You can't renew without an email address, and
once they've got it you can't change it (no matter what they say), and
they can use it for anything they want (What in hell is a "purposeful
email"?).

Another good reason to use disposable email addresses when dealing with
any government-related site.

--

Jeff

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:45:33 +0000, Terry Casey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:56:36 -0000, Graham. wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...
It is not possible to renew the TV licence online without including a valid email address. If you try, you get a large red X and
"You have 1 error on the page. Please enter a valid email address."

(This is from the form you have to complete online. It pops up when you enter the "Email address" field.): By providing us with
your email address you consent to TV Licensing (the BBC and its agents) emailing you in relation to TV Licensing. For full
details, see our Privacy Policy at the bottom of this page.

This is from the Privacy Policy:
Will we send emails and text messages to you? We will only send emails and text messages to you if we have your consent to do so.
However, the type of consent required is different in each case.
When you have provided us with your email address, we will take this to mean that you have consented to receive an email from us
either acknowledging or confirming fulfilment of your initial request or transaction; and to occasionally receiving other
purposeful emails from us, such as reminders when your licence is due for renewal.

Nice little Catch 22, eh? You can't renew without an email address, and once they've got it you can't change it (no matter what
they say), and they can use it for anything they want (What in hell is a "purposeful email"?).

Another good reason to use disposable email addresses when dealing with any government-related site.

--

Jeff

I cand see how they can check the *validity* of an email addreess in real-time, I would
suggest it's simply checking that it has the correct *format* for it to possibly be one.
I suggest or

Your IP address identifies your ISP. If the e-mail address doesn't match,
it is rejected.

No, there's no need for your ISPs IP address and email address to match.

I have a personal domain, which gets all my email. It is completely seperate
from my ISP and it is impossible to ascertain one from the other.
And yes, you can change the email address they hold on record.

Anyway, these days you really shouldn't limit yourself to only having
one single email address.



--
http://thisreallyismyhost.99k.org/14...9470531126.php

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On 14/01/2011 10:02, pete wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:45:33 +0000, Terry Casey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:56:36 -0000, Graham. wrote:

"Jeff wrote in message ...
It is not possible to renew the TV licence online without including a valid email address. If you try, you get a large red X and
"You have 1 error on the page. Please enter a valid email address."

(This is from the form you have to complete online. It pops up when you enter the "Email address" field.): By providing us with
your email address you consent to TV Licensing (the BBC and its agents) emailing you in relation to TV Licensing. For full
details, see our Privacy Policy at the bottom of this page.

This is from the Privacy Policy:
Will we send emails and text messages to you? We will only send emails and text messages to you if we have your consent to do so.
However, the type of consent required is different in each case.
When you have provided us with your email address, we will take this to mean that you have consented to receive an email from us
either acknowledging or confirming fulfilment of your initial request or transaction; and to occasionally receiving other
purposeful emails from us, such as reminders when your licence is due for renewal.

Nice little Catch 22, eh? You can't renew without an email address, and once they've got it you can't change it (no matter what
they say), and they can use it for anything they want (What in hell is a "purposeful email"?).

Another good reason to use disposable email addresses when dealing with any government-related site.

--

Jeff

I cand see how they can check the *validity* of an email addreess in real-time, I would
suggest it's simply checking that it has the correct *format* for it to possibly be one.
I suggest or

Your IP address identifies your ISP. If the e-mail address doesn't match,
it is rejected.

No, there's no need for your ISPs IP address and email address to match.

I have a personal domain, which gets all my email. It is completely seperate
from my ISP and it is impossible to ascertain one from the other.
And yes, you can change the email address they hold on record.

Nope. Won't accept my email address as the correct one they have on
record (which they say they need as a security measure before allowing
it to be changed). It must be correct as that's the address they sent
their confirmation to.

And as for "contacting" them to resolve any problems? It's just an "Ask
Jeeves" type of query answering system. No one to email to ask a question.

--

Jeff

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Your IP address identifies your ISP. If the e-mail address doesn't match,
it is rejected.

I have some e-mail addresses on a Tiscali account based on dialling an
0845
number for access. I can download e-mails via my broadband account (which
is NOT Tiscali) but Tiscali won't allow me to post anything unless I use
the 0845 number. I can post using my broadband account using the correct
log-on for my ISP but the mail *appears* to come from Tiscali. Some
recipients - e.g.: my local council - won't accept these mails, so I have
to use the facity with care ...
--
Terry


No it does not.

My ISPs and my email addresses are totally separate and mutually exclusive
and redundant of each other.

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In article ,
Terry Casey wrote:

Some
recipients - e.g.: my local council - won't accept these mails, so I have
to use the facity with care ...

The above is total nonsense.

So this can't happen then?
....
Remote-MTA: dns; rhea.easily.co.uk (212.53.64.82)
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 "Mail from tiscali.co.uk is denied from host
81.103.221.58 SPF"

SPF is a mechamism whereby the owner of a domain can tell the world
to reject mail from it unless it comes from an approved IP source.
This, of course, is an attempt to prevent forged spam.

Tiscali has told the world only to accept tiscali.co.uk from certain
addresses:

richard$ nslookup -q=txt tiscali.co.uk
....
tiscali.co.uk text = "v=spf1 mx ip4:212.74.100.0/24 ip4:212.74.96.0/24 ip4:212.74.112.0/24 ip4:212.74.114.0/24 ptr:mail.uk.tiscali.com include:as9105.com include:msgfocus.com include:opaltelecom.net -all"

Not all ISPs implement SPF, but if the ISP of the recipient does then
you won't be able to send them mail except through Tiscali's server.
You may be able to set your mailer to send mail that way even on your
(presumably NTL/Virgin) broadband account, supplying a password for
authentication.

-- Richard

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:19:23 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 14/01/2011 10:02, pete wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:45:33 +0000, Terry Casey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:56:36 -0000, Graham. wrote:

"Jeff wrote in message ...
It is not possible to renew the TV licence online without including a valid email address. If you try, you get a large red X and
"You have 1 error on the page. Please enter a valid email address."

(This is from the form you have to complete online. It pops up when you enter the "Email address" field.): By providing us with
your email address you consent to TV Licensing (the BBC and its agents) emailing you in relation to TV Licensing. For full
details, see our Privacy Policy at the bottom of this page.

This is from the Privacy Policy:
Will we send emails and text messages to you? We will only send emails and text messages to you if we have your consent to do so.
However, the type of consent required is different in each case.
When you have provided us with your email address, we will take this to mean that you have consented to receive an email from us
either acknowledging or confirming fulfilment of your initial request or transaction; and to occasionally receiving other
purposeful emails from us, such as reminders when your licence is due for renewal.

Nice little Catch 22, eh? You can't renew without an email address, and once they've got it you can't change it (no matter what
they say), and they can use it for anything they want (What in hell is a "purposeful email"?).

Another good reason to use disposable email addresses when dealing with any government-related site.

--

Jeff

I cand see how they can check the *validity* of an email addreess in real-time, I would
suggest it's simply checking that it has the correct *format* for it to possibly be one.
I suggest or

Your IP address identifies your ISP. If the e-mail address doesn't match,
it is rejected.

No, there's no need for your ISPs IP address and email address to match.

I have a personal domain, which gets all my email. It is completely seperate
from my ISP and it is impossible to ascertain one from the other.
And yes, you can change the email address they hold on record.

Nope. Won't accept my email address as the correct one they have on
record (which they say they need as a security measure before allowing
it to be changed). It must be correct as that's the address they sent
their confirmation to.

How peculiar!. I've had fx: greps through email records 1 ... 2 ... 3
three different email addresses that TVL have sent receipts and reminders
to, since I started applying for the licence online in 2005.

--
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In article , Graham.
writes

I suggest or

*cough* ITYM

--
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(='.'=)
(")_(")

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On 13/01/2011 22:45, Terry Casey wrote:


Your IP address identifies your ISP. If the e-mail address doesn't match,
it is rejected.


Sorry, that's ********.

e-mail addresses are not tied to ISPs.

Plenty of people use 3rd party mail providers, or run their own domains.

--
Ron

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:03:56 +0000, Ron Lowe wrote:

On 13/01/2011 22:45, Terry Casey wrote:


Your IP address identifies your ISP. If the e-mail address doesn't match,
it is rejected.


Sorry, that's ********.

e-mail addresses are not tied to ISPs.

Plenty of people use 3rd party mail providers, or run their own domains.

Indeed. I have email addresses using my own domains. Any email I send
using SMTP has to go via my ISP's SMTP server but the From and Reply-to
adresses are not connected with my ISP. Incoming email is handled by a
3rd-party server and does not go through my ISP's email system.

It is possible to use a web email interface in which case the ISP's
email servers are not involved at all.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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"Terry Casey" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:56:36 -0000, Graham. wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
...
It is not possible to renew the TV licence online without including a
valid email address. If you try, you get a large red X and
"You have 1 error on the page. Please enter a valid email address."

(This is from the form you have to complete online. It pops up when you
enter the "Email address" field.): By providing us with
your email address you consent to TV Licensing (the BBC and its agents)
emailing you in relation to TV Licensing. For full
details, see our Privacy Policy at the bottom of this page.

This is from the Privacy Policy:
Will we send emails and text messages to you? We will only send emails
and text messages to you if we have your consent to do so.
However, the type of consent required is different in each case.
When you have provided us with your email address, we will take this to
mean that you have consented to receive an email from us
either acknowledging or confirming fulfilment of your initial request or
transaction; and to occasionally receiving other
purposeful emails from us, such as reminders when your licence is due
for renewal.

Nice little Catch 22, eh? You can't renew without an email address, and
once they've got it you can't change it (no matter what
they say), and they can use it for anything they want (What in hell is
a "purposeful email"?).

Another good reason to use disposable email addresses when dealing with
any government-related site.

--

Jeff

I cand see how they can check the *validity* of an email addreess in
real-time, I would
suggest it's simply checking that it has the correct *format* for it to
possibly be one.
I suggest or

Your IP address identifies your ISP. If the e-mail address doesn't match,
it is rejected.

I haven't used the email addresses provided by my ISP for years.
If that is how it works they are total idiots who haven't a clue what
they're doing.

--

Brian Gregory. (In the UK)

To email me remove the letter vee.