Humax Freeview PVR 9300
 

My friends want a PVR, and I'm thinking of suggesting the Humax 9300.
Does anyone have this and can confirm that Humax have got "Accurate
Record" right in this model? It claims Freeview+ so it should do!

Richard

Humax Freeview PVR 9300
 

"Dickie Mint" wrote in message
...
My friends want a PVR, and I'm thinking of suggesting the Humax 9300. Does
anyone have this and can confirm that Humax have got "Accurate Record"
right in this model? It claims Freeview+ so it should do!

I understand it's no better than the 9200T, i.e. usually OK but sometimes
misses 30 seconds or so off the beginning of the programme.

--
Max Demian

Humax Freeview PVR 9300
 

Max Demian wrote:

I understand it's no better than the 9200T, i.e. usually OK but sometimes
misses 30 seconds or so off the beginning of the programme.

The problem is it relies on the start and stop signals from the
broadcaster, and it isn't easy to know how reliable they are. It seems
to vary from channel to channel.

SteveT

Humax Freeview PVR 9300
 

"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
...
Max Demian wrote:

I understand it's no better than the 9200T, i.e. usually OK but sometimes
misses 30 seconds or so off the beginning of the programme.

The problem is it relies on the start and stop signals from the
broadcaster, and it isn't easy to know how reliable they are. It seems to
vary from channel to channel.

It's also been suggested that the Humax doesn't poll the signals often
enough.

--
Max Demian

Humax Freeview PVR 9300
 

On 13/01/2011 13:17, Max Demian wrote:
"Steve wrote in message
...
Max Demian wrote:

I understand it's no better than the 9200T, i.e. usually OK but sometimes
misses 30 seconds or so off the beginning of the programme.

The problem is it relies on the start and stop signals from the
broadcaster, and it isn't easy to know how reliable they are. It seems to
vary from channel to channel.

It's also been suggested that the Humax doesn't poll the signals often
enough.

The original problem with the 9200 was that Humax did not build in a
"fail safe" mechanism to start the recording. Sony, for example, use
the Now/Next start time if the "Accurate Record" signal is not received.

There is a flag toggled in the tables to indicate the start of
programme. A old post of mine detailed all the gen I could glean at the
time. If the broadcaster failed to send the start of programme flag, or
the 9200 missed it, then the start time of the programme was missed or
delayed.

I'd hoped that humax had sorted out that bug. The Freeview+ spec
requires an accurate start time?

Richard

Humax Freeview PVR 9300
 

"Dickie Mint" wrote in message
...
On 13/01/2011 13:17, Max Demian wrote:
"Steve wrote in message
...
Max Demian wrote:

I understand it's no better than the 9200T, i.e. usually OK but
sometimes
misses 30 seconds or so off the beginning of the programme.

The problem is it relies on the start and stop signals from the
broadcaster, and it isn't easy to know how reliable they are. It seems
to
vary from channel to channel.

It's also been suggested that the Humax doesn't poll the signals often
enough.

The original problem with the 9200 was that Humax did not build in a "fail
safe" mechanism to start the recording. Sony, for example, use the
Now/Next start time if the "Accurate Record" signal is not received.

Is the "now/next" time the same as what puts up the i-plate info? I've
noticed that that seems to get put up at the scheduled time regardless of
the actual start time.

--
Max Demian

Humax Freeview PVR 9300
 

On 13/01/2011 18:52, Dickie Mint wrote:
On 13/01/2011 13:17, Max Demian wrote:
"Steve wrote in message
...
Max Demian wrote:

I understand it's no better than the 9200T, i.e. usually OK but
sometimes
misses 30 seconds or so off the beginning of the programme.

The problem is it relies on the start and stop signals from the
broadcaster, and it isn't easy to know how reliable they are. It
seems to
vary from channel to channel.

It's also been suggested that the Humax doesn't poll the signals often
enough.

The original problem with the 9200 was that Humax did not build in a
"fail safe" mechanism to start the recording. Sony, for example, use the
Now/Next start time if the "Accurate Record" signal is not received.

There is a flag toggled in the tables to indicate the start of
programme. A old post of mine detailed all the gen I could glean at the
time. If the broadcaster failed to send the start of programme flag, or
the 9200 missed it, then the start time of the programme was missed or
delayed.

I'd hoped that humax had sorted out that bug. The Freeview+ spec
requires an accurate start time?

But how could the Humax know if the start signal had been missed or was
just late (ie acting as intended) because a previous programme had overrun?

Assume a programme is due to start at 1900 (after the news) and finish
at 2000, but because of something special the news goes on until 1915.
Does the Humax start its recording at 1900 or 1915? When does it stop
recording? What happens to programmes on the same channel scheduled for
recording at 2000, 2030, 2130, etc? Does the Humax start all of these
early and finish them early?

I can't see how you get round this as the systems are mutually
incompatible (despite Sony trying!). You either have Accurate Record or
you don't. You can't mix them.

--

Jeff

Humax Freeview PVR 9300
 

On 14/01/2011 09:59, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 13/01/2011 18:52, Dickie Mint wrote:
On 13/01/2011 13:17, Max Demian wrote:
"Steve wrote in message
...
Max Demian wrote:

I understand it's no better than the 9200T, i.e. usually OK but
sometimes
misses 30 seconds or so off the beginning of the programme.

The problem is it relies on the start and stop signals from the
broadcaster, and it isn't easy to know how reliable they are. It
seems to
vary from channel to channel.

It's also been suggested that the Humax doesn't poll the signals often
enough.

The original problem with the 9200 was that Humax did not build in a
"fail safe" mechanism to start the recording. Sony, for example, use the
Now/Next start time if the "Accurate Record" signal is not received.

There is a flag toggled in the tables to indicate the start of
programme. A old post of mine detailed all the gen I could glean at the
time. If the broadcaster failed to send the start of programme flag, or
the 9200 missed it, then the start time of the programme was missed or
delayed.

I'd hoped that humax had sorted out that bug. The Freeview+ spec
requires an accurate start time?

But how could the Humax know if the start signal had been missed or was
just late (ie acting as intended) because a previous programme had overrun?

Assume a programme is due to start at 1900 (after the news) and finish
at 2000, but because of something special the news goes on until 1915.
Does the Humax start its recording at 1900 or 1915? When does it stop
recording? What happens to programmes on the same channel scheduled for
recording at 2000, 2030, 2130, etc? Does the Humax start all of these
early and finish them early?

I can't see how you get round this as the systems are mutually
incompatible (despite Sony trying!). You either have Accurate Record or
you don't. You can't mix them.

In essence, there is a "next programme has started" flag sent, this is
what Accurate Record is looking for.

The Now/Next table effectively contains an exact programme start/end
time as well as the displayed one.

There's a blurb on the net that gives all the gory detail. Try googling
something like ETSI DVB...

Richarfd