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Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)

TIA
--
Regards
Dave Saville

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Dave Saville wrote:
Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)

TIA
Best way is to project the image and photograph it. I can give you
details if you like.

Bill

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On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 16:30:33 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Dave Saville wrote:
Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)

TIA
The Lidl GBP35 one was unevenly lit, noisy, oversaturated by miles
and could not focus the whole frame at once. Otherwise it was fine.
I took it back.

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"Dave Saville" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)


I've owned an Epson Perfection 1670 flat bed scanner for several years now,
it has a built in negative and slide adapter facility which gives extremely
satisfactory results on both 35mm negatives and transparencies and also
includes some good comprehensive software, incorporating features such as
dpi, colour correction, gamma, descreening, etc.
Last week my friend brought over something called a 'Traveller TV 6600 film
scanner with five megapixel' for me to try out, all I can say if it's
anything like that then don't touch it with a bargepole, compared to the
Epson the particular specimen I tested was a joke.

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On 01/01/2011 21:15, Rick wrote:

"Dave Saville" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)


I've owned an Epson Perfection 1670 flat bed scanner for several years
now, it has a built in negative and slide adapter facility which gives
extremely satisfactory results on both 35mm negatives and transparencies
and also includes some good comprehensive software, incorporating
features such as dpi, colour correction, gamma, descreening, etc.
Last week my friend brought over something called a 'Traveller TV 6600
film scanner with five megapixel' for me to try out, all I can say if
it's anything like that then don't touch it with a bargepole, compared
to the Epson the particular specimen I tested was a joke.

Except that the Epson scanner needs to be connected to a PC running at
recent-ish version of Windoze (at a guess, W98 as an absolute minimum) -
which the OP doesn't have.

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"Roger Mills" wrote in message
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On 01/01/2011 21:15, Rick wrote:
"Dave Saville" wrote in message
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snip
Except that the Epson scanner needs to be connected to a PC running at
recent-ish version of Windoze (at a guess, W98 as an absolute minimum) -
which the OP doesn't have.
Cheers,
Roger


You mean there's someone outside central Africa who hasn't been able
to rummage around in an office dump to pick out a PC running XP?!

Get him to invest 20quid on a used PC made after 2000

Steve Terry
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On 01/01/2011 16:21, Dave Saville wrote:
Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)

TIA

That's TWO OS/2 users out here on usenet...

It was a reasonable system. Was. Unless you want to keep having these
kind of problems you're going to have to get something else one day.

You could of course try to find Bob Eager, he's here somewhere.

Andy
Happy Epson 1670 user.

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"Roger Mills" wrote in message
...
On 01/01/2011 21:15, Rick wrote:

"Dave Saville" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)


I've owned an Epson Perfection 1670 flat bed scanner for several years
now, it has a built in negative and slide adapter facility which gives
extremely satisfactory results on both 35mm negatives and transparencies
and also includes some good comprehensive software, incorporating
features such as dpi, colour correction, gamma, descreening, etc.
Last week my friend brought over something called a 'Traveller TV 6600
film scanner with five megapixel' for me to try out, all I can say if
it's anything like that then don't touch it with a bargepole, compared
to the Epson the particular specimen I tested was a joke.

Except that the Epson scanner needs to be connected to a PC running at
recent-ish version of Windoze (at a guess, W98 as an absolute minimum) -
which the OP doesn't have.



I was simply giving my assessment of the comparison I found between my Epson
1670 flat bed scanner and one of those cheapish film slide scanners, loaned
to me by a friend, which I presume is going to give equally as poor
performance on whatever OS it manages to run on.

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On Saturday, January 1st, 2011 at 22:33:44h +0000, Java Jive wrote:

You could put a toe in the water by trying out a live cd.

Good advice.

One of, if not the best "Live CD" for hardware detection is Knoppix.

http://www.knoppix.NET/

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On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:21:38 +0000 (UTC), "Dave Saville"
wrote:

Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)

TIA

With a little bit of ingenuity and a digital camera you can do it
yourself. Most cameras have macro, on a cloudy day, blue tak slide
to inside window, put white paper on OUTSIDE of window for diffusion,
also so that the camera does not photograph the paper surface. Take
picture.

Have done this with great results, and most newer cameras will have
better resolution than the 5.1 that these slide copiers offer.

With a bit more ingenuity you could make up a mount, and use camera on
tripod.

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On 01/01/2011 16:21, Dave Saville wrote:
Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)

TIA
Go with Bill's suggestion. The results will be miles better.
I copied some 8mm film that way. Project onto a screen and tape the
results with a camcorder. The results were excellent, especially with
the commentary that the family added.
Dave
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On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:30:33 UTC, Bill Wright wrote:

Dave Saville wrote:
Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)

TIA
Best way is to project the image and photograph it. I can give you
details if you like.

Bill

Please.

--
Regards
Dave Saville

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On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:33:44 UTC, Java Jive
wrote:

Dual-boot with Linux? Linux is usually quite good for old drivers,
that is assuming that drivers for the hardware were ever written in
the first place. Often they are, sometimes they are not.

You could put a toe in the water by trying out a live cd.

I have a linux laptop - but I don't really want *another* scanner. I
have a good SCSI one that does work on OS/2. The mistake I made was
not buying the slide attachment for it when it was new :-(
--
Regards
Dave Saville

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Dave Saville wrote:

I don't really want *another* scanner. I
have a good SCSI one [] The mistake I made was
not buying the slide attachment for it when it was new

eBay?

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On Sunday, January 2nd, 2011 at 14:48:21h +0000, Dave Saville wrote:

The mistake I made was not buying the slide attachment
for it when it was new :-(

Do you check eBay (or similar sites) from time to time to see if anybody
is selling one "pre-owned"?

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On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:14:14 UTC, J G Miller wrote:

On Sunday, January 2nd, 2011 at 14:48:21h +0000, Dave Saville wrote:

The mistake I made was not buying the slide attachment
for it when it was new :-(

Do you check eBay (or similar sites) from time to time to see if anybody
is selling one "pre-owned"?


No - I think I might try Bill's idea of projecting and re
photographing - when he posts his "how to" :-)

--
Regards
Dave Saville

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Dave Saville wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:30:33 UTC, Bill Wright wrote:

Dave Saville wrote:
Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)

TIA
Best way is to project the image and photograph it. I can give you
details if you like.

Bill

Please.

Take care to get the projector dead square on to the screen. Obviously
it must be opposite the midpoint of the projected picture.

Project at a reasonable distance (I found 2m best. That gave an image
about 1m across.)

If the picture on the screen is out of focus at the edges stop the lens
down if it will. If not consider a home made aperture stop -- a matt
black washer-shaped piece of aluminium (etc) immediately behind the
lens. Card will catch fire!

Slide popping is a problem. Auto focus helps of course.

If it's a zoom lens on the projector find a focal length where
pincushion-type distortion is at a minimum and the illumination is most
equal. This likely to be at about the middle of the zoom range.
If the projector gives uneven illumination across the picture you'll
never get good results.

Mount the camera as close as possible to being on the same axis as the
projector. A good way is to put the projector on a table and put the
camera on a tripod so it's immediately above the projector. That needs a
Benbo-type tripod though. I suppose you could use a shelf unit for
projector and camera. Although you can theoretically have the camera and
projector at different distances from the screen I find it's easier to
have them one above the other.

If the camera has a zoom lens (only) find a focal length where
pincushion-type distortion is at a minimum. This likely to be at about
the middle of the zoom range. It it works out wrong for the filling the
screen you might have to fiddle with the projector zoom or the distances.

Set the camera to the highest resolution and minimum compression feasible.

If the camera has a PAL output it can be useful to monitor it on a telly.

Experiment to find out if the viewfinder is accurate.

Allow a small border around the slides; trim it off later.

Take the shots with absolutely no extraneous lights on. Total darkness.
Minimise reflections from screen to walls/ceiling and back again as
these reduce the depth of the blacks unevenly.

Auto exposure will probably be OK. Experiment with spot, general, etc
settings. Slides vary a lot in density so exposure adjustment is
constant if on manual. If the camera has a contrast setting consider
putting it on low to give more exposure latitude, then correct in
Photoshop. Also consider exposure bracketing, plus or minus one stop.
It's important that you capture the full dynamic range of the slide. If
this means that the results look flat use Photoshop's controls to
correct. The worst thing is to have the highlights burnt out or the
shadows black.

For copying colour, project nothing (white screen) and set the camera's
colour balance accordingly. If the camera won't do that try the settings
for tungsten light. There will probably be several. Ultimately, correct
balance in Photoshop, but get it as good as you can in the camera first.

Use a long exposure and a small aperture. Depth of field is important,
surprisingly.

Even monochrome originals look better if copied in colour. You can
always convert to mono or sepia later.

Have a short session then assess the results critically.

Hope this helps.

Bill

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Dave Saville wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:14:14 UTC, J G Miller wrote:

On Sunday, January 2nd, 2011 at 14:48:21h +0000, Dave Saville wrote:

The mistake I made was not buying the slide attachment
for it when it was new :-(
Do you check eBay (or similar sites) from time to time to see if anybody
is selling one "pre-owned"?


No - I think I might try Bill's idea of projecting and re
photographing - when he posts his "how to" :-)

It's done, it's done!

Bill

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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 16:30:33 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Dave Saville wrote:
Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)

TIA
The Lidl GBP35 one was unevenly lit, noisy, oversaturated by miles
and could not focus the whole frame at once. Otherwise it was fine.
I took it back.

I use a Canon CanoScan 4400F flatbed scanner with negative and slide feature
built in. Great results

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Bill Wright wrote (apparently) in uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun 02 Jan
2011 19:00:38:

Dave Saville wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:30:33 UTC, Bill Wright
wrote:

Dave Saville wrote:
Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that
the like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type
that records to SD card. No way will I find drivers for a
connected one for my old OS/2 system. :-)

TIA
Best way is to project the image and photograph it. I can give
you details if you like.

Bill

Please.

Take care to get the projector dead square on to the screen.
Obviously it must be opposite the midpoint of the projected
picture.

[Snipped...]

Bill

Bill, thanks for that. Some good tips I may well need later in the
year to do something with things I've inherited.

Couple of things I've noted with a couple of cameras I've used.
Some Canon models can be connected to the PC and controlled
remotely, including taking the shot - once the settings are right
it's fairly easy to get through a number of shots like this. An
external power supply might be useful for this though.

Also when taking the shots, even if the camera is tripod-mounted,
if there is a self-timer setting, this will prevent any camera
shake from pressing the shutter button down fully. I tried some
long exposure night-time shots recently and the 2 second self-timer
delay was very handy.


Regards and Happy New Year to all.
--
MrGuest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere

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Mr Guest wrote:

Also when taking the shots, even if the camera is tripod-mounted,
if there is a self-timer setting, this will prevent any camera
shake from pressing the shutter button down fully. I tried some
long exposure night-time shots recently and the 2 second self-timer
delay was very handy.

Yes, a good point which I forgot! I generally use the self timer.

Bill

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In article , Bill Wright
Take care to get the projector dead square on to the screen. Obviously
it must be opposite the midpoint of the projected picture.

snip fro brevity

For copying colour, project nothing (white screen) and set the camera's
colour balance accordingly. If the camera won't do that try the
settings for tungsten light. There will probably be several.
Ultimately, correct balance in Photoshop, but get it as good as you can
in the camera first.

All of which is fine for slides, however you need more than in-camera
colour balance and Photoshop to cope with colour negatives, due to the
deep orange base. The dynamic range of even the best digital cameras
just isn't enough to accommodate that and yield even mediocre colour and
tonal range after inversion. You need to use a very deep cyan-ish blue,
ideally adjustable density, filter on the camera to correct for the
orange mask before the image gets recorded on the digicam's sensor and
even then the results are a bit hit and miss.

Basically the same thing as you had to do on a colour enlarger when
making prints from negs, although colour paper was already more
sensitive to blue (which is one reason why the orange mask was there in
the first place).

However, if you want to do the job properly, get one of the later
versions of Nikon Coolscan Scanner (4000/V/5000/8000/9000), with "ICE" -
a separate infrared channel is used which is mainly transmitted by the
film. The software automatically compares this channel with the RGB
channels to identify and clone out any scratches or dust - saving hours
in Photoshop on each image. Like the best kit, they don't make 'em
anymore, but you can still pick them up on Ebay and sell them there (for
a loss of pennies if not a profit) after you have scanned all your film.
--
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A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed.
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:22:45 UTC, Bill Wright wrote:

Dave Saville wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:14:14 UTC, J G Miller wrote:

On Sunday, January 2nd, 2011 at 14:48:21h +0000, Dave Saville wrote:

The mistake I made was not buying the slide attachment
for it when it was new :-(
Do you check eBay (or similar sites) from time to time to see if anybody
is selling one "pre-owned"?


No - I think I might try Bill's idea of projecting and re
photographing - when he posts his "how to" :-)

It's done, it's done!

Bill

Thanks Bill
--
Regards
Dave Saville

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On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:21:38 +0000 (UTC), "Dave Saville"
wrote:

Anyone had experiance of the 35mm film and slide scanners that the
like of Maplins sell? Looking for a self containd type that records to
SD card. No way will I find drivers for a connected one for my old
OS/2 system. :-)

TIA

Yes, the ION2PC unit I got from Maplin doesn't give a full intensity
scan across the full area so the light falls off at the edges and corners.