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Tim Downie[_3_] December 7th 10 03:16 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview boxes
(that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly lady to
select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel selector buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote controls &
the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the output of two
freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could be combined, it
would go so way to restoring her ability to watch television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return to the
last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they remember the last
channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.

Tim


Paul D Smith[_2_] December 7th 10 04:05 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview boxes
(that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly lady to
select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel selector
buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote controls &
the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the output of two
freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could be combined, it
would go so way to restoring her ability to watch television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return to
the last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they remember the
last channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.

Tim


I'd be tempted to buy here a cheap freeview TV and a "big remote". There
are various of the "big" remotes around.

Paul DS.


J G Miller[_4_] December 7th 10 04:53 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
On Tuesday, December 7th, 2010 at 15:05:13h +0000, Paul D Smith suggested:

I'd be tempted to buy here a cheap freeview TV and a "big remote".
There are various of the "big" remotes around.


And to do it before the increase in VAT in January 2011.

Ian Jackson[_2_] December 7th 10 05:10 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
In message , Paul D Smith
writes
"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview
boxes (that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly
lady to select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel
selector buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote
controls & the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the
output of two freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could
be combined, it would go so way to restoring her ability to watch
television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return
to the last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they
remember the last channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.

Tim


I'd be tempted to buy here a cheap freeview TV and a "big remote".
There are various of the "big" remotes around.

I can't disagree. However, the direct answer to the question is that you
need to ensure that both Freeview boxes actually have UHF modulators
(quite rare these days), and that both of the UHF channels are set well
out of the way of the bypassed off-air channels (which will eventually
be only the digital). All obvious stuff.

The two UHF outputs can be combined easily using a 2-way splitter, in
reverse.

However, the two sets of bypassed channels will be on the same
frequencies, but because they are arriving by two different routes, when
they combine, they will tend to interfere with each other (possibly
seriously). As a result, they will themselves be unusable for tuning
directly on the TV set (even if you switch one STB to standby) -
although you might be able to use them if you switched off at the
mains). However, as the elderly lady won't need them, this won't be a
problem.

But this is indeed a messy solution. As suggested, it would be better
(and not much dearer) to get a Freeview TV set, and teach the elderly
lady how top use it - with a different remote control, if necessary.
--
Ian

Dave Plowman (News) December 7th 10 05:40 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
In article ,
Tim Downie wrote:
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview
boxes (that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly
lady to select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel
selector buttons?


She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote controls
& the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the output of two
freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could be combined, it
would go so way to restoring her ability to watch television.


If she still has the sort of TV where you have channel selection buttons
on the front of it - how long will it last?

But yes, if you have two Freeview boxes with RF outputs that can be set to
different channels and the TV tuned into those, it should work. You'd need
a combiner.

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Steve Terry[_2_] December 7th 10 05:52 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview boxes
(that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly lady to
select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel selector
buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote controls &
the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the output of two
freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could be combined, it
would go so way to restoring her ability to watch television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return to
the last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they remember the
last channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.
Tim

If the TV has two scart sockets feed one DVBT box into Scart1,
and the other into Scart2
Then all she has to do is switch between EXT1 and EXT2 which on most
TVs are the first two channels below channel 1

Steve Terry
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fred December 7th 10 05:57 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes
In article ,
Tim Downie wrote:
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview
boxes (that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly
lady to select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel
selector buttons?


She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote controls
& the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the output of two
freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could be combined, it
would go so way to restoring her ability to watch television.


If she still has the sort of TV where you have channel selection buttons
on the front of it - how long will it last?

But yes, if you have two Freeview boxes with RF outputs that can be set to
different channels and the TV tuned into those, it should work. You'd need
a combiner.

Daisy chaining sounds a better bet.

All the boxes I have had will come back up on the same channel they went
off in (when taken out of standby) but don't forget the inevitable
crashes that appear to afflict freeview STBs, someone will need to
recover them back to the right channel after those.
--
fred
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Tim Downie[_3_] December 7th 10 06:28 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ...
In article ,
Tim Downie wrote:
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview
boxes (that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly
lady to select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel
selector buttons?


She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote controls
& the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the output of two
freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could be combined, it
would go so way to restoring her ability to watch television.


If she still has the sort of TV where you have channel selection buttons
on the front of it


Yep.

- how long will it last?


Hopefully longer than her. She's 98.

But yes, if you have two Freeview boxes with RF outputs that can be set to
different channels and the TV tuned into those, it should work. You'd need
a combiner.


Just one of those "Y" shaped bits of plastic with sockets or something fancier?

Tim


Tim Downie[_3_] December 7th 10 06:29 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 

"Paul D Smith" wrote in message ...
"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview boxes
(that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly lady to
select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel selector
buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote controls &
the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the output of two
freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could be combined, it
would go so way to restoring her ability to watch television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return to
the last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they remember the
last channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.

Tim


I'd be tempted to buy here a cheap freeview TV and a "big remote". There
are various of the "big" remotes around.


Not possible. Can't work out how to point a remote.

Tim

Tim Downie[_3_] December 7th 10 06:35 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message ...
In message , Paul D Smith
writes
"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview
boxes (that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly
lady to select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel
selector buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote
controls & the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the
output of two freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could
be combined, it would go so way to restoring her ability to watch
television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return
to the last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they
remember the last channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.

Tim


I'd be tempted to buy here a cheap freeview TV and a "big remote".
There are various of the "big" remotes around.

I can't disagree. However, the direct answer to the question is that you
need to ensure that both Freeview boxes actually have UHF modulators
(quite rare these days), and that both of the UHF channels are set well
out of the way of the bypassed off-air channels (which will eventually
be only the digital). All obvious stuff.


Still plenty of boxes available with UHF output for use with older televisions.


The two UHF outputs can be combined easily using a 2-way splitter, in
reverse.

However, the two sets of bypassed channels will be on the same
frequencies, but because they are arriving by two different routes, when
they combine, they will tend to interfere with each other (possibly
seriously).
As a result, they will themselves be unusable for tuning
directly on the TV set (even if you switch one STB to standby) -
although you might be able to use them if you switched off at the
mains). However, as the elderly lady won't need them, this won't be a
problem.


Um, I'd obviously be setting up the freeview boxes to output at different frequencies so I can't see why there should be a problem.


But this is indeed a messy solution. As suggested, it would be better
(and not much dearer) to get a Freeview TV set, and teach the elderly
lady how top use it - with a different remote control, if necessary.


As I've pointed out elsewhere, the lady concerned just can't cope with a remote control. She can however press the buttons on her TV. Unfortunately the sound quality on modern flat screen TVs also tends to be poorer than on her old CRT set which is another reason to keep it.

Tim


Tim Downie[_3_] December 7th 10 06:38 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 

"Steve Terry" wrote in message ...
"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview boxes
(that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly lady to
select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel selector
buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote controls &
the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the output of two
freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could be combined, it
would go so way to restoring her ability to watch television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return to
the last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they remember the
last channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.
Tim

If the TV has two scart sockets feed one DVBT box into Scart1,
and the other into Scart2
Then all she has to do is switch between EXT1 and EXT2 which on most
TVs are the first two channels below channel 1


Scart sockets? What manner of new fangled things would these be? ;-)

Tim



Ian Jackson[_2_] December 7th 10 06:49 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
In message , Tim Downie
writes



Still plenty of boxes available with UHF output for use with older televisions.

'A few' - yes. 'Plenty' - no.

The two UHF outputs can be combined easily using a 2-way splitter, in
reverse.

However, the two sets of bypassed channels will be on the same
frequencies, but because they are arriving by two different routes, when
they combine, they will tend to interfere with each other (possibly
seriously).
As a result, they will themselves be unusable for tuning
directly on the TV set (even if you switch one STB to standby) -
although you might be able to use them if you switched off at the
mains). However, as the elderly lady won't need them, this won't be a
problem.


Um, I'd obviously be setting up the freeview boxes to output at
different frequencies so I can't see why there should be a problem.

You have no control over the bypassed off-air channels. They stay on the
same frequency (input = output).

But this is indeed a messy solution. As suggested, it would be better
(and not much dearer) to get a Freeview TV set, and teach the elderly
lady how top use it - with a different remote control, if necessary.


As I've pointed out elsewhere, the lady concerned just can't cope with
a remote control. She can however press the buttons on her TV.
Unfortunately the sound quality on modern flat screen TVs also tends to
be poorer than on her old CRT set which is another reason to keep it.

In which case, you solution should work fine.

If the TV has buttons, I presume it's pretty old, and a 4:3 CRT. If so,
check that the two STBs can output the correct aspect ratio (which, of
course, the almost certainly do).
--
Ian

Ian Jackson[_2_] December 7th 10 06:54 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
In message , fred writes



But yes, if you have two Freeview boxes with RF outputs that can be set to
different channels and the TV tuned into those, it should work. You'd need
a combiner.

Daisy chaining sounds a better bet.

This would indeed prevent the 'two lots of bypass channels' effect.

All the boxes I have had will come back up on the same channel they
went off in (when taken out of standby) but don't forget the inevitable
crashes that appear to afflict freeview STBs, someone will need to
recover them back to the right channel after those.


That's a good point. It could happen after a factory reset. I don't
think I've seen my handful of STBs do this, but I probably haven't
looked..
--
Ian

Tim Downie[_3_] December 7th 10 07:05 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message ...
In message , Tim Downie
writes



Still plenty of boxes available with UHF output for use with older televisions.

'A few' - yes. 'Plenty' - no.

The two UHF outputs can be combined easily using a 2-way splitter, in
reverse.

However, the two sets of bypassed channels will be on the same
frequencies, but because they are arriving by two different routes, when
they combine, they will tend to interfere with each other (possibly
seriously).
As a result, they will themselves be unusable for tuning
directly on the TV set (even if you switch one STB to standby) -
although you might be able to use them if you switched off at the
mains). However, as the elderly lady won't need them, this won't be a
problem.


Um, I'd obviously be setting up the freeview boxes to output at
different frequencies so I can't see why there should be a problem.

You have no control over the bypassed off-air channels. They stay on the
same frequency (input = output).


Sorry, not really following you. She's been through the DSO which is why she's in this pickle. Won't tuning the Freeview boxes to output on different frequencies avoid problems?

Tim

Graham. December 7th 10 07:35 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 

"Tim Downie" wrote in message ...

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message ...
In message , Tim Downie
writes



Still plenty of boxes available with UHF output for use with older televisions.

'A few' - yes. 'Plenty' - no.

The two UHF outputs can be combined easily using a 2-way splitter, in
reverse.

However, the two sets of bypassed channels will be on the same
frequencies, but because they are arriving by two different routes, when
they combine, they will tend to interfere with each other (possibly
seriously).
As a result, they will themselves be unusable for tuning
directly on the TV set (even if you switch one STB to standby) -
although you might be able to use them if you switched off at the
mains). However, as the elderly lady won't need them, this won't be a
problem.


Um, I'd obviously be setting up the freeview boxes to output at
different frequencies so I can't see why there should be a problem.

You have no control over the bypassed off-air channels. They stay on the
same frequency (input = output).


Sorry, not really following you. She's been through the DSO which is why she's in this pickle. Won't tuning the Freeview boxes to
output on different frequencies avoid problems?

Tim
Yes that is true, but have you understood the proviso voiced by Ian Jackson
that only a very small proportion of Freeview boxes on the market actually
output the Freeview sound and picture on the "RF Out" socket.
The ones that do will have the magic words "RF modulator" in the spec
(and hopefully on the packaging too).

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%



Madge December 7th 10 08:01 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 14:16:57 -0000, Tim Downie
wrote:

What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview
boxes (that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly
lady to select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel
selector buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote controls
& the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the output of two
freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could be combined, it
would go so way to restoring her ability to watch television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return to
the last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they remember
the last channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.

Tim


I use 3 boxes which output UHF that are setup in a chain feeding through a
VHS recorder into the TV using standard UHF TV cables for my Wifey who
gets channel Five on No.5, More 4 on N0.6 and Fiver on No7.

On the VHS video which is controlled by a Gemstar VideoPlus handset, (God
knows how old that is but I have 2 of them put away as backups), Fiver is
also tuned into on channel 13. These correspond to the videoplus numbers
which are still printed in the Radio Times. I do not know when they will
stop printing out the videoplus numbers.

Now before any of you buggers get sniffy I LIVE IN A PART OF KENT which
gets unreliable coverage of at least half of the digital channels and will
continue to do so until 2012.

I do own both Humax and a Topfield PVR which I use upstairs for Dave, (Why
do you watch that stuff it's not funny). But get extremely ****ed off when
I get rain or fog fading the signal to crap. Do not tell me to use
satellite, I can, but her indoors does not want one on our 16th Century
Cottage. (I have one hidden down at the side of my shed that has triple
LNB's for 28/19/13 east).


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Richard Tobin December 7th 10 08:06 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
In article ,
Tim Downie wrote:

As I've pointed out elsewhere, the lady concerned just can't cope with a
remote control. She can however press the buttons on her TV.


Have you considered getting her two televisions?

-- Richard

John Legon December 7th 10 08:28 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
Tim Downie wrote:
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview boxes
(that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly lady to
select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel selector
buttons?

Scart sockets? What manner of new fangled things would these be? ;-)


An alternative approach might be to find an old VCR with two scarts or
composite video inputs, and up/down channel buttons on the front panel.
Mask out all the buttons and controls that the old lady doesn't need
to know about, and put the VCR on a table next to her chair. She'll
appreciate not having to get up to change channel. Connect the STB
outputs to the VCR inputs, and connect the modulator output from the VCR
to the TV through as long a length of coax as is needed. Likewise
connect UHF from aerial to one STB, and daisy-chain to second STB.


Brian Gregory [UK] December 7th 10 08:44 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
"Graham." wrote in message
...

"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim Downie
writes



Still plenty of boxes available with UHF output for use with older
televisions.

'A few' - yes. 'Plenty' - no.

The two UHF outputs can be combined easily using a 2-way splitter, in
reverse.

However, the two sets of bypassed channels will be on the same
frequencies, but because they are arriving by two different routes,
when
they combine, they will tend to interfere with each other (possibly
seriously).
As a result, they will themselves be unusable for tuning
directly on the TV set (even if you switch one STB to standby) -
although you might be able to use them if you switched off at the
mains). However, as the elderly lady won't need them, this won't be a
problem.

Um, I'd obviously be setting up the freeview boxes to output at
different frequencies so I can't see why there should be a problem.

You have no control over the bypassed off-air channels. They stay on the
same frequency (input = output).


Sorry, not really following you. She's been through the DSO which is why
she's in this pickle. Won't tuning the Freeview boxes to output on
different frequencies avoid problems?

Tim
Yes that is true, but have you understood the proviso voiced by Ian
Jackson
that only a very small proportion of Freeview boxes on the market actually
output the Freeview sound and picture on the "RF Out" socket.
The ones that do will have the magic words "RF modulator" in the spec
(and hopefully on the packaging too).


The only Freeview box I've seen with an RF modulator did not pass through
RF, but I'm sure that do exist as well.

--

Brian Gregory. (In the UK)

To email me remove the letter vee.



Ian Jackson[_2_] December 7th 10 08:46 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
In message , Tim Downie
writes

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim Downie
writes



Still plenty of boxes available with UHF output for use with older
televisions.

'A few' - yes. 'Plenty' - no.

The two UHF outputs can be combined easily using a 2-way splitter, in
reverse.

However, the two sets of bypassed channels will be on the same
frequencies, but because they are arriving by two different routes, when
they combine, they will tend to interfere with each other (possibly
seriously).
As a result, they will themselves be unusable for tuning
directly on the TV set (even if you switch one STB to standby) -
although you might be able to use them if you switched off at the
mains). However, as the elderly lady won't need them, this won't be a
problem.

Um, I'd obviously be setting up the freeview boxes to output at
different frequencies so I can't see why there should be a problem.

You have no control over the bypassed off-air channels. They stay on the
same frequency (input = output).


Sorry, not really following you. She's been through the DSO which is
why she's in this pickle. Won't tuning the Freeview boxes to output on
different frequencies avoid problems?

Yes indeed. All I'm pointing out is that, if you ever wanted to use the
bypass channels (those intended for direct reception either on a TV set
or a recorder), they will be a mess if you use an external 2-way
combiner.

As 'Fred' has been pointed out, a loop-through daisy-chain connection
(one STB output connected to the input of the other) will avoid this
effect, and should also work fine for the two modulator channels. The
UHF output channel of the first STB will bypass through the second STB,
which will add the second UHF channel. It also save you a combiner! A
proviso which 'Fred' also mentioned is that STB's can accidentally lose
the tuning of the UHF output channel because of the occasional hiccup
which they seem to experience from time-to-time. If this happens, you'll
have re-tune them. But, hopefully, this won't happen.
--
Ian

Brian Gregory [UK] December 7th 10 08:47 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
Just one of those "Y" shaped bits of plastic with sockets or something
fancier?


Yes.

Though I'd use a metal one.

--

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To email me remove the letter vee.



Ian Jackson[_2_] December 7th 10 08:51 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
In message , "Brian
Gregory [UK]" writes



The only Freeview box I've seen with an RF modulator did not pass through
RF,


A rare beast, I think!

but I'm sure that do exist as well.

I thought they all did. However, with the demise of analogue, I suppose
that some bright spark in marketing decided that the bypass function
isn't needed. What a silly thing to do.
--
Ian

J G Miller[_4_] December 7th 10 09:54 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 17:29:14 +0000, Tim Downie wrote:

Not possible. Can't work out how to point a remote.


Then she obviously needs a full time care assistant.


Dave Plowman (News) December 8th 10 12:30 AM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
In article ,
Tim Downie wrote:
But yes, if you have two Freeview boxes with RF outputs that can be
set to different channels and the TV tuned into those, it should work.
You'd need a combiner.


Just one of those "Y" shaped bits of plastic with sockets or something
fancier?


Yes. One which isn't marked UHF and VHF on the inputs.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Terry Casey[_3_] December 8th 10 01:08 PM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
In article , says...

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 14:16:57 -0000, Tim Downie
wrote:

What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview
boxes (that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly
lady to select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel
selector buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote controls
& the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the output of two
freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could be combined, it
would go so way to restoring her ability to watch television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return to
the last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they remember
the last channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.

Tim


I use 3 boxes which output UHF that are setup in a chain feeding through a
VHS recorder into the TV using standard UHF TV cables for my Wifey who
gets channel Five on No.5, More 4 on N0.6 and Fiver on No7.

On the VHS video which is controlled by a Gemstar VideoPlus handset, (God
knows how old that is but I have 2 of them put away as backups), Fiver is
also tuned into on channel 13. These correspond to the videoplus numbers
which are still printed in the Radio Times. I do not know when they will
stop printing out the videoplus numbers.


How do you get 13 from Videoplus numbers such as 15918296 or 180500088 - both taken from
RT for programmes on Fiver tonight?

The prominent numbers in RT, alongside the 'channel' name is the Freeview LCN. In the
case of Fiver, this is 30.

--

Terry

Light of Aria[_3_] December 8th 10 06:08 PM

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"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview boxes
(that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly lady to
select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel selector
buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote controls &
the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the output of two
freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could be combined, it
would go so way to restoring her ability to watch television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return to
the last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they remember the
last channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.

Tim



The M-I-L (now deceased) had a TV remote control with a wooden box over the
front of it so that only the channel up and down, sound up and down, and off
switch could be pressed.

It was permanently on ITV1 and I suppose that helps ITV1 win their ratings
battles.



Madge December 8th 10 06:46 PM

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On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:08:17 -0000, Terry Casey
wrote:


On the VHS video which is controlled by a Gemstar VideoPlus handset,
(God knows how old that is but I have 2 of them put away as backups),
Fiver is also tuned into on channel 13. These correspond to the
videoplus numbers which are still printed in the Radio Times. I donot
know when they will stop printing out the videoplus numbers.


How do you get 13 from Videoplus numbers such as 15918296 or 180500088 -
both taken from RT for programmes on Fiver tonight?

The prominent numbers in RT, alongside the 'channel' name is the
Freeview LCN. In the case of Fiver, this is 30.


The GEMSTAR videoplus handset uses channel 13 if you punch in a FIVER
program Videoplus number. Allthough you can edit the individual recording
setting channel it was easier to just setup fiver on channel 13 on the
video recorder.

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Jeff Layman[_2_] December 8th 10 08:41 PM

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On 08/12/2010 17:08, Light of Aria wrote:

"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview
boxes (that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly
lady to select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel
selector buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote
controls & the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the
output of two freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could
be combined, it would go so way to restoring her ability to watch
television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return
to the last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they
remember the last channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.

Tim



The M-I-L (now deceased) had a TV remote control with a wooden box over
the front of it so that only the channel up and down, sound up and down,
and off switch could be pressed.

It was permanently on ITV1 and I suppose that helps ITV1 win their
ratings battles.



I was going to suggest something similar. Just cover all the remote
buttons except "1" and "2". And, if necessary, fix the remote to her
chair arm so that it is automatically pointed at the TV set (somewhere
else in the thread the OP pointed out that she did not know how to point
the remote at the TV). If she uses different chairs, fix cheap remotes
to those as well (remotes can be found in Poundland).

--

Jeff

Bill Wright[_2_] December 8th 10 09:37 PM

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Jeff Layman wrote:

I was going to suggest something similar. Just cover all the remote
buttons except "1" and "2". And, if necessary, fix the remote to her
chair arm so that it is automatically pointed at the TV set (somewhere
else in the thread the OP pointed out that she did not know how to point
the remote at the TV). If she uses different chairs, fix cheap remotes
to those as well (remotes can be found in Poundland).

Or fix her into the one chair.

Bill


Chris K[_2_] December 8th 10 10:05 PM

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On 08/12/2010 19:41, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/12/2010 17:08, Light of Aria wrote:

"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
What's the simplest way of combining the UHF output of two Freeview
boxes (that would be pre-tuned to BBC1 & 2) to enable a very elderly
lady to select channels using her very elderly telly's own channel
selector buttons?

She only ever watches BBC1 & 2 but just can't cope with remote
controls & the plethora of buttons that they have. I think if the
output of two freeview boxes tuned to different UHF frequencies could
be combined, it would go so way to restoring her ability to watch
television.

This plan might of course be scuppered if freeview boxes don't return
to the last channel selected if they are powered down. Do they
remember the last channel selected or do they all revert to BBC1?

Forgive me if this is a very naive question, it's not my field.

Tim



The M-I-L (now deceased) had a TV remote control with a wooden box over
the front of it so that only the channel up and down, sound up and down,
and off switch could be pressed.

It was permanently on ITV1 and I suppose that helps ITV1 win their
ratings battles.



I was going to suggest something similar. Just cover all the remote
buttons except "1" and "2". And, if necessary, fix the remote to her
chair arm so that it is automatically pointed at the TV set (somewhere
else in the thread the OP pointed out that she did not know how to point
the remote at the TV). If she uses different chairs, fix cheap remotes
to those as well (remotes can be found in Poundland).


Are there still simple Freeview boxes around that have a channel select
button, and maybe an indicator, on the front? Could you set it up with
all bar the wanted channels deleted and tell her to press the buttons to
select the channel? If there are only 2 set up, then it doesn't matter
which button is used to change it. Suggest to her it is just like the
'ITV Converter' boxes of the 1950s :-)

Only problem would be telling which channel it is but I suppose they
will all have DOGs shortly....

Chris K

Light of Aria[_3_] December 9th 10 11:05 AM

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Only problem would be telling which channel it is but I suppose they
will all have DOGs shortly....

Chris K



How do you know that?



Graham. December 10th 10 12:17 AM

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"Light of Aria" wrote in message ...

Only problem would be telling which channel it is but I suppose they will all have DOGs shortly....

Chris K



How do you know that?


Dear BBC,
Why, oh why oh why can't we have a digital onscreen graphic AKA a DOG
to tell us that we are watching BBC1 and BBC2. After all in this confusing multichannel enviroment we find ourselves
in these days one can so easely forget which chanel one is watching. It seems odd that all the minority chanels
are clearly labled in this way, but the prime carriers of your most esteemed programming are left out. Why is this?

Come on BBC lets have big bold DOGs on BBC1 & 2 you know it makes sense.

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%



PeterC December 10th 10 09:23 AM

Combining UHF outputs from two (or more) freeview boxes
 
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 23:17:25 -0000, Graham. wrote:

"Light of Aria" wrote in message ...

Only problem would be telling which channel it is but I suppose they will all have DOGs shortly....

Chris K



How do you know that?


Dear BBC,
Why, oh why oh why can't we have a digital onscreen graphic AKA a DOG
to tell us that we are watching BBC1 and BBC2. After all in this confusing multichannel enviroment we find ourselves
in these days one can so easely forget which chanel one is watching. It seems odd that all the minority chanels
are clearly labled in this way, but the prime carriers of your most esteemed programming are left out. Why is this?

Come on BBC lets have big bold DOGs on BBC1 & 2 you know it makes sense.


Keep going: have the DOG so big that the programme doesn't show; don't make
programmes - as they can't be seen, there's no point; put all the money into
100G BB; have internet TV instead of broadcast. Have full-screen DOGs on
internet TV...
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway


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