Combined Freeview HD and DVD recorder
 

"Norman Wells" wrote in message
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Fredxx wrote:
A friend of mine has bought a Samsung DVD-SH893M/XEU which is most
disappointing. Apart from not recording when it all seems it should,
I have had it crash a few times where only responding to a cold boot
by turning off and back on again. It also doesn't have two Freeview
tuners, so you can't watch one prgram whilst watching another through
the machine. I have since seem reviews are rather dire.

Maybe I 've misunderstood exactly want you want to do, but any set-up
comprising a TV with Freeview capability and a single tuner HD/DVD should
allow you (a) to watch one programme live on the TV while recording
another, or (b) to watch one programme from the HD while recording another
to it or to DVD.

Naturally this machine is going back.

Ideally she needs a twin tuner, DVD and HD recorder, but these seem
like hen's teeth, or cost their weight in gold.

A twin tuner HD/DVD will make 3 tuners in all, which are only of use if
you want to do something involving 3 different programmes at the same
time, or record two different ones while you're out.

I suspect a single tuner HD/DVD would be more than adequate.

Does anyone have some suggestions?


Most combined HD and DVD recorders seem to have the one tuner. It would be
desirable to record one program whilst watching another, hence 2 tuners.
The Samsung unit I mentioned above is one where you can either record, or
watch as it has the one tuner.

Combined Freeview HD and DVD recorder
 

Fredxx wrote:
"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
Fredxx wrote:
A friend of mine has bought a Samsung DVD-SH893M/XEU which is most
disappointing. Apart from not recording when it all seems it
should, I have had it crash a few times where only responding to a
cold boot by turning off and back on again. It also doesn't have
two Freeview tuners, so you can't watch one prgram whilst watching
another through the machine. I have since seem reviews are rather
dire.

Maybe I 've misunderstood exactly want you want to do, but any set-up
comprising a TV with Freeview capability and a single tuner HD/DVD
should allow you (a) to watch one programme live on the TV while
recording another, or (b) to watch one programme from the HD while
recording another to it or to DVD.

Naturally this machine is going back.

Ideally she needs a twin tuner, DVD and HD recorder, but these seem
like hen's teeth, or cost their weight in gold.

A twin tuner HD/DVD will make 3 tuners in all, which are only of use
if you want to do something involving 3 different programmes at the
same time, or record two different ones while you're out.

I suspect a single tuner HD/DVD would be more than adequate.

Does anyone have some suggestions?

Most combined HD and DVD recorders seem to have the one tuner. It
would be desirable to record one program whilst watching another,
hence 2 tuners. The Samsung unit I mentioned above is one where you
can either record, or watch as it has the one tuner.

Then you 'watch' on the TV using its own internal Freeview tuner or external
STB, and 'record' using the tuner in the HD/DVD. What's the problem?

Combined Freeview HD and DVD recorder
 

Fredxx wrote:

That is a logic conclusion, but a combined HD and DVD recorder does mean you
can transfer from one to the other, which isn't possible with separates.

HD to separate DVD recorder is not a problem, though it has to be
done in real time. I'm not quite sure why the reverse would be of
use.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

Combined Freeview HD and DVD recorder
 

Chris J Dixon wrote:
Fredxx wrote:

That is a logic conclusion, but a combined HD and DVD recorder does
mean you can transfer from one to the other, which isn't possible
with separates.

HD to separate DVD recorder is not a problem, though it has to be
done in real time. I'm not quite sure why the reverse would be of
use.

Generally, editing and chaptering can only be done with a recording on the
HD. So, if you want for example to remove the adverts from something you've
for some reason recorded to DVD, you have to copy it to the HD first.

Combined Freeview HD and DVD recorder
 

On 05/12/2010 15:42, Adrian wrote:
Fredxx wrote:
A friend of mine has bought a Samsung DVD-SH893M/XEU which is most
disappointing. Apart from not recording when it all seems it should, I
have had it crash a few times where only responding to a cold boot by
turning off and back on again. It also doesn't have two Freeview
tuners, so you can't watch one prgram whilst watching another through
the machine. I have since seem reviews are rather dire.

Naturally this machine is going back.

Ideally she needs a twin tuner, DVD and HD recorder, but these seem
like hen's teeth, or cost their weight in gold.

Does anyone have some suggestions?


The only one I know of with twin tuners and a DVD drive is the Panasonic
DMR-XW380.

Which doesn't record 5.1 audio ......


Clem

Combined Freeview HD and DVD recorder
 

"Norman Wells" wrote in message
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Fredxx wrote:
"Norman Wells" wrote in message
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Fredxx wrote:
A friend of mine has bought a Samsung DVD-SH893M/XEU which is most
disappointing. Apart from not recording when it all seems it
should, I have had it crash a few times where only responding to a
cold boot by turning off and back on again. It also doesn't have
two Freeview tuners, so you can't watch one prgram whilst watching
another through the machine. I have since seem reviews are rather
dire.

Maybe I 've misunderstood exactly want you want to do, but any set-up
comprising a TV with Freeview capability and a single tuner HD/DVD
should allow you (a) to watch one programme live on the TV while
recording another, or (b) to watch one programme from the HD while
recording another to it or to DVD.

Naturally this machine is going back.

Ideally she needs a twin tuner, DVD and HD recorder, but these seem
like hen's teeth, or cost their weight in gold.

A twin tuner HD/DVD will make 3 tuners in all, which are only of use
if you want to do something involving 3 different programmes at the
same time, or record two different ones while you're out.

I suspect a single tuner HD/DVD would be more than adequate.

Does anyone have some suggestions?

Most combined HD and DVD recorders seem to have the one tuner. It
would be desirable to record one program whilst watching another,
hence 2 tuners. The Samsung unit I mentioned above is one where you
can either record, or watch as it has the one tuner.

Then you 'watch' on the TV using its own internal Freeview tuner or
external STB, and 'record' using the tuner in the HD/DVD. What's the
problem?


Nothing, just in a high end unit I would expect twin tuners. If a £70 Bush
HD recorder from Argos can have twin tuners, I can't see why combined HD and
DVD units can't.

Combined Freeview HD and DVD recorder
 

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:

Nothing, just in a high end unit I would expect twin tuners. If a £70 Bush
HD recorder from Argos can have twin tuners, I can't see why combined HD and
DVD units can't.

A hard-disk recorder can just record the raw DVB data. A DVD recorder
must decode the stream and re-encode it in DVD format. So it may be
the cost of the encoding hardware rather than the tuner itself,
especially as it's likely to be subject to patents.

(Actually I'm not sure just how much conversion has to be done for SD
digital transmissions to make them into DVD streams.)

-- Richard

Combined Freeview HD and DVD recorder
 

"Richard Tobin" wrote in message
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In article ,
Fredxx wrote:

Nothing, just in a high end unit I would expect twin tuners. If a £70
Bush
HD recorder from Argos can have twin tuners, I can't see why combined HD
and
DVD units can't.

A hard-disk recorder can just record the raw DVB data. A DVD recorder
must decode the stream and re-encode it in DVD format. So it may be
the cost of the encoding hardware rather than the tuner itself,
especially as it's likely to be subject to patents.

(Actually I'm not sure just how much conversion has to be done for SD
digital transmissions to make them into DVD streams.)


That's an interesting comment. To be honest I thought both DVD format and
DVB data were both MPEG2 and so very similar to each other. BICBW

The Samsung unit, I mentioned earlier, is £170 or so and has both DVD and
HD. So it can be done.

Combined Freeview HD and DVD recorder
 

Fredxx wrote:

To be honest I thought both DVD format and
DVB data were both MPEG2 and so very similar to each other.

They are similar, but off-air the MPEG2 will be a transport stream, on a
DVD it'll be a programme stream.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG_transport_stream
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_Stream

Combined Freeview HD and DVD recorder
 

Fredxx wrote:
"Norman Wells" wrote in message
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Fredxx wrote:
"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
Fredxx wrote:
A friend of mine has bought a Samsung DVD-SH893M/XEU which is most
disappointing. Apart from not recording when it all seems it
should, I have had it crash a few times where only responding to a
cold boot by turning off and back on again. It also doesn't have
two Freeview tuners, so you can't watch one prgram whilst watching
another through the machine. I have since seem reviews are rather
dire.

Maybe I 've misunderstood exactly want you want to do, but any
set-up comprising a TV with Freeview capability and a single tuner
HD/DVD should allow you (a) to watch one programme live on the TV
while recording another, or (b) to watch one programme from the HD
while recording another to it or to DVD.

Naturally this machine is going back.

Ideally she needs a twin tuner, DVD and HD recorder, but these
seem like hen's teeth, or cost their weight in gold.

A twin tuner HD/DVD will make 3 tuners in all, which are only of
use if you want to do something involving 3 different programmes
at the same time, or record two different ones while you're out.

I suspect a single tuner HD/DVD would be more than adequate.

Does anyone have some suggestions?

Most combined HD and DVD recorders seem to have the one tuner. It
would be desirable to record one program whilst watching another,
hence 2 tuners. The Samsung unit I mentioned above is one where you
can either record, or watch as it has the one tuner.

Then you 'watch' on the TV using its own internal Freeview tuner or
external STB, and 'record' using the tuner in the HD/DVD. What's the
problem?


Nothing, just in a high end unit I would expect twin tuners. If a
£70 Bush HD recorder from Argos can have twin tuners, I can't see why
combined HD and DVD units can't.

They can of course. They just cost more, and don't give much advantage to
the average user, so they're not produced in volume. If you're desperate
for one, all you have to do is pay up. Your choice.

But I suspect all you'd be doing then is complaining that it doesn't have
triple tuners.