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Before we had the Bedford we had a 1946 Morris Commercial, reg LNN 31.
That was a scary old beast to drive. There was no power brakes or steering, so you needed muscles! The radiator was almost completely blocked and the cooling was via a rubber tube originally meant for the rear compartment heater. This tube simply short-circuited the radiator! If we stopped in traffic the heat from the engine would cause the petrol in the pipe to the carburettor to boil, and the engine would stop. Incidentally the electrics were positive chassis. I've had a lot to do with old ambulances over the years, both ours and other peoples. They make terrific camper vans. Just to dispel one common myth, when an ambulance leaves service and is put on the open market the various sirens, horns, and blue flashing lights are always removed. So tales of people using the 'blues and twos' to get through a traffic jam are pure fantasy. Bill |
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Bill Wright wrote: Just to dispel one common myth, when an ambulance leaves service and is put on the open market the various sirens, horns, and blue flashing lights are always removed. So tales of people using the 'blues and twos' to get through a traffic jam are pure fantasy. Yup. Even 'classic' versions of these aren't allowed to have working emergency horns. Bells are ok. Blue lights are allowed, but must be covered on public roads. -- *You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 02:31:46 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote: Before we had the Bedford we had a 1946 Morris Commercial, reg LNN 31. That was a scary old beast to drive. There was no power brakes or steering, so you needed muscles! The radiator was almost completely blocked and the cooling was via a rubber tube originally meant for the rear compartment heater. This tube simply short-circuited the radiator! If we stopped in traffic the heat from the engine would cause the petrol in the pipe to the carburettor to boil, and the engine would stop. Incidentally the electrics were positive chassis. I've had a lot to do with old ambulances over the years, both ours and other peoples. They make terrific camper vans. Just to dispel one common myth, when an ambulance leaves service and is put on the open market the various sirens, horns, and blue flashing lights are always removed. So tales of people using the 'blues and twos' to get through a traffic jam are pure fantasy. Back in 1960s Manchester a friend of mine had an ex-police car, a Wolseley. One evening after a jolly time in a pub near the centre of the city we got in the car and drove along a side road to a main road and waited for a gap in the traffic. A policeman nearby saw the car and walked rapidly into the middle of the road to stop the traffic to let us out. The driver later told me this is one of the most scary things that had ever happened to him. In spite of being drunk he had to drive perfectly. He did. There were no police markings on the car so we weren't sure why the policeman behaved the way he did. We wondered whether he had recognised the number on the numberplate. Perhaps at one time the police had bought a batch of cars with adjacent numbers and the number on my friend's car was recognisable to the policeman as one of a series. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 02:31:46 +0000, Bill Wright wrote: Before we had the Bedford we had a 1946 Morris Commercial, reg LNN 31. That was a scary old beast to drive. There was no power brakes or steering, so you needed muscles! The radiator was almost completely blocked and the cooling was via a rubber tube originally meant for the rear compartment heater. This tube simply short-circuited the radiator! If we stopped in traffic the heat from the engine would cause the petrol in the pipe to the carburettor to boil, and the engine would stop. Incidentally the electrics were positive chassis. I've had a lot to do with old ambulances over the years, both ours and other peoples. They make terrific camper vans. Just to dispel one common myth, when an ambulance leaves service and is put on the open market the various sirens, horns, and blue flashing lights are always removed. So tales of people using the 'blues and twos' to get through a traffic jam are pure fantasy. Back in 1960s Manchester a friend of mine had an ex-police car, a Wolseley. One evening after a jolly time in a pub near the centre of the city we got in the car and drove along a side road to a main road and waited for a gap in the traffic. A policeman nearby saw the car and walked rapidly into the middle of the road to stop the traffic to let us out. The driver later told me this is one of the most scary things that had ever happened to him. In spite of being drunk he had to drive perfectly. He did. There were no police markings on the car so we weren't sure why the policeman behaved the way he did. We wondered whether he had recognised the number on the numberplate. Perhaps at one time the police had bought a batch of cars with adjacent numbers and the number on my friend's car was recognisable to the policeman as one of a series. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) Yes, he could have misbelieved it was a Commanding Officer's car. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Bill Wright wrote: Just to dispel one common myth, when an ambulance leaves service and is put on the open market the various sirens, horns, and blue flashing lights are always removed. So tales of people using the 'blues and twos' to get through a traffic jam are pure fantasy. Yup. Even 'classic' versions of these aren't allowed to have working emergency horns. Bells are ok. Blue lights are allowed, but must be covered on public roads. So as I said, people telling stories about gypsies or whatever using the blue flashing light are pure fantasy. Bill |
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"Pikey Bill" wrote in message ...
So as I said, people telling stories about gypsies or whatever using the blue flashing light are pure fantasy. Is that what you claimed in court? Oh, and don't use the G word - it's racist. |
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On Dec 1, 2:31*am, Bill Wright wrote:
I've had a lot to do with old ambulances over the years, both ours and other peoples. They make terrific camper vans. And old mobile libraries - you can get a decent double mattress in the back of them! |
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In article , Chris Hogg
wrote: Not sure about that, Bill. May be in your area, but not here. Our late next door neighbour ran a second hand car business (10th hand, more like), and his specialities were ambulances and police cars. His ambulances all had the blue lights and two-tone horns, and he'd set the horns going occasionally just to set the dogs barking and make his neighbours (us) jump! Don't know about the police cars though. I was once given the lights and horns roof assembly of a police car to make it practical for a TV drama scene. I had to use really thick wires because those horns take a huge current, 10A or more, and if you think they're loud out of doors, try and imagine what they sound like in a small workshop... Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
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Back in 1960s Manchester a friend of mine had an ex-police car, a Wolseley. One evening after a jolly time in a pub near the centre of the city we got in the car and drove along a side road to a main road and waited for a gap in the traffic. A policeman nearby saw the car and walked rapidly into the middle of the road to stop the traffic to let us out. The driver later told me this is one of the most scary things that had ever happened to him. In spite of being drunk he had to drive perfectly. He did. There were no police markings on the car so we weren't sure why the policeman behaved the way he did. We wondered whether he had recognised the number on the numberplate. Perhaps at one time the police had bought a batch of cars with adjacent numbers and the number on my friend's car was recognisable to the policeman as one of a series. You don't even need an "official" car. Our "works car" used to be a white sierra estate, no flashies, markings or anything - regular car throughout. With two "white shirt and tie" professionals in the front, I was amazed at how many motorway drivers slowed down and pulled over as we approached them. Whether they realized their mistake as we went past I don't know but clearly they weren't taking any chances. Paul DS. |
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
... Before we had the Bedford we had a 1946 Morris Commercial, reg LNN 31. That was a scary old beast to drive. There was no power brakes or steering, so you needed muscles! The radiator was almost completely blocked and the cooling was via a rubber tube originally meant for the rear compartment heater. This tube simply short-circuited the radiator! If we stopped in traffic the heat from the engine would cause the petrol in the pipe to the carburettor to boil, and the engine would stop. Incidentally the electrics were positive chassis. I've had a lot to do with old ambulances over the years, both ours and other peoples. They make terrific camper vans. Just to dispel one common myth, when an ambulance leaves service and is put on the open market the various sirens, horns, and blue flashing lights are always removed. So tales of people using the 'blues and twos' to get through a traffic jam are pure fantasy. Bill On a smaller note, the old Moggie Minor vans beloved of the post office were not quite as spacious but very useful little tools. I remember my very proper Aunt being horrified when my cousin and her boyfriend purchased one (car were for people, not vans!). I think she relented when they explained how they used it to transport things to and from Portabello market, which was how they subsidised their time at Uni in London in the 70s. Paul DS |
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Paul D Smith wrote:
You don't even need an "official" car. Our "works car" used to be a white sierra estate, no flashies, markings or anything - regular car throughout. With two "white shirt and tie" professionals in the front, I was amazed at how many motorway drivers slowed down and pulled over as we approached them. Whether they realized their mistake as we went past I don't know but clearly they weren't taking any chances. A good few years ago I was driving my red Volvo 245 to a fancy dress party. I had on a black jacket and flat hat, devoid of any significant markings (Postman Pat was the idea). It was noticeable how courteous other drivers were. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
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Paul D Smith wrote: You don't even need an "official" car. Our "works car" used to be a white sierra estate, no flashies, markings or anything - regular car throughout. With two "white shirt and tie" professionals in the front, I was amazed at how many motorway drivers slowed down and pulled over as we approached them. Whether they realized their mistake as we went past I don't know but clearly they weren't taking any chances. I have a BMW 5 Series with the 'angel eye' sidelights. Same as the MP ones. When the MP first got them I couldn't understand why others would slow down when I approached them at night. And mine is dark green rather than silver. -- *Ah, I see the f**k-up fairy has visited us again Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thursday, December 2nd, 2010 at 10:59:48h +0000, Dave Plowman explained:
I have a BMW 5 Series with the 'angel eye' sidelights. Same as the MP ones. When the MP first got them I couldn't understand why others would slow down when I approached them at night. Is that because you find it difficult to understand why anybody would hold an MP in such regard? |
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"Doctor D" wrote in message
o.uk... Oh, and don't use the G word - it's racist. No it isn't http://www.gypsy-traveller.org/ Is too. Try referring to a dictionary, rather than some amateurish website. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Bill Wright saying something like: Just to dispel one common myth, when an ambulance leaves service and is put on the open market the various sirens, horns, and blue flashing lights are always removed. So tales of people using the 'blues and twos' to get through a traffic jam are pure fantasy. Nope. I know of one where it went through the auction still fited with blues and twos. Anyway, not exactly beyond the pikey wit to fit Bs &2s, is it? Easily available off the shelf, and for the past few decades. |
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j r powell wrote: "Doctor D" wrote in message o.uk... Oh, and don't use the G word - it's racist. No it isn't http://www.gypsy-traveller.org/ Is too. Try referring to a dictionary, rather than some amateurish website. Collins GEM English Dictionary Gypsy n., pl. -sies. member of a travelling people found throughout Europe. -- *Acupunctu a jab well done* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:32:51 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote: On Thursday, December 2nd, 2010 at 18:10:12h +0000, Jamie Robert Powell (posting as the fake ) commanded: Try referring to a dictionary snip Your research does you credit, but do you *really* expect to get a rational answer from the little ****? His idea of discussion is: 1. Forging using other peoples' names and message headers. 2. Cutting and pasting to steal other peoples' work 3. Call someone a pikey, and then accuse the same person of using racist language. Best just to let him go and fester. |
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"j r powell" wrote in message ... "Doctor D" wrote in message o.uk... Oh, and don't use the G word - it's racist. No it isn't http://www.gypsy-traveller.org/ Is too. Try referring to a dictionary, rather than some amateurish website. Try asking gypsies and travellers rather than pontificating! |
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"Dave Plowfool" wrote in message ...
Collins GEM English Dictionary Gypsy n., pl. -sies. member of a travelling people found throughout Europe. Hello hapless harasser. Cambridge Dictionary gypsy noun (UK also gipsy) /ˈdʒɪp.si/ n [C] (also Romany) a member of a race of people originally from northern India who typically used to travel from place to place, and now live especially in Europe and North America a gypsy caravan/encampment ---- Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary gypsy n gypsy, gipsy [ˈdʒipsi] a member of a race of wandering people. ---- Collins English Gem Dictionary gipsy, gypsy, n. one of wandering race of Hindu origin, usually living by basket-making, fortune-telling, etc.; Romany. ---- Goodbye hapless harasser. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , j r powell wrote: "Doctor D" wrote in message o.uk... Oh, and don't use the G word - it's racist. No it isn't http://www.gypsy-traveller.org/ Is too. Try referring to a dictionary, rather than some amateurish website. Collins GEM English Dictionary Gypsy n., pl. -sies. member of a travelling people found throughout Europe. There's a long entry in Fowler's MEU which has no suggestion that the word is 'racist' (whatever that means). Bill |
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Bill Wright saying something like: Just to dispel one common myth, when an ambulance leaves service and is put on the open market the various sirens, horns, and blue flashing lights are always removed. So tales of people using the 'blues and twos' to get through a traffic jam are pure fantasy. Nope. I know of one where it went through the auction still fited with blues and twos. I've been involved in the purchase by auction of five 'retired' ambulances over the years and they all had the blue light and siren removed, along with the other specialist equipment. One even had the space-heater removed. Bill |
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"j r powell" wrote in message ... "Doctor D" wrote in message o.uk... Oh, and don't use the G word - it's racist. No it isn't http://www.gypsy-traveller.org/ Is too. Try referring to a dictionary, rather than some amateurish website. It is rather naff Jamie, did you write it? Bill Wright's site is far more professional. http://gypsywaggons.co.uk/rai-billwright.htm -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On 02/12/2010 19:39, Bill Wright wrote:
There's a long entry in Fowler's MEU which has no suggestion that the word is 'racist' (whatever that means). Bill It's in the mind of the listener and the speaker. I can quote Star Trek: "Ah,a Beautiful Negress" [Lincoln] "Why Thank You Sir" [Uhuru] No insult intended; none taken. Yet in other circumstances to refer to someone as a negress could be taken to be insulting. And then there's the group "Niggaz With Attitude". They are hardly insulting themselves. Andy |
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"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message ... We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Bill Wright saying something like: Just to dispel one common myth, when an ambulance leaves service and is put on the open market the various sirens, horns, and blue flashing lights are always removed. So tales of people using the 'blues and twos' to get through a traffic jam are pure fantasy. Nope. I know of one where it went through the auction still fited with blues and twos. Anyway, not exactly beyond the pikey wit to fit Bs &2s, is it? Easily available off the shelf, and for the past few decades. Indeed; Bill and Plowfool were talking out of their backsides as usual, speaking at length and with confidence yet making it up as they went along. |
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"j r powell" wrote in message
... "Dave Plowfool" wrote in message ... Collins GEM English Dictionary Gypsy n., pl. -sies. member of a travelling people found throughout Europe. Hello hapless harasser. Cambridge Dictionary gypsy noun (UK also gipsy) /'d??p.si/ n [C] (also Romany) a member of a race of people originally from northern India who typically used to travel from place to place, and now live especially in Europe and North America a gypsy caravan/encampment ---- Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary gypsy n gypsy, gipsy ['d?ipsi] a member of a race of wandering people. ---- Collins English Gem Dictionary gipsy, gypsy, n. one of wandering race of Hindu origin, usually living by basket-making, fortune-telling, etc.; Romany. That just claims that 'Gypsy' is a race; not that uttering the word automatically makes one a racist. -- Max Demian |
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... Your research does you credit, but do you *really* expect to get a rational answer from the little ****? His idea of discussion is: 1. Forging using other peoples' names and message headers. 2. Cutting and pasting to steal other peoples' work Aw shucks, and to think, I respect the kind and intelligent people here *soo* much that I was twying my best to be fwiendly and nice because they weally, weally deserve it. (Yes nemo-nutjob, that's sarcasm). 3. Call someone a pikey, and then accuse the same person of using racist language. This implies "pikey" is a racist term, but "gypsy" isn't. If his biases permitted it, J G Moron would be searching and selectively pasting lots of drivel to "prove" otherwise. That's all he's capable of after all. Best just to let him go and fester. On the contrary, "Nemo" will be the one festering away - back in his Broadmoor secure cell - if the authorities have anything to do with it. |
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j r powell wrote: "Dave Plowfool" wrote in message ... Collins GEM English Dictionary Gypsy n., pl. -sies. member of a travelling people found throughout Europe. Hello hapless harasser. Still paranoid? Cambridge Dictionary gypsy noun (UK also gipsy) /#d##p.si/ n [C] (also Romany) a member of a race of people originally from northern India who typically used to travel from place to place, and now live especially in Europe and North America a gypsy caravan/encampment ---- Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary gypsy n gypsy, gipsy [#d#ipsi] a member of a race of wandering people. ---- Collins English Gem Dictionary gipsy, gypsy, n. one of wandering race of Hindu origin, usually living by basket-making, fortune-telling, etc.; Romany. ---- Goodbye hapless harasser. Thanks for confirming dictionaries don't support your notion that gipsy is a 'racist' word. But perhaps you'd ask your therapist why - on a public place like this - you appear to be so keen on minority rights, but so rude to individuals? That will take up all of your next session. -- *Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Jamie Robert Powell came to the conclusion: The escaped mental patient wrote in message ... 3. Call someone a pikey, and then accuse the same person of using racist language. This implies "pikey" is a racist term Only according to your false logic. Pikey *is* a pejorative slang term. The word "gypsy" *can* be used as a perjorative adjective. Neither are racist insults. According to Wikipedia -- Pikey is a pejorative slang term used mainly in the United Kingdom to refer to Irish Travellers, *gypsies* or people of low social class. Since William Wright is not an Irish Traveller, either Jamie Robert Powell considers him to be a gypsy or a person of low social class. If it is the latter, then Jamie Robert Powell demonstrates once again that he is truly a snob. |
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"J G Moron" wrote in message
... On Thursday, December 2nd, 2010 at 23:56:50h +0000, Jamie Robert Powell wrote: This implies "pikey" is a racist term Only according to your false logic. Nope, not false logic. Pikey *is* a pejorative slang term. The word "gypsy" *can* be used as a perjorative adjective. Neither are racist insults. According to Wikipedia -- Pikey is a pejorative slang term used mainly in the United Kingdom to refer to Irish Travellers, *gypsies* or people of low social class. Since William Wright is not an Irish Traveller, either Jamie Robert Powell considers him to be a gypsy or a person of low social class. If it is the latter, then Jamie Robert Powell demonstrates once again that he is truly a snob. The word "gypsy" *can* refer to a race, as I have already demonstrated by citing the definitions from three dictionaries. Since we live in an age where racism is unacceptable, people avoid using potentially racist terms, especially in a negative context. Incidentally, certain people previously accused me of racism over my use of the word "pikey" - how ironic. |
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"Mungo Plowfool" wrote in message ... Thanks for confirming dictionaries don't support your notion that gipsy is a 'racist' word. More denial from Plowfool - each time his cluelessness is exposed he tries to make some smart arse comment to cover up. But perhaps you'd ask your therapist snip Your simple mind is wandering into the realms of fantasy as usual. You are a fool. Your drivel has no basis in reality. Your opinions are worthless and discussions with you are pointless. |
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Max Demian wrote:
That just claims that 'Gypsy' is a race; not that uttering the word automatically makes one a racist. Yes, and it doesn't say a thing about stinking the place out by burning off (carcinogenic) pvc insulation from (probably stolen) copper cable. Bill |
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j r powell wrote: But perhaps you'd ask your therapist why - on a public place like this - you appear to be so keen on minority rights, but so rude to individuals? That will take up all of your next session. Your simple mind is wandering into the realms of fantasy as usual. You are a fool. Your drivel has no basis in reality. Your opinions are worthless and discussions with you are pointless. Seems you have the same approach to your therapist. You really need to heed what he tells you. But it will be a long and difficult road to your recovery. -- *The statement above is false Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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j r powell wrote: Since we live in an age where racism is unacceptable, people avoid using potentially racist terms, especially in a negative context. Thanks for the lecture on how to behave in public. If you weren't such a self centred little fart you'd realise the irony of it. -- *A day without sunshine is like... night.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In message , Andy Champ
writes On 02/12/2010 19:39, Bill Wright wrote: There's a long entry in Fowler's MEU which has no suggestion that the word is 'racist' (whatever that means). Bill It's in the mind of the listener and the speaker. I can quote Star Trek: "Ah,a Beautiful Negress" [Lincoln] "Why Thank You Sir" [Uhuru] No insult intended; none taken. Yet in other circumstances to refer to someone as a negress could be taken to be insulting. And then there's the group "Niggaz With Attitude". They are hardly insulting themselves. If I recall correctly, the momentary, unspoken response of crew was bemused, slight disapproval. But what message was being conveyed? Was it that, in modern times, such terms should be avoided? Or, more likely, was it that it was silly to object to certain words which, in their own right, are not intended to convey any offence whatsoever? -- Ian |
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"Mungo Plowfool" wrote in message ...
Thanks for the lecture on how to behave in public. If you weren't such a self centred little fart you'd realise the irony of it. Diddums.... I upset Plowfool. Dave, perhaps if you dispensed with your rudeness, your insults, your delusions of competence, your compulsively argumentative traits, your tendency to hold unjustified grudges for months on end, your refusal to admit that you are wrong even when staring in the face of scientific proof, your subsequent tactic of snipping said proof and then attempting to make some smart arse comment to cover up, along with your generally cynical, superior attitude, you might find yourself being treated with a bit more politeness and respect. |
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j r powell said...
your tendency to hold unjustified grudges for months on end, Come now Jamie, this is clearly a PKB. As the official group referee I am deducting 5 usenet bickering points from your tally. -- Ken O'Meara http://www.btinternet.com/~unsteadyken/ |
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j r powell wrote:
"Mungo Plowfool" wrote in message ... Thanks for the lecture on how to behave in public. If you weren't such a self centred little fart you'd realise the irony of it. Diddums.... I upset Plowfool. Dave, perhaps if you dispensed with your rudeness, your insults, your delusions of competence, your compulsively argumentative traits, your tendency to hold unjustified grudges for months on end, your refusal to admit that you are wrong even when staring in the face of scientific proof, your subsequent tactic of snipping said proof and then attempting to make some smart arse comment to cover up, along with your generally cynical, superior attitude, you might find yourself being treated with a bit more politeness and respect. In order to prevent confusion, I'd like to point out that the above post, which appears to be from Jamie, was really by Jamie, but he was only pretending to be himself. Taking the art of impersonation to new heights, he has posted as himself. Bill |
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