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"Jerry" wrote in message
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"J G Miller" wrote in message
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snip:
: Yes, at the present time with DVB-t/MPEG-2. But when Arquiva
can persuade
: the relevant parties that it is time to DVB-t2/MPEG-4 (which
will be fully
: endorsed by OfCon or its successor) then $ky Picnic, for
example, could
: very well be back on the table.

I can just smell the revolting public if the above does happen...

Perhaps the next BBC licence fee settlement will see the BBC
funding replacement STB, PVRs and TVs!
--
Regards, Jerry.




Of course The BBC could instill a regime of absolute enforcement and
S.O.R.N. for TV sets!

BBC to reduce DSat red button service to match Freeview
 

"J G Miller" wrote in message
...

snip
:
: With the proposed abolition of OfCon, and a very B$kyB friendly
Secretary
: of State at DCMS who is under obligation to repay Uncle Rupert
for his
: support during the recent election and to maintain goodwill for
the duration
: of the current administration and into the next election,
policies which
: are not in the financial interest of B$kyB will not be pursued.


Err, that would be why the DfT has ordered a review of Uncle
Rupert's wish to take outright control of BSkyB, if you were
correct I doubt that such a move by Uncle Vince would have been
approved higher up in the coalition.
--
Regards, Jerry.

BBC to reduce DSat red button service to match Freeview
 

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:19:39 +0000, Jerry Mapson asked:

Err, that would be why the DfT has ordered a review of Uncle Rupert's
wish to take outright control of BSkyB

Can we therefore conclude that the Daily Mirror is just plain lying then
when it reported at

http://www.mirror.co.UK/news/top-stories/2010/11/05/business-secretary-vince-cable-blocks-rupert-murdoch-s-bid-to-buy-sky-115875-22693408/

"Business Secretary Vince Cable *enraged Tory allies* yesterday by
blocking Rupert Murdoch's £12billion bid to take over Sky ..."

or The Grauniad was lying when it reported at

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2010/nov/04/vince-cable-news-corp-bskyb

"Cameron's Tories owed something to the pre-election backing of the
Sun and the other News Corp titles."

According to that same article, it was the opposition from two Tory party
supporting newspapers, the Daily Mail and the the Daily Telegraph which
provided the political support for Cable to refer the decision to the DfT.

Cameron, Osborne, and Hunt clearly would not want to alienate the owners
of two of their traditional supporting newspapers by refusing the referral,
which could have led to a collapse of the coalition.

As to what the DfT decides of course, is another matter entirely and one
would expect a ruling to be decided in the appropriate gentlemen's clubs
over after dinner alcoholic beverages.

BBC to reduce DSat red button service to match Freeview
 

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:33:25 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

For a good technical reason. OfCon promotes, as it should, DVB-t2
because it is a more efficient use of spectrum.

B$kyB was proposing DVB-t/MPEG-4 for Picnic.

Nice try, but DVB-T2 hadn't even been prototyped at the time that
Picnic was proposed. Thus, with DVB-T being the only game in town, and
MPEG-4 being substantially more efficient way to use the spectrum than
MPEG-2, Ofcom of course promoted, as it should, a LESS efficient use
of spectrum.

Having mixed MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 on a DVB-t multiplex was a variable
that OfCon did not wish to countenance, especially as some integrated
televisions and digital converter boxes may have been unable to cope
with mixed encoding on a multiplex.

However, broadcasting material which 'some' Freeview equipment is
unable to cope with doesn't seem to be a problem when those broadcasts
are undertaken by anyone except Sky.

Any Freeview equipment which genuinely are "unable to cope" with a
transmission in a format they did not understand would already be
completely unusable in many parts of the UK.

With the proposed abolition of OfCon, and a very B$kyB friendly Secretary
of State at DCMS who is under obligation to repay Uncle Rupert for his
support during the recent election and to maintain goodwill for the duration
of the current administration and into the next election, policies which
are not in the financial interest of B$kyB will not be pursued.

Cobblers. I don't recall seeing anyone wave through the News Corp
takeover...
--

BBC to reduce DSat red button service to match Freeview
 

On 12/11/2010 13:31, wrote:
They really are taking the **** with their "Platform Neutral" stance
now...

"During the course of this review, BBC management has stated its plans
to reduce the service’s use of capacity on the digital satellite and
cable platforms after the 2012 Olympics, to bring it closer to its
current usage on the digital terrestrial platform. This should result
in distribution cost savings to the BBC. We agree with this proposed
course of action, and we would expect BBC Red Button to reduce its
distribution costs by providing a more consistent level of service
across different digital TV platforms. Implementation date: 2012."

from
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets...tton_final.pdf

I wonder if there will be any distribution cost savings at all? Are
they really going to give up a transponder? Or maybe they'll let out
the space. Like they do all the other null packets they send. (!)

Here's an alternative idea for them: how about maximising the use and
value of these streams by finally letting Freesat viewers access them
all(!), giving them an EPG entry, and letting people PVR them! Oh, and
using the downtime for something useful.

Cheers,
David.

I bought a Freesat box to get the additional "Press Red" channels that
Freeview doesn't have. Does this mean I wasted my money?

kj

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On Monday, November 15th, 2010 at 16:03:32h +0000, Kill Joy asked:

I bought a Freesat box to get the additional "Press Red" channels that
Freeview doesn't have. Does this mean I wasted my money?

No, because you will still be able to watch CBS Action, CBS Drama, CBS Reality,
Men&Movies, Movies4Men, Movies4Men2, Horror Channel, NHK World, CNBC etc, etc

BBC to reduce DSat red button service to match Freeview
 

"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
: On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:19:39 +0000, Jerry Mapson asked:
:
: Err, that would be why the DfT has ordered a review of Uncle
Rupert's
: wish to take outright control of BSkyB
:
: Can we therefore conclude that the Daily Mirror is just plain
lying then
: when it reported at
:
:
http://www.mirror.co.UK/news/top-stories/2010/11/05/business-secretary-vince-cable-blocks-rupert-murdoch-s-bid-to-buy-sky-115875-22693408/
:
: "Business Secretary Vince Cable *enraged Tory allies*
yesterday by
: blocking Rupert Murdoch's £12billion bid to take over Sky
...."
:
: or The Grauniad was lying when it reported at
:
:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2010/nov/04/vince-cable-news-corp-bskyb
:
: "Cameron's Tories owed something to the pre-election
backing of the
: Sun and the other News Corp titles."

Sorry to say, I wouldn't believe a word those news papers print,
one wants the collapse of the coalition whilst the other still
has to make the case against both the Tories and Murdoch,
anything than sows division...

:
: According to that same article, it was the opposition from two
Tory party
: supporting newspapers, the Daily Mail and the the Daily
Telegraph which
: provided the political support for Cable to refer the decision
to the DfT.
:
: Cameron, Osborne, and Hunt clearly would not want to alienate
the owners
: of two of their traditional supporting newspapers by refusing
the referral,
: which could have led to a collapse of the coalition.

The fact that, if true, it's more important what the *none*
Murdoch press say would suggest that perhaps Murdoch's influence
on UK politics might be on the wane.

:
: As to what the DfT decides of course, is another matter
entirely and one
: would expect a ruling to be decided in the appropriate
gentlemen's clubs
: over after dinner alcoholic beverages.

Hmm, if only, then we might get a decision based on what is best
for the UK rather than what is best for a political party!
--
Regards, Jerry.

BBC to reduce DSat red button service to match Freeview
 

On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:59:47 +0000, Jerry wrote:

Sorry to say, I wouldn't believe a word those news papers print

Fair enough, you do consider them to be lying then.

BBC to reduce DSat red button service to match Freeview
 

"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
: On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:59:47 +0000, Jerry wrote:
:
: Sorry to say, I wouldn't believe a word those news papers
print
:
: Fair enough, you do consider them to be lying then.

No, that would be to east to contest, economical with the truth,
no lies but facts twisted for the reasons you snipped (for
brevity).
--
Regards, Jerry.

BBC to reduce DSat red button service to match Freeview
 

wrote:
They really are taking the **** with their "Platform Neutral" stance
now...

"During the course of this review, BBC management has stated its plans
to reduce the service’s use of capacity on the digital satellite and
cable platforms after the 2012 Olympics, to bring it closer to its
current usage on the digital terrestrial platform. This should result
in distribution cost savings to the BBC. We agree with this proposed
course of action, and we would expect BBC Red Button to reduce its
distribution costs by providing a more consistent level of service
across different digital TV platforms. Implementation date: 2012."

from
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets...tton_final.pdf

I wonder if there will be any distribution cost savings at all? Are
they really going to give up a transponder? Or maybe they'll let out
the space. Like they do all the other null packets they send. (!)


The transponder for those channels is leased by Sky.
I presume the BBC is paying BSkyB. Maybe this
statement is just a negotiating position.