Blue ray HD recorders
 

On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:25:53 +0000, Mike Henry
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In , "Dave Wade"
wrote:



"Jim" wrote in message
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Mike Henry wrote:
In , "David"
wrote:


"Geoff Berrow" wrote in message
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I have a Panasonic Viera Freesat TV and am thinking of getting a Blue
ray/HD recorder.

Thinking about getting the Panasonic DMR-BS850. Anyone got one? Good
choice?

A big variation in price!
http://www.google.co.uk/products/cat...d=0CDsQ8wIwAg#

From that page -"quite a few programmes, particularly on ITV HD are
copyright protected and can only be copied to BD or DVD disc in SD."

Who is responsible for that outrage? Panasonic, ITV, Freesat or a cartel
of them all? It's a Free To Air ie unencrypted broadcast, and someone is
preventing me from making a copy? Seriously?

Seriously, its part of the HDMI standard. See:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-ba...ent_Protection

Sorry, I didn't mean technically. I know that HDCP is part of HDMI, but
more to the point it's not part of what is broadcast. I was focusing on
the basic principle of a FTA broadcast. Who is deciding that with some
programmes they are going to try to prevent them being copied, despite
them being broadcast FTA?

In some cases it will be the programme makers.

There is a similar siutation with BBC iPlayer. Some programme makers
refuse to allow their stuff to be made available for viewing or
download.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Blue ray HD recorders
 

In article , Dave
Wade
wrote:



Who is responsible for that outrage? Panasonic, ITV, Freesat or a
cartel of them all? It's a Free To Air ie unencrypted broadcast, and
someone is preventing me from making a copy? Seriously?

Seriously, its part of the HDMI standard. See:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-ba...ent_Protection


IIRC the handbook that came with my (DTTV) Panasonix DVD videorecorder
also says that some broadcast content may be 'protected' and the recorder
will refuse to record it. However I don't think I've ever encountered this
in practice. Don't know if this is because UK DTTV doesn't cater for it.
Or if broadcasters are frightened to be the first to do it and get slagged
off by viewers. Or if this means such behaviour only happens with the 'pay'
channel since I don't watch any.

At present I have no interest in 'HD' or 'BluRay'. And if I did, one
deterrent is that I might waste money on a recorder that won't allow me to
record what I want. I suspect that - as ever - someone will duly produce
ways to record the 'protected' material anyway. The restriction will simply
bother honest indivuduals and help crooks get a better price for their
mass-bootlegged versions. So put money into the pockets of criminals whilst
disadvantaging the honest. Prohibition in action, yet again! :-)

Given the arrogance with which the 'movie biz' treats they people who pay
their wages I guess this is no surprise. Add it to the long 'nag screens'
that treat all paying customers as potential crooks, NTSC sic degradation
of 'PAL' sic source material, regional controls, etc.

I can see why the 'free as in freedom' approach is becoming so attractive
as an alternative to the way big companies try to control people whilst
extracting money from them.

Slainte,

Jim

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