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BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
On Friday, November 5th, 2010 at 05:08:18 -0700, Richard Russell declared:
When colour TV started a lot of the programmes were still in black & white. Was that a misrepresentation? Of course not! Surely the ITV companies were honest about this and the BBC were not? Prior to all programs on BBC-1 and BBC-2 there was an identification "BBC-1 Colour" and "BBC-2 Colour" even though the program was in monochrome, whereas the ITV companies only put "in Colour" when the program was in colour. Similarly today, there is a big logo in the top left of BBC-1 HD declaring BBC-1 HD on programs which are upscaled from SD, whereas on ITV-1 HD, only programs originating in HD have the ITV-1 HD logo displayed. It seems to me that the BBC continues in its policies of trying to fool the viewer. The same charge of misrepresentation can also be leveled at Channel4 and S4C who as far as I am aware display an HD logo even when the program is not HD material. |
BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
On Friday, November 5th, 2010 at 14:47:07h +0000, Geoff Berrow wrote:
AFAICS ITV news is in HD. Can anybody confirm that Granada Reports and London Tonight are now originated in the studio in HD? |
BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:47:07 +0000, Geoff Berrow
wrote: On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 05:08:18 -0700 (PDT), Richard Russell wrote: On Nov 5, 11:53*am, Geoff Berrow wrote: If most of it is simply upscaled SD (as it appears) then they are misrepresenting themselves by claiming to be BBC1 HD!! When colour TV started a lot of the programmes were still in black & white. Was that a misrepresentation? Of course not! When colour TV started (and yes, I remember) studio stuff and new material was always in colour. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect studio stuff and new material to be in HD. AFAICS ITV news is in HD. I can understand the likes of Sky and Virgin treating the viewer with contempt but not the BBC. What I can't understand is why you guys think this is OK. Can you not tolerate a transitional period? Should the BBC waste licence-fee payers' money by throwing away perfectly good SD equipment simply to replace it with HD equivalents. A phased replacement over a period of years is one thing, but doing all at one go would be silly. It would leave less money for making and buying programmes for a year or two. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
Geoff Berrow wrote:
AFAICS ITV news is in HD. It's not. No news programme that ITN currently produce is in HD. ITV1 HD are far more honest about what's upscaled SD, and what's native HD. Very simply if the ITV 1 HD DOG is on screen then the broadcast is native HD, if it's not there, then you're watching upscaled SD. The same applies for C4 HD I think, (I've not seen it for a while) Personally the current way in which BBC 1 HD is being 'presented' is very misleading, and frankly a disgrace. They should adopt ITV's presentational policy (if they *must* have a DOG at all). |
BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:28:50 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote: On Friday, November 5th, 2010 at 05:08:18 -0700, Richard Russell declared: When colour TV started a lot of the programmes were still in black & white. Was that a misrepresentation? Of course not! Surely the ITV companies were honest about this and the BBC were not? Prior to all programs on BBC-1 and BBC-2 there was an identification "BBC-1 Colour" and "BBC-2 Colour" even though the program was in monochrome, whereas the ITV companies only put "in Colour" when the program was in colour. Similarly today, there is a big logo in the top left of BBC-1 HD declaring BBC-1 HD on programs which are upscaled from SD, whereas on ITV-1 HD, only programs originating in HD have the ITV-1 HD logo displayed. It seems to me that the BBC continues in its policies of trying to fool the viewer. The same charge of misrepresentation can also be leveled at Channel4 and S4C who as far as I am aware display an HD logo even when the program is not HD material. Isn't the point that the BBC 1 HD logo is the channel name like all other channel ident logos? It does not say anything about the material currently being broadcast. ITV choose to do things differently with ITV-1 HD (which incidentally is of course still the name of the channel even when it is showing upscaled SD material). -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
J G Miller wrote:
: The same charge of misrepresentation can also be leveled at Channel4 : and S4C who as far as I am aware display an HD logo even when the : program is not HD material. You are wrong for C4 (not sure about S4C). It *ONLY* displays a logo for HD material - SD has nothing. Sky OneHD (AFAIR) has a logo for all material but only adds the letters "HD" for HD material. Also true for "Five" I believe. It is very much the BBC being out of step! |
BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
On Friday, November 5th, 2010 at 08:26:03h -0700, Richard Russell wrote:
Who is going to pay for HD CGI on programmes like Merlin (time as well as money)? But programs particularly of the type such as Merlin need to be in HD in order to maintain sales to the North American market. If it took something like 6 years to convert the BBC studios from B&W to colour, it seems perfectly reasonable for it to take a similar time to convert them to HD. Agreed, and the BBC should have started this process, probably 6 years ago so that it would be complete by the end of DSO. |
BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
If the material is good and better than the SD standards will it come out in HD? Cinema films being a good example if the BBC actually use 35mm cinema film or do they use some cheaper vehicle with poorer quality to equate to the lower standards of SD? Regards David |
BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
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BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
Peter Duncanson wrote:
: Non-technical genius in the BBC: : But all programmes on the BBC 1 HD channel *are* in HD. The SD : programmes are converted to HD before transmission. I still contend that the C4/Five/Sky approach of logos either not appearing or, at least, losing the letters "HD" for upscaled material is more honest! |
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