BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
 

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:
Reminded my wife to select 108 and not 101 for BBC1 and watch with better
pictures, "but why they are no better"
So BBC there is one ordinary viewer you have lost for HD bet there are
many,
many more.

The vast improvement of images of Eurosport SD on HD are immediately
obvious.
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Sadly my wife does not watch sport, so she will never see the difference.
Regards
David

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On Nov 5, 11:20*am, Alan wrote:
Pre August 2009 the quality was absolutely stunning. Post August 2009
it's just a bit better than SD.

I understand the purpose of hyperbole, but you know very well that the
difference was not as great as that. For a lot of typical material
the subjective quality pre- versus post- bitrate/encoder changes was
pretty much indistinguishable. For some highly testing material the
quality fell.

Richard.
http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 04:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Richard Russell
wrote:

On Nov 5, 10:40*am, Geoff Berrow wrote:
I'm saying that Autumnwatch Unsprung, which is shot with a few of
redheads in a makeshift studio and hand held cameras is significantly
better than the studio shots on the flagship BBC News programme which
one might reasonably expect to be shot in HD.

Reasonably expect? I would have expected news to be one of the last
programmes to go HD, because although the studio shots could be HD,
almost none of the actual 'news' material will be.

It's the studio shots I'm talking about, which, to be honest are
pretty dire even for SD. And yes I'd expect most UK news crews to be
shooting in HD now.


If you're
concerned about an offputting contrast when switching between HD and
SD sources, then news should remain SD! After all, news has a special
dispensation to use video sources of a far lower quality than would
normally be acceptable (e.g. video over IP).

The difference between SD and HD is marked for most programmes.
(Antiques roadshow in particular). Not so SD BBC1 and BBC1 HD.

I strongly suspect you're comparing SD with upconverted SD. Check
again when BBC1 HD is really in HD!

If most of it is simply upscaled SD (as it appears) then they are
misrepresenting themselves by claiming to be BBC1 HD!!
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Geoff Berrow (Put thecat out to email)
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Richard Russell wrote:


Richard is behaving like a typical BBC employee here

I'm not a BBC employee.

Well that's all right. Hil says I behave like a pig, but she knows I'm
not a pig.

Bill

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 04:49:55 -0700 (PDT), Richard Russell
wrote:

I understand the purpose of hyperbole, but you know very well that the
difference was not as great as that. For a lot of typical material
the subjective quality pre- versus post- bitrate/encoder changes was
pretty much indistinguishable. For some highly testing material the
quality fell.

Yes, your probably right about hyperbole but I wouldn't agree about
pretty much indistinguishable.

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On Nov 5, 11:53*am, Geoff Berrow wrote:
If most of it is simply upscaled SD (as it appears) then they are
misrepresenting themselves by claiming to be BBC1 HD!!

When colour TV started a lot of the programmes were still in black &
white. Was that a misrepresentation? Of course not!

There will be a lot of SD on BBC1 for a long time. Even some prestige
programmes like Merlin are not made in HD, because the CGI would be
too expensive. And what about repeats? You can argue about when
there's enough HD content to justify starting a 'BBC1 HD channel', but
there will always be a proportion of SD on it.

Richard.
http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/

BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?
 

There's some fairly relevant stuff he-

http://www.zen97962.zen.co.uk

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Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 05:08:18 -0700 (PDT), Richard Russell
wrote:

On Nov 5, 11:53*am, Geoff Berrow wrote:
If most of it is simply upscaled SD (as it appears) then they are
misrepresenting themselves by claiming to be BBC1 HD!!

When colour TV started a lot of the programmes were still in black &
white. Was that a misrepresentation? Of course not!

There will be a lot of SD on BBC1 for a long time. Even some prestige
programmes like Merlin are not made in HD, because the CGI would be
too expensive. And what about repeats? You can argue about when
there's enough HD content to justify starting a 'BBC1 HD channel', but
there will always be a proportion of SD on it.

Yes.

SD that has been upscaled to be transmitted via an HD channel will be of
higher quality when received than SD that has been transmitted via an SD
channel.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 05:08:18 -0700 (PDT), Richard Russell
wrote:

On Nov 5, 11:53*am, Geoff Berrow wrote:
If most of it is simply upscaled SD (as it appears) then they are
misrepresenting themselves by claiming to be BBC1 HD!!

When colour TV started a lot of the programmes were still in black &
white. Was that a misrepresentation? Of course not!

When colour TV started (and yes, I remember) studio stuff and new
material was always in colour. I don't think it's unreasonable to
expect studio stuff and new material to be in HD. AFAICS ITV news is
in HD.

I can understand the likes of Sky and Virgin treating the viewer with
contempt but not the BBC.

What I can't understand is why you guys think this is OK.
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My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
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On Nov 5, 2:47*pm, Geoff Berrow wrote:
When colour TV started (and yes, I remember) studio stuff and new
material was always in colour.

Your memory is faulty. When colour first started on BBC2 (1967)
plenty of programmes were still made in black and white because not
all the studios had been converted to colour. Here are some dates:

TC6 converted to colour in 1967
TC8 converted to colour in 1968
TC1 converted to colour in 1968
TC3 converted to colour in 1969
TC4 converted to colour in 1970
TC5 converted to colour in 1973

I don't think it's unreasonable to
expect studio stuff and new material to be in HD.

I think it's totally unreasonable. Who is going to pay for the
studios to be converted and re-equipped? Who is going to pay for HD
CGI on programmes like Merlin (time as well as money)? If it took
something like 6 years to convert the BBC studios from B&W to colour,
it seems perfectly reasonable for it to take a similar time to convert
them to HD.

Richard.
http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/