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"David" wrote in message ...


I just can't understand why 109 is not doing BBC HD now, yes a duplicate of
108, so on Wednesday we have nothing to do with continuing with BBC HD on
one channel at least and we have the assurance that 109 is ok.
Regards
David





personally, i'd rather they gave me the option of mapping bbc 1 hd to 101
and itv hd to 103.



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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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I hope the "geniuses" in the BBC have thought this through properly.

Well I do not think they have!

I just can't understand why 109 is not doing BBC HD now, yes a duplicate of
108, so on Wednesday we have nothing to do with continuing with BBC HD on
one channel at least and we have the assurance that 109 is ok.

I can't think of any obvious technical reason for not doing that. The
transmission capacity exists and is being use for a "coming soon"
picture. It could be put into the Freesat channel list and EPG in
advance of its starting to broadcast BBC One HD.

Not doing that seems to be a strange way of doing things, and one that
is likely to cause annoyance among keen but less technically minded
viewers.


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Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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"The dog from that film you saw" wrote in
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"
personally, i'd rather they gave me the option of mapping bbc 1 hd to 101
and itv hd to 103.



Moving channels that was something these "Experts" decided not to put in the
Spec. or did they just forget.
My TV maker when I complained about its lack of the feature told me they
were not allowed to include it by Freesat.
Regards
David

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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 17:07:46 -0000, "David" wrote:


Not doing that seems to be a strange way of doing things, and one that
is likely to cause annoyance among keen but less technically minded
viewers.


How are the other Platforms doing such as Sky, Freeview and Virgin Media
have they got their numbers and transmissions going in advance?
Regards
David

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wrote:

I didn't put it quite like that, but his response was basically that
if the BBC did that, then many people would go and watch ITV and/or
Sky, and there'd be no publicly funded BBC left. A kind of "we have to
half wreck it ourselves to stop someone else coming along and
annihilating it completely" argument.

It's worthy of something Douglas Adams might have written for THHGTTG.


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In message , David
writes


"The dog from that film you saw"
wrote in message ...


"
personally, i'd rather they gave me the option of mapping bbc 1 hd to
101 and itv hd to 103.



Moving channels that was something these "Experts" decided not to put
in the Spec. or did they just forget.
My TV maker when I complained about its lack of the feature told me
they were not allowed to include it by Freesat.
Regards
David

OK, there must be a technical reason, and I'd be happy to hear it, but
why can't they just "add" BBC1 HD on 109, leaving BBC HD alone?
--
Ian

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Mark Carver wrote:
wrote:

I didn't put it quite like that, but his response was basically that
if the BBC did that, then many people would go and watch ITV and/or
Sky, and there'd be no publicly funded BBC left. A kind of "we have to
half wreck it ourselves to stop someone else coming along and
annihilating it completely" argument.

It's worthy of something Douglas Adams might have written for THHGTTG.

Or Heller, for Catch 22.

Bill

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On 1 Nov, 19:23, Mike Henry wrote:
In ,

" wrote:

[...]

To be fair, the argument wasn't BS. It went like this: BBC funding is
always under threat. Lots of viewers claim to "never watch the BBC",
which undermines the license fee. Whereas the truth is that most of
these viewers do watch the BBC, but they forget they watch it, or
don't know they're watching the BBC when they are. So if we put our
logo on all the channels, they can't forget, and will realise what
good value for money they're getting.

That was the argument they used for putting a huge BBC logo slap bang on
the screen in the first 10 seconds of every programme. It's a valid
argument in that case.

That's more for when the content finds its way onto other (especially
non-BBC) channels.

It's not an argument for extending this to a permanent DOG.

Well, accepting the "our critics are idiots" argument, it is - these
people might miss the start of the programme, or forget.

My answer was we should go back to the 1930s, where such stupid people
knew to keep their mouths shut, no one was interested in their
opinions, and no one would take any notice of what they said. Rather
than the 21st century attitude of running things to cater for the
lowest common denominator, and ignoring the demands of anything better/
higher.

I didn't put it quite like that, but his response was basically that
if the BBC did that, then many people would go and watch ITV and/or
Sky, and there'd be no publicly funded BBC left. A kind of "we have to
half wreck it ourselves to stop someone else coming along and
annihilating it completely" argument.

I hope you put him right after that?

What, you think I could have convinced him and changed BBC policy on
the spot by reasoned argument?

I shall restrain myself from commenting. I still regularly talk to
folks from the Beeb (though not usually the pretentious ones!).

What was said next?

I went and looked at a demo of archiving all the BBC's terrestrial
broadcasts, including BBCi, to HDD, and providing an interface to be
able to experience an as-live recreation of the "red button" feature
at some point in the future.

After all, if
what he said was true, the BBC would have permanent DOGs on SD BBC1 and
BBC2 analogue+digital *right now* and would have done so since 1998. But
instead, they know full well why they daren't put permanent DOGs on BBC1
and BBC2 analogue+digital.

True - but by putting them on the HD version, and eventually phasing
out the SD version, they've got what they want.

I suspect the tide might turn - not such that the DOG is removed - but
just _maybe_ by making it optional. You never know.

Cheers,
David.

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On 1 Nov, 17:54, "David" wrote:
"The dog from that film you saw" wrote in
...

"
personally, i'd rather they gave me the option of mapping bbc 1 hd to 101
and itv hd to 103.

Moving channels that was something these "Experts" decided not to put in the
Spec. or did they just forget.
My TV maker when I complained about its lack of the feature told me they
were not allowed to include it by Freesat.

Exactly - it's not a technical decision at all. AFAICT it's trivial
for STB manufacturers to allow you to move channels, but if they offer
that facility, they cannot used the Freesat branding (or, "legally",
the Freesat EPG).

Cheers,
David.

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