New five DOG
 

If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.

New five DOG
 

In article ,
J G Miller wrote:

If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

Only if you watch channel 5.

-- Richard

New five DOG
 

"Richard Tobin" wrote in message
...
In article ,
J G Miller wrote:

If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

Only if you watch channel 5.

-- Richard

Quite correct! I have removed '5' from my list of channels along with the
other **** like ITV1/2/3 etc.

New five DOG
 

Brian Gaff wrote:
Its not those that annoy me its the total waste of space of +1 channels that
annoys me.

I mean, with the advent of really cheap time shifter boxes which I prefer
to call them, what exactly is the point? The only one I can see is that
people who are really disorganised get to forget to record stuff they wanted
to see and catch it an hour later, well I'm sorry if that is the only
reason, then why not have channels that repeat everything an hour later on
for ever, Oh, yes those exist as well don't they.. grin.
Total shambles.

Speaking as somebody WITH a 2-tuner PVR (topfield)
I find +1 channels useful when there's a THREE way
clash; this sometimes happens in the 21:00 timeslot.

Lacking other repeats, the +1 channels become valuable to me.

I'd be just as happy with a "stupid O clock in the morning"
repeat on the main channel, of course.

BugBear

New five DOG
 

J G Miller wrote:
If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.

I already avoid five due to the DOG so changing it won't make any
difference.
--
Adrian

New five DOG
 

On 22 Oct, 10:09, "Brian Gaff" wrote:
Its not those that annoy me its the total waste of space of +1 channels that
annoys me.

*I mean, with the advent of really cheap *time shifter boxes which I prefer
to call them, what exactly is the point?

The timeshifts of the main channels get _more_ viewers than most of
the smaller channels.

I have to admit to using them. I have plenty of series links set up on
my PVR, but that doesn't stop be popping the TV on, seeing the last
five minutes of something interesting on CH4, and being glad of having
CH4+1 there to record it for later viewing.

With a YouView box (iPlayer, ITV player, 4OD, 5 etc on the TV) this
would become less important - though I don't always watch things
within 7 days of broadcast, so I'd probably still record the +1
channel in this instance. I would just have to be organised enough to
catch the programme on-line within 7 days if the +1 channel wasn't
there.

At the end of the day, logic doesn't matter - it's how many people use
the +1 channels that matters! Just because we could all be organised
enough to not need them doesn't mean that we will.

Cheers,
David.

New five DOG
 

Mike Henry wrote:
In , bugbear
wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote:
Its not those that annoy me its the total waste of space of +1 channels that
annoys me.

I mean, with the advent of really cheap time shifter boxes which I prefer
to call them, what exactly is the point? The only one I can see is that
people who are really disorganised get to forget to record stuff they wanted
to see and catch it an hour later, well I'm sorry if that is the only
reason, then why not have channels that repeat everything an hour later on
for ever, Oh, yes those exist as well don't they.. grin.
Total shambles.
Speaking as somebody WITH a 2-tuner PVR (topfield)
I find +1 channels useful when there's a THREE way
clash; this sometimes happens in the 21:00 timeslot.

Lacking other repeats, the +1 channels become valuable to me.

I agree. Speaking as a TiVo owner who watches programmes not channels, the
extra showings are always welcome. The great thing is once I've set up
multiple Season Passes for a programme on each of its channels, I can
forget about it and just let the recordings flow in. I never need to worry
about which channel any episode is being recorded from. TiVo just picks
the one that doesn't clash first and handles it all for me without getting
two copies of anything.

I'd be just as happy with a "stupid O clock in the morning"
repeat on the main channel, of course.

Those are fine for me too. The more showings, the better! Some people may
not like the signing however.

The only problem with TiVo is they're getting rather long in the tooth
now and when they die will be very difficult to replace.

--
Adrian

New five DOG
 

Brian Gaff wrote:
Its not those that annoy me its the total waste of space of +1
channels that annoys me.

I mean, with the advent of really cheap time shifter boxes which I
prefer to call them, what exactly is the point?

I've often thought that - until recently. My wife goes out with her friend
on a Wednesday night so the things we like to watch have to be recorded and
watched together at a later time. Last night brought the first in the new
series of Bones on Sky1 at 21.00, Leverage on Bravo at 21.00, Castle on
Alibi at 21.00 and Burn Notice on FX at 22.00.

Sky+ box, of course can record two programmes at once so I set it to record
Bones and Leverage 21.00 to 22.00, got Castle on Alibi +1 22.00 to 23.00 and
Burn Notice on FX +1 23.00 to 0.00.

Thank goodness for +1 channels I say :-)

New five DOG
 

Adrian wrote:
J G Miller wrote:
If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.

I already avoid five due to the DOG so changing it won't make any
difference.

I find people like you a bit strange to be honest. I watch "programmes" not
"channels". If there's a programme that I want to watch, I watch it, DOG or
not. I hate DOGs but they are here to stay so I'm not going to cut off my
nose to spite my face.

New five DOG
 

"Pete Zahut" wrote in message
...
Brian Gaff wrote:
Its not those that annoy me its the total waste of space of +1
channels that annoys me.

I mean, with the advent of really cheap time shifter boxes which I
prefer to call them, what exactly is the point?

I've often thought that - until recently. My wife goes out with her friend
on a Wednesday night so the things we like to watch have to be recorded
and watched together at a later time. Last night brought the first in the
new series of Bones on Sky1 at 21.00, Leverage on Bravo at 21.00, Castle
on Alibi at 21.00 and Burn Notice on FX at 22.00.

Sky+ box, of course can record two programmes at once so I set it to
record Bones and Leverage 21.00 to 22.00, got Castle on Alibi +1 22.00 to
23.00 and Burn Notice on FX +1 23.00 to 0.00.

Thank goodness for +1 channels I say :-)


I'm in total agreement with all those supporting the +1 channels for all the
reasons given. I seldom watch anything on commercial TV without recording it
first to remove all the adverts, or we start watching it 15 minutes after
the start time. This sometimes results in three way programme clashes
especially (as others have noted) at the 21.00 slot.

New five DOG
 

On Friday, October 22nd, 2010 at 11:01:22h +0100, BugBear wrote:

Lacking other repeats, the +1 channels become valuable to me.

Do you think there should be 15 BBC-1 HD +1 streams and 15 ITV-1 HD +1
streams as well?

I'd be just as happy with a "stupid O clock in the morning" repeat on
the main channel, of course.

Does not BBC i-Player provide this type of service?

+1 stations and i-Player and associates are signs that the broadcasters
are finally realizing that the days of linear TV broadcasts are coming
to an end.

New five DOG
 

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:31:14 +0100, Pete Zahut wrote:

If there's a programme that I want to watch, I watch it,
DOG or not. I hate DOGs but they are here to stay so I'm not going to
cut off my nose to spite my face.

Of course the 64 trillion Pound Sterling question is

"Will BBC-1 HD have a DOG?"

New five DOG
 

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:39:41 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:31:14 +0100, Pete Zahut wrote:

If there's a programme that I want to watch, I watch it,
DOG or not. I hate DOGs but they are here to stay so I'm not going to
cut off my nose to spite my face.

Of course the 64 trillion Pound Sterling question is

"Will BBC-1 HD have a DOG?"

Will you send me the 64 trillion Pound Sterling if I guess correctly?


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

New five DOG
 

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:46:05 +0100, Peter Duncanson wrote:

Will you send me the 64 trillion Pound Sterling if I guess correctly?

You have to pay the security and handling fee in advance, and then
go to a warehouse in Lagos, Nigeria to pick up the trunk containing
the bank notes in person ;) ;) ;)

New five DOG
 

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:26:52 +0100, "Pete Zahut"
wrote:


Thank goodness for +1 channels I say :-)

Well, yes, I see what you mean, but on the other hand I get only two
MUXs (I'm on a relay) and the channels I get - apart from the
"terrestrial" and BBC channels are;

4+1
More 4
ITV 2
ITV 2+1
E4
Rabbit
Gay Rabbit

What a ****poor selection!

New five DOG
 

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:58:02 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:46:05 +0100, Peter Duncanson wrote:

Will you send me the 64 trillion Pound Sterling if I guess correctly?

You have to pay the security and handling fee in advance, and then
go to a warehouse in Lagos, Nigeria to pick up the trunk containing
the bank notes in person ;) ;) ;)

Thank you. That's very helpful. :-)


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

New five DOG
 

Pete Zahut wrote:
Adrian wrote:
J G Miller wrote:
If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.
I already avoid five due to the DOG so changing it won't make any
difference.

I find people like you a bit strange to be honest. I watch "programmes" not
"channels". If there's a programme that I want to watch, I watch it, DOG or
not. I hate DOGs but they are here to stay so I'm not going to cut off my
nose to spite my face.


There is very little on five that I want to watch anyway, if there is
I'm quite happy to wait for it on DVD and to rent the series for a
couple of quid.

--
Adrian

New five DOG
 

Mike Henry wrote:
In , Adrian
wrote:
Mike Henry wrote:
In , bugbear
wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote:
Its not those that annoy me its the total waste of space of +1 channels that
annoys me.

I mean, with the advent of really cheap time shifter boxes which I prefer
to call them, what exactly is the point? The only one I can see is that
people who are really disorganised get to forget to record stuff they wanted
to see and catch it an hour later, well I'm sorry if that is the only
reason, then why not have channels that repeat everything an hour later on
for ever, Oh, yes those exist as well don't they.. grin.
Total shambles.
Speaking as somebody WITH a 2-tuner PVR (topfield)
I find +1 channels useful when there's a THREE way
clash; this sometimes happens in the 21:00 timeslot.

Lacking other repeats, the +1 channels become valuable to me.
I agree. Speaking as a TiVo owner who watches programmes not channels, the
extra showings are always welcome. The great thing is once I've set up
multiple Season Passes for a programme on each of its channels, I can
forget about it and just let the recordings flow in. I never need to worry
about which channel any episode is being recorded from. TiVo just picks
the one that doesn't clash first and handles it all for me without getting
two copies of anything.

I'd be just as happy with a "stupid O clock in the morning"
repeat on the main channel, of course.
Those are fine for me too. The more showings, the better! Some people may
not like the signing however.

The only problem with TiVo is they're getting rather long in the tooth
now and when they die will be very difficult to replace.

With series1, yes. New UK TiVos coming to Virgin soon.

But those will only be of use to cable customers.

--
Adrian

New five DOG
 

a pain in the arse more like....like you, I watch the prog not the dog.
These complaining posters are just little old women with nowt to do put post
silly things.


"Pete Zahut" wrote in message
...
Adrian wrote:
J G Miller wrote:
If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.

I already avoid five due to the DOG so changing it won't make any
difference.

I find people like you a bit strange to be honest. I watch "programmes"
not "channels". If there's a programme that I want to watch, I watch it,
DOG or not. I hate DOGs but they are here to stay so I'm not going to cut
off my nose to spite my face.

New five DOG
 

On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:06:48 +0100, "Jumbo Jack"
wrote:

a pain in the arse more like....like you, I watch the prog not the dog.
These complaining posters are just little old women with nowt to do put post
silly things.


I'm not a little old woman but a big old man who hates DOGs. I find
DOGs distract me from program watching because my eyes always drift up
to the DOG.

Steve

New five DOG
 

On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:35:15 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.

There should be an option to remove all logos with Sky, Freesat,
Freeview, Cable etc. With Sky you can press the backup button to
remove annoying red dots and other interactive branding from the
screen but its only a temporary solution and after the next
advertising break they usually re-appear. You also can't remove the
main channel branding. There should be a button that permanently
removes it all so you at least have the option, and it should remember
your preference too.

Does anyone know whatever happened to the Campaign for Logo Free TV?
Their URL seems to be some sort of Japanese site now.

It now seems to be all channels doing it not just the ones you have
through a Sky box. Some of the logos are ridiculous too they take up
large tracts of the screen. There is one channel I know of that had a
logo in the top left, top right and bottom left too and even bigger
ones that popped up while you were watching a film to advertise what
was on that channel next. When they popped up it also made a loud
sound clip that was considerably louder than the programme you were
watching. I complained about it to a few different places and they
said there was nothing they could do about it because it wasn't a
regular advertisement it was part of the channels own promotion or
something along those lines. So the only option I had was complain
directly to the channel who were not going to listen anyway so I just
stopped watching that channel.

New five DOG
 

"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:06:48 +0100, "Jumbo Jack"
wrote:

a pain in the arse more like....like you, I watch the prog not the dog.
These complaining posters are just little old women with nowt to do put
post
silly things.


I'm not a little old woman but a big old man who hates DOGs. I find
DOGs distract me from program watching because my eyes always drift up
to the DOG.

Steve


try watching something other than corry or east enders then...

New five DOG
 

On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 21:36:19 +0100, Pigmy Elephant wrote:

With Sky you can press the backup button to remove
annoying red dots and other interactive branding from the screen

With FTA satellite receivers, the red dots never appear thankfully.

You also can't remove the main channel branding.

It is all part of a cunning plan that if you want to watch a show
in its pristine format, you have to buy the DVD/Blu-Ray release
after the season has completed.

Some of the logos are ridiculous too they take up
large tracts of the screen.

Agreed, ever watched OTV? Complete with animated DOG and
constant tickertape and swirling background studio set?

Surely the ultimate in distracting over the top graphics.

http://www.otv.com.RO/

New five DOG
 

On 23 Oct,
Pigmy Elephant wrote:

It now seems to be all channels doing it not just the ones you have
through a Sky box. Some of the logos are ridiculous too they take up
large tracts of the screen. There is one channel I know of that had a
logo in the top left, top right and bottom left too and even bigger
ones that popped up while you were watching a film to advertise what
was on that channel next. When they popped up it also made a loud
sound clip that was considerably louder than the programme you were
watching. I complained about it to a few different places and they
said there was nothing they could do about it because it wasn't a
regular advertisement it was part of the channels own promotion or
something along those lines. So the only option I had was complain
directly to the channel who were not going to listen anyway so I just
stopped watching that channel.

I've nearly stopped watching BBC News24 due to half the screen being taken up
by non-transparent captions, completely eradicating a lot of the original
picture(including original captions). This often means the coverage is
broken.

--
BD
Change lycos to yahoo to reply

New five DOG
 

"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.


I don't watch channels with DOG ****.

New five DOG
 

"Pete Zahut" wrote in message
...
Adrian wrote:
J G Miller wrote:
If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.

I already avoid five due to the DOG so changing it won't make any
difference.

I find people like you a bit strange to be honest. I watch "programmes"
not "channels". If there's a programme that I want to watch, I watch it,
DOG or not. I hate DOGs but they are here to stay so I'm not going to cut
off my nose to spite my face.



I watch TV programmes NOT DOG ****. If DOG **** comes with the programme I
either source the programme without DOG **** or don't watch it.

No worthy programme is ever only available with DOG ****.

New five DOG
 

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:56:56 +0100, "Light of Aria"
wrote:


"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.


I don't watch channels with DOG ****.


I'm just the same. The problem is that we are down to only watching
BBC 1 & 2. Most of the time that's all I want!

Steve

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New five DOG
 

Martin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:00:54 +0100, "Light of Aria"
wrote:

"Pete Zahut" wrote in message
...
Adrian wrote:
J G Miller wrote:
If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.
I already avoid five due to the DOG so changing it won't make any
difference.
I find people like you a bit strange to be honest. I watch "programmes"
not "channels". If there's a programme that I want to watch, I watch it,
DOG or not. I hate DOGs but they are here to stay so I'm not going to cut
off my nose to spite my face.


I watch TV programmes NOT DOG ****. If DOG **** comes with the programme I
either source the programme without DOG **** or don't watch it.

No worthy programme is ever only available with DOG ****.


How could you know?

Like everyone else presumably, he can read the listings.
--
Adrian

New five DOG
 

"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:56:56 +0100, "Light of Aria"
wrote:


"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.


I don't watch channels with DOG ****.


I'm just the same. The problem is that we are down to only watching
BBC 1 & 2. Most of the time that's all I want!

Steve

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Exactly!

New five DOG
 

How could you know?

Like everyone else presumably, he can read the listings.
--
Adrian



No one of any genius or significant importance would confine their media
career to only appearing on a DOG **** flawed minority audience channel with
an audience the size of a cricket arena.

Anyone of any importance to the world with any idea of any significance
would appear on a DOG ****-less channel and more importantly in the books,
newspapers, t'interweb feeds, and blogosphere that many members of public
including I widely survey.

DOG **** is the signifier of unimportance, irrelevance, and insignificance.

Many of us out here know what it means.

New five DOG
 

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:56:56 +0100, "Light of Aria"
wrote:


"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
If you get annoyed by the current five DOG, you are going to like
the one that is coming to your screens soon even less.

http://www.flickr.COM/photos/onshore/5100860850/

Photo courtesy of djonshore.


I don't watch channels with DOG ****.

I don't usually either. I do find that /where/ the DOG is makes a big
difference to how annoying the DOG is. Top left, followed by top
right are the worst. DOGs at the bottom I find less distracting but I
would prefer there were none.

I don't watch C5 at all.
--
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(='.'=) Due to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and
(")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking some articles
posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by
everyone you will need use a different method of posting.

New five DOG
 

Op Maandag, 25 Oktober, 2010 16:29:07 +0200, Martin van Nederlands schreef:

You can't judge a programme just by reading the listings.

"Read the TV Guide, you don't need a TV."

Grandpa in "The Lost Boys"

New five DOG
 

Light of Aria wrote:

DOG **** is the signifier of unimportance, irrelevance, and insignificance.

I never seem to notice on-screen channel idents. If I did notice them I
wouldn't care. It's only like something in the corner of your
windscreen. You don't have to look at it if you don't want to. Most TV
pictures include large amounts of irrelevance: the studio wall, the far
distance in an outdoor shot. I don't look at them; I look at the
interesting things on the screen.

If you have a busy life there just isn't time to worry about such things.

Bill

New five DOG
 

In article , Bill Wright wrote:
DOG **** is the signifier of unimportance, irrelevance, and
insignificance.

I never seem to notice on-screen channel idents. If I did notice them I
wouldn't care. It's only like something in the corner of your
windscreen. You don't have to look at it if you don't want to. Most TV
pictures include large amounts of irrelevance: the studio wall, the far
distance in an outdoor shot. I don't look at them; I look at the
interesting things on the screen.

If you have a busy life there just isn't time to worry about such things.

Since I no longer have any involvement with the making of TV programmes, I
tend not to give a toss about anything on screen that doesn't interest me,
and as a result I find I can almost enjoy some of the programmes now.

However, that doesn't mean *nobody* should pay any attention to the
technical niceties. It's a shame that fewer people nowadays seem to care
about the quality of what they do.

Rod.
--
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/

New five DOG
 

On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:19:30 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

Light of Aria wrote:

DOG **** is the signifier of unimportance, irrelevance, and insignificance.

I never seem to notice on-screen channel idents. If I did notice them I
wouldn't care. It's only like something in the corner of your
windscreen. You don't have to look at it if you don't want to. Most TV
pictures include large amounts of irrelevance: the studio wall, the far
distance in an outdoor shot. I don't look at them; I look at the
interesting things on the screen.


What if the DOG is covering up a face? It's quite common to position
active speakers in the top left corner.

If you have a busy life there just isn't time to worry about such things.


I don't worry about DOGs but I avoid watching programs on channels
that use DOGs.

Steve

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New five DOG
 

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Light of Aria wrote:

DOG **** is the signifier of unimportance, irrelevance, and
insignificance.

I never seem to notice on-screen channel idents. If I did notice them I
wouldn't care. It's only like something in the corner of your windscreen.
Bill



Yes. As a cyclist, that would be I then.

New five DOG
 

Light of Aria wrote:

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Light of Aria wrote:

DOG **** is the signifier of unimportance, irrelevance, and
insignificance.

I never seem to notice on-screen channel idents. If I did notice them
I wouldn't care. It's only like something in the corner of your
windscreen. Bill



Yes. As a cyclist, that would be I then.

Or me. I'm a cyclist as well. But I meant (as you full well know)
something like a parking permit. Cyclists are 'part of the action!'

Bill

New five DOG
 

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Light of Aria wrote:

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Light of Aria wrote:

DOG **** is the signifier of unimportance, irrelevance, and
insignificance.

I never seem to notice on-screen channel idents. If I did notice them I
wouldn't care. It's only like something in the corner of your
windscreen. Bill



Yes. As a cyclist, that would be I then.

Or me. I'm a cyclist as well. But I meant (as you full well know)
something like a parking permit. Cyclists are 'part of the action!'

Bill


With my TV set, the entire image is what I regard as sacrosanct, not what
some marketing arsehole deems as important to themselves.

I propose a counter deal with The BBC: They can write DOG **** on MY tv
picture if I have carte blanche permission to come along to their own
private houses and write my own drivel on their TV sets, mirrors, and
windows at any time I choose.