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No this was as I said years ago. The telly was a widescreen CRT
monster. Remember those great heavy cheap sets where you thought it
would break under its own weight if you lifted one end? I can't
actually remember but it might even have been analogue satellite that
was built in.

Analogue satellite was composite only, so there wouldn't have been an issue here.


I do remember though that it was perfectly obvious that
they'd cobbled in a normal satellite receiver, with no serious attempt
at integration. On switching to satellite the OSGs were completely
different. The telly had been a 'bargain' and the man was very proud
of it. Apart from the fact that the satellite was composite the
picture was very poor anyway. I can't remember anything about the
aspect ratio situation. I can't remember where the Sky card went in
either.

To the best of my knowledge there were only two manufacturers which sold CRT sets with integrated Sky Digital receivers; Panasonic
and LG. A legal threat from Sky prevented the LG models from being made for very long.
A schoolfriend had one of the LG sets and it wasn't composite only. iirc it also didn't respond to normal Sky remotes, so they'd
done more than just cobbling in a normal receiver.

I repaired a couple of those LG sets. The satellite decoder was a modified Pace digibox,
a 2500S IIRC. It didn't have a front control escutcheon but it did have its case, and was recognisably
a Pace. It connected to the TV chassis with dated looking Jones connecters.
I think the IR code conversion was done by the TV and the expected codes were sent over
wires to the digibox.

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In article , J r powell wrote:
And of course you can't adjust the picture when it's from the RGB source.

On most modern CRT sets you can.

Yes, but not on this Panasonic, which I guess will be 20 years old.

Colour saturation via RGB on such a set is typically equivalent to that of
composite with the colour control set to mid-position, which is fine for most
people. I have seen a few exceptions, however.

RGB is effectively the signal from each colour sensor in the camera fed to the
corresponding emitters on the screen without any crosstalk. Thus I take it to be
what the programme makers saw on their monitors and therefore what they intended
us to see, and on that basis I'd have no reason to want to change it.

I hope you are taking notes Bill ;-)

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"j r powell" wrote in message ...

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On Oct 5, 9:42 pm, "j r powell" wrote:
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Panasonic CRT set here and it has that annying fault that used to be
so common: if there's an RGB signal present at the scart it mixes with
the tuner output so you can't watch normal telly.

...that's because pin16 signalling is never meant to be on without pin8 being on
as well, and it wouldn't be if you hadn't cut the wire :p

No, I'm not talking about when pin 8 has been cut. This is with
unmolested scart leads.

That was much less common in my experience. There were many older sets where the presence of signalling on pin8 locked them to the
AV input, regardless of which channel preset you tried to select - only teletext operation was affected by the "RGB mixing" issue
in that case.


As an aside, I'm not sure if the very earliest SCART implementations supported autoswitching - anyone know?
Although it's been mandatory in France since 1980, the earliest SCART-enabled set I've seen in the UK was a non-remote Philips
from the mid-80s. This had a manual button on the rear to switch between composite and RGB, and a rotary knob on the front to
switch between SCART and internal tuner.



And of course you can't adjust the picture when it's from the RGB source.

On most modern CRT sets you can.

Yes, but not on this Panasonic, which I guess will be 20 years old.

Colour saturation via RGB on such a set is typically equivalent to that of composite with the colour control set to mid-position,
which is fine for most people. I have seen a few exceptions, however.

Have you ever seen a pre-SCART TV with an RGB input on a 5 pin domino DIN?


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In article ,
j r powell wrote:
Not quite sure what you mean by 'vibrant' colours. There might be a
fewer number of colours in computer terms on a reduced data rate, but
all are capable of giving fully saturated colours. But PAL wasn't
perfect in this respect either.

You are without clue.

Only an amateur talks about 'vibrant' colours. And a talentless one at
that.

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On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 23:24:01 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Only an amateur talks about 'vibrant' colours.

Or a salesman for overpriced cables ;)

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In article ,
Graham. wrote:
Have you ever seen a pre-SCART TV with an RGB input on a 5 pin domino
DIN?

Got a 14" Ferguson like that. Think they are actually TTL levels for early
computers. Has a SCART too. Any use to anyone?

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"Dave Plowfool" wrote in message
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In article ,
j r powell wrote:
Not quite sure what you mean by 'vibrant' colours. There might be a
fewer number of colours in computer terms on a reduced data rate, but
all are capable of giving fully saturated colours. But PAL wasn't
perfect in this respect either.

You are without clue.

Only an amateur talks about 'vibrant' colours. And a talentless one at
that.

********.

You're the talentless amateur here, Plowfool.


jamie.
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"Graham." wrote in message
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Have you ever seen a pre-SCART TV with an RGB input on a 5 pin domino DIN?

A mid-80s Ferguson one, yep.
It also used non-standard colours for the Fastext buttons, and received the
never-implemented UK version of A2 stereo (which I still haven't been able to
find the full specs for incidentally) rather than NICAM.

There's also a Barclay's Bank not too far from here, which to this day still
uses a DIN-equipped CRT TV from the same era as a CCTV monitor. The DIN socket
is unused however; it's fed with an RF cable.
Just how this set has lasted so long in daily use is anyone's guess.

jamie.
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On Oct 8, 11:14*am, "
wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:33*am, Roderick Stewart

wrote:
In article , J r powell wrote:
One only has to compare HD programming with the downconverted SD versions to see
that the latter has inferior colour depth.

If that's the case, then the downconverter must be set to do something other than
downconvert, because downconversion is simply a matter of changing the number of
pixels in the image, nothing else. If I resize one of my digital photographs it
doesn't change colour as well - why should it? It would be very difficult to work
with digital photography if it did.

Presumably the values of a number of adjacent pixels are integrated.

Bill

Hey that's really odd! This was one message of several that I sent
that did not appear. Now this one has, but the others haven't. It
reminds me of City Link.

Bill

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In article , J r powell wrote:
If you look at what I wrote again, you'll see that I was talking about
*broadcast* picture quality as viewed at home; specifically MPEG2 SD mush VS the
long-lost PAL broadcast chains.
Either you just didn't bother to follow what I wrote, or you're editing me down
and selectively quoting me out of contect to try and make me look stupid (a
technique often employed by TV programme makers when "airing" views which "go
against the grain").

I'm not attempting to make you look stupid, or anything else for that matter. The
discussion is not about you, it's about television. Don't take it personally.

Rod.
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