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In a previous thread I said I wished I had gone for a Panasonic rather than
a Samsung.

So the Story is this.

Saw a Sony in a shop and it was good. I wanted a 3D TV.

Did some research and decided to go for the Large Samsung Plasma. 50". Got a
reasonable deal from Argos ( buy TV and Glasses together get a 3D bluray
player free).
Did more research and Samsung appear good by all reports.

Ordered it plus 2 extra sets of glasses from Amazon. £48 each.

TV arrives and the picture is good. It does a lot so it takes a while to set
up and test. We go on holiday for 2 weeks and then I get a chance to play
with the TV.
I notice a flicker on the main subject of the picture. Actually Doc Martin
walking against a 'busy' background.

Now i see this all the time.

I look on the net to see if it is a simple set up thing and i see a
reference to flicker in a review. and on a few forum things. People are
making light of it and it appears that it is a 50 Hz thing mostly. and some
say you can reduce it by settings. this is not a little thing. Samsung say
it is a small thing apparently they say it is an effect of flat screen
technology.

My Panasonic HD 32" has not got this effect so it is a Samsung thing and
despite the newness and the really good functions I really Hate this set (
only because of the flicker) but my 'send it back time' is run out because I
was on Holiday.

What to do Now? any suggestions would be helpful.

Gary

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Gary formulated the question :

I really Hate this set........

I'm sorry you hate it. I'm very sensitive to flicker and I'd hate it
too.

I think Samsung blaming it on "flat screen technology" is complete
********. My guess is that it's to do with the 3D processing, whereby
they halve the picture rate in order to show the left and right eye
views alternately.

Is there some way you could disable the 3D bit altogether and see if
it's any better?

I'm sorry I can't be more helpful. But I've never heard of any modern
flat panel TV suffering from flickering (smearing, maybe, but not
flickering), which makes me think it's something to do with the 3D
processing.

SteveT

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"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
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Gary formulated the question :

I really Hate this set........

I'm sorry you hate it. I'm very sensitive to flicker and I'd hate it too.

I think Samsung blaming it on "flat screen technology" is complete
********. My guess is that it's to do with the 3D processing, whereby
they halve the picture rate in order to show the left and right eye views
alternately.

Is there some way you could disable the 3D bit altogether and see if it's
any better?

I'm sorry I can't be more helpful. But I've never heard of any modern
flat panel TV suffering from flickering (smearing, maybe, but not
flickering), which makes me think it's something to do with the 3D
processing.

SteveT




On the forums it is all the plasmas that suffer it. not just the 3D .
and it happens in 2d and 3D settings from 50z signal.
I will try some us DVDs to see if that is true. . I had never heard of it
either.
Will report back.

It could be mine is a bad one. I hope it is then i can get it replaced.

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In article , Gary wrote:
On the forums it is all the plasmas that suffer it. not just the 3D .
and it happens in 2d and 3D settings from 50z signal.
I will try some us DVDs to see if that is true. . I had never heard of it
either.

I can't comment on 3D displays because I haven't got one, but I'm sure your
problem is not brand-dependent. I have a standard "2D" Samsung display and
the picture is very good.

My only criticism is that the sync separator on the analogue input doesn't
seem very well designed as the picture sometimes twitches vertically and
changes momentarily to 4:3 on images that are predominantly close to peak
white. If it was possible to get at the circuitry with a soldering iron as in
days of yore I could easily modify it or design a better one, but it's only a
matter of time before all my input sources have been replaced with things
that have HDMI connections, so I'm not greatly bothered by this.

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Forget about 3D you will always get some artefacts unless the transmission
system is geared up for it. Its yet again more data down the same sized pipe
syndrome. and in any case who wants to look a pratt wearing glasses to watch
the box?

Luckily, my eye condition has meant none of this is needed any more. A
simple set top box is all I need!
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"Gary" wrote in message
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In a previous thread I said I wished I had gone for a Panasonic rather
than a Samsung.

So the Story is this.

Saw a Sony in a shop and it was good. I wanted a 3D TV.

Did some research and decided to go for the Large Samsung Plasma. 50". Got
a reasonable deal from Argos ( buy TV and Glasses together get a 3D bluray
player free).
Did more research and Samsung appear good by all reports.

Ordered it plus 2 extra sets of glasses from Amazon. £48 each.

TV arrives and the picture is good. It does a lot so it takes a while to
set up and test. We go on holiday for 2 weeks and then I get a chance to
play with the TV.
I notice a flicker on the main subject of the picture. Actually Doc Martin
walking against a 'busy' background.

Now i see this all the time.

I look on the net to see if it is a simple set up thing and i see a
reference to flicker in a review. and on a few forum things. People are
making light of it and it appears that it is a 50 Hz thing mostly. and
some say you can reduce it by settings. this is not a little thing.
Samsung say it is a small thing apparently they say it is an effect of
flat screen technology.

My Panasonic HD 32" has not got this effect so it is a Samsung thing and
despite the newness and the really good functions I really Hate this set
( only because of the flicker) but my 'send it back time' is run out
because I was on Holiday.

What to do Now? any suggestions would be helpful.

Gary

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Gary wrote:
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Did more research and Samsung appear good by all reports.

Ordered it plus 2 extra sets of glasses from Amazon. £48 each.

TV arrives and the picture is good. It does a lot so it takes a while to
set up and test. We go on holiday for 2 weeks and then I get a chance to
play with the TV.
I notice a flicker on the main subject of the picture. Actually Doc
Martin walking against a 'busy' background.

Now i see this all the time.

I look on the net to see if it is a simple set up thing and i see a
reference to flicker in a review. and on a few forum things. People are
making light of it and it appears that it is a 50 Hz thing mostly. and
some say you can reduce it by settings. this is not a little thing.
Samsung say it is a small thing apparently they say it is an effect of
flat screen technology.

My Panasonic HD 32" has not got this effect so it is a Samsung thing
and despite the newness and the really good functions I really Hate this
set ( only because of the flicker) but my 'send it back time' is run out
because I was on Holiday.

What to do Now? any suggestions would be helpful.


I'd be surprised if this set was "50Hz". Most premium
TVs are 100Hz or higher. 3D sets can't function below
those speeds.

Each manufacturer has its own specific technology for
reducing blurring on LCD/LED screens. Samsung has
used a technique called "Auto Motion Plus" which
(according to Wikipedia) strobes the backlight (in
addition to the common interpolation method) to reduce
blurring. The new 3D sets may use a different
marketing terminology, if not actual method. I have
an older Samsung LCD with AMP and I do see blurring on
panning crowd scenes. I could probably reduce this by
altering the AMP settings in the advanced picture
menu. It hasn't bothered me that much, possibly
because I've got used to it.

Any TV you buy will not be 100% perfect. There will
always be things that niggle if you let them. There
are features of our family's Panasonics that I hate,
though it doesn't make them bad TVs. Look at the, er,
bigger picture and appreciate the good features.

My suggestions would be to:
(a) fiddle with the settings to minimise the unwanted
effects
(b) suppress your purchase anxiety and give yourself
time to get used to the way it works

You should be able to get settings advice from other
owners on a specialist forum, or else from Samsung CS.

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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Forget about 3D you will always get some artefacts unless the transmission
system is geared up for it. Its yet again more data down the same sized
pipe syndrome. and in any case who wants to look a pratt wearing glasses
to watch the box?

Luckily, my eye condition has meant none of this is needed any more. A
simple set top box is all I need!
Brian

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"Gary" wrote in message
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In a previous thread I said I wished I had gone for a Panasonic rather
than a Samsung.

So the Story is this.

Saw a Sony in a shop and it was good. I wanted a 3D TV.

Did some research and decided to go for the Large Samsung Plasma. 50".
Got a reasonable deal from Argos ( buy TV and Glasses together get a 3D
bluray player free).
Did more research and Samsung appear good by all reports.

Ordered it plus 2 extra sets of glasses from Amazon. £48 each.

TV arrives and the picture is good. It does a lot so it takes a while to
set up and test. We go on holiday for 2 weeks and then I get a chance to
play with the TV.
I notice a flicker on the main subject of the picture. Actually Doc
Martin walking against a 'busy' background.

Now i see this all the time.

I look on the net to see if it is a simple set up thing and i see a
reference to flicker in a review. and on a few forum things. People are
making light of it and it appears that it is a 50 Hz thing mostly. and
some say you can reduce it by settings. this is not a little thing.
Samsung say it is a small thing apparently they say it is an effect of
flat screen technology.

My Panasonic HD 32" has not got this effect so it is a Samsung thing
and despite the newness and the really good functions I really Hate this
set ( only because of the flicker) but my 'send it back time' is run out
because I was on Holiday.

What to do Now? any suggestions would be helpful.

Gary

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the set i have is
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...SUNG+3D.htmThe set is a PS50c6900 plasma and it produces the most gorgeous pictures.The set has internetit has media streaming via networkIt has Freeview HDIt records to HDD via usbIt is a realy nice spec for a TV 600 Hz etcoh it also will do 3D if you get the glasses.I have now checked out the problem I don't know if it is a Plasma Only thingbut it is a 50 Hz thing.region 1 DVD playback and picture very good . Only slight artefacts. (played back at up scaled 1080) I was looking so i saw them most people wouldnot have. I most probably would not have.)Played a Bluray 24hz and picture was good.Played UK DVD and picture flickering.Watched Sky and same. This is in either 2D or simulated 3D.The effect of the flicker is hard to explain, it is only on fast mowingobjects or when the object is stationary and the background is moving fast.It is similar to a strobe effect. so a man will move his hand to his faceand his hand will 'flicker' as it moves it fastest. I suspect it is arefresh or display time problem. it is similar to the really high shutterspeed video that has jerky movement. but much worse.I am now stuck with this problem. Do i get Argos to take it back. Do i getSamsung to fix it.( how they know it happens but ignore it). I got this seton 6 august. went on holl 15 aug. Had a bereavement 31 august. Really onlygot to look at TV this last 5 days as I had time off work.The flicker is bad once you have seen it.Gary

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"Jim" wrote in message
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Gary wrote:
snip


Now i see this all the time.

Big Snip


I'd be surprised if this set was "50Hz". Most premium TVs are 100Hz or
higher. 3D sets can't function below those speeds.
I meant it is a 50 HZ input signal . Not the set it is a 600 Hz set.

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Gary wrote:

Found the main cause of this problem.

The smooth motion setting on pal give jagged motion . Turn it off
and all is OK

On another point, are there many TVs now that come now with an integrated
Freeview HD tuner, and is their number increasing as Freeview HD gets
broadcast more widely?

To avoid having to buy yet another extra box, would it be better to hold off
buying a TV that doesn't currently have it until such time as they become
commonplace? Or is that not going to happen any time soon?

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Norman Wells wrote:
Gary wrote:

Found the main cause of this problem.

The smooth motion setting on pal give jagged motion . Turn it off
and all is OK

On another point, are there many TVs now that come now with an
integrated Freeview HD tuner, and is their number increasing as Freeview
HD gets broadcast more widely?

To avoid having to buy yet another extra box, would it be better to hold
off buying a TV that doesn't currently have it until such time as they
become commonplace? Or is that not going to happen any time soon?


Most recent (larger) models from the main suppliers
have HD tuners.

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On 29 Sep, 16:46, Jim wrote:
Norman Wells wrote:
Gary wrote:

Found the main cause of this problem.

The *smooth motion setting on pal give jagged motion . Turn it off
and all is OK

On another point, are there many TVs now that come now with an
integrated Freeview HD tuner, and is their number increasing as Freeview
HD gets broadcast more widely?

To avoid having to buy yet another extra box, would it be better to hold
off buying a TV that doesn't currently have it until such time as they
become commonplace? *Or is that not going to happen any time soon?

Most recent (larger) models from the main suppliers
have HD tuners.

To put it another way, all the major suppliers have models which have
HD tuners (Freeview or Freesat or both)