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Fear of losing 2nd feed
I now have 2 feeds into my flat, when I spoke to the guys who ran the cable
in I commented on the fact that I did not originally expect to get 2 feeds and that it "must take up more space on the switch" to which he replied yes and that if everyone in my block decides to connect to the communal dish I might lose one of my feeds! If everyone does decide to get connected which by the way ended up costing me £ 220 what other options are there if the switch runs out of space can/would they add another switch to increase capacity or would they really disconnect one of my feeds. I could have 2 feeds for five years then one day lose one of them it does not seem fair. |
Fear of losing 2nd feed
On Sep 16, 12:44*pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote: I now have 2 feeds into my flat, when I spoke to the guys who ran the cable in I commented on the fact that I did not originally expect to get 2 feeds and that it "must take up more space on the switch" to which he replied yes and that if everyone in my block decides to connect to the communal dish I might lose one of my feeds! If everyone does decide to get connected which by the way ended up costing me £ 220 what other options are there if the switch runs out of space can/would they add another switch to increase capacity or would they really disconnect one of my feeds. I could have 2 feeds for five years then one day lose one of them it does not seem fair. I've slightly lost track of this. Did you pay for the second feed as an identifiable item on an invoice, or was it a pound notes job to these 'engineers'? Bill |
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... On Sep 16, 12:44 pm, "Nick Le Lievre" wrote: I now have 2 feeds into my flat, when I spoke to the guys who ran the cable in I commented on the fact that I did not originally expect to get 2 feeds and that it "must take up more space on the switch" to which he replied yes and that if everyone in my block decides to connect to the communal dish I might lose one of my feeds! If everyone does decide to get connected which by the way ended up costing me £ 220 what other options are there if the switch runs out of space can/would they add another switch to increase capacity or would they really disconnect one of my feeds. I could have 2 feeds for five years then one day lose one of them it does not seem fair. I've slightly lost track of this. Did you pay for the second feed as an identifiable item on an invoice, or was it a pound notes job to these 'engineers' When I first phoned up to arrange the installation the managing director asked me if I required 2 feeds which I said I did, they came round and installed WF65 shotgun cable which is two thin diameter cables glued together which looks like a shotgun, so I have 2 feeds. On the invoice there is mention of the labour charge 2.5 hours at £ 60 per hour and twin twiax siamese cable x 30 = £ 40 - Connectors x 4 = £ 6 and 1x 3M trunking = £ 7.50. So on the invoice is states that I have twin cable which is used for two feeds, the guys who ran the cable did say we are allocated a space on the switch. |
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On Sep 16, 4:32*pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote: " wrote in message ... On Sep 16, 12:44 pm, "Nick Le Lievre" wrote: I now have 2 feeds into my flat, when I spoke to the guys who ran the cable in I commented on the fact that I did not originally expect to get 2 feeds and that it "must take up more space on the switch" to which he replied yes and that if everyone in my block decides to connect to the communal dish I might lose one of my feeds! If everyone does decide to get connected which by the way ended up costing me £ 220 what other options are there if the switch runs out of space can/would they add another switch to increase capacity or would they really disconnect one of my feeds. I could have 2 feeds for five years then one day lose one of them it does not seem fair. I've slightly lost track of this. Did you pay for the second feed as an identifiable item on an invoice, or was it a pound notes job to these 'engineers' When I first phoned up to arrange the installation the managing director asked me if I required 2 feeds which I said I did, they came round and installed WF65 shotgun cable which is two thin diameter cables glued together which looks like a shotgun, so I have 2 feeds. On the invoice there is mention of the labour charge 2.5 hours at £ 60 per hour and twin twiax siamese cable x 30 = £ 40 - Connectors x 4 = £ 6 and 1x 3M trunking = £ 7.50. So on the invoice is states that I have twin cable which is used for two feeds, the guys who ran the cable did say we are allocated a space on the switch.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, the mention of twin cable and four f plugs proves that you had two feeds, and there's a clear implication I would have thought that the feeds will have signal on them, so I suggest you hang on to that invoice. I'm interested to see that you paid £1.33 per metre for the cable and £1.50 for each 'f' plug. Presumably both products were made from solid gold rather than the usual copper. Bill |
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Nick Le Lievre wrote:
: by the way ended up costing me £ 220 what other options are there if the : switch runs out of space can/would they add another switch to increase : capacity or would they really disconnect one of my feeds. If they have charged you £220 for a second feed I think they will have entered into a contract to supply you this for ever! Also, of course, if more people want second feeds, and EACH pays them this amount they will have stacks of money for a new, high capacity, switch! |
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"Brian Mc" wrote in message
... Nick Le Lievre wrote: : by the way ended up costing me £ 220 what other options are there if the : switch runs out of space can/would they add another switch to increase : capacity or would they really disconnect one of my feeds. If they have charged you £220 for a second feed I think they will have entered into a contract to supply you this for ever! They charged me £ 220 in total which provided two feeds from the time of installation, I never had one feed to begin with. Also, of course, if more people want second feeds, and EACH pays them this amount they will have stacks of money for a new, high capacity, switch! Yeah hopefully I will never be downgraded to one feed because either the switch never reaches full capacity or they upgrade it to a higher capacity one should they run out of feeds. |
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On Sep 16, 5:33*pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote: "Brian Mc" wrote in message ... Nick Le Lievre wrote: : by the way ended up costing me £ 220 what other options are there if the : switch runs out of space can/would they add another switch to increase : capacity or would they really disconnect one of my feeds. If they have charged you £220 for a second feed I think they will have entered into a contract to supply you this for ever! They charged me £ 220 in total which provided two feeds from the time of installation, I never had one feed to begin with. Also, of course, if more people want second feeds, and EACH pays them this amount they will have stacks of money for a new, high capacity, switch! Yeah hopefully I will never be downgraded to one feed because either the switch never reaches full capacity or they upgrade it to a higher capacity one should they run out of feeds. Fact is that price is a total rip off. It would have been that even if they'd done the job right. As it is ... well, it takes my breath away. Bill |
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... Yeah hopefully I will never be downgraded to one feed because either the switch never reaches full capacity or they upgrade it to a higher capacity one should they run out of feeds. Fact is that price is a total rip off. It would have been that even if they'd done the job right. As it is ... well, it takes my breath away. Well the shotgun cable they used cannot be terminated to certain wallplates as they are often made for standard sized cables this and the fact that you get some loss when terminating to a wallplate may have been the reasons why they just put F connectors on the end of the cables and had done with it. I have kinda got over the shock of not having a wallplate seeing as wallplates are not always used for good reason. |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:23:37 +0100, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote: " wrote in message ... Yeah hopefully I will never be downgraded to one feed because either the switch never reaches full capacity or they upgrade it to a higher capacity one should they run out of feeds. Fact is that price is a total rip off. It would have been that even if they'd done the job right. As it is ... well, it takes my breath away. Well the shotgun cable they used cannot be terminated to certain wallplates as they are often made for standard sized cables this and the fact that you get some loss when terminating to a wallplate may have been the reasons why they just put F connectors on the end of the cables and had done with it. I have kinda got over the shock of not having a wallplate seeing as wallplates are not always used for good reason. All the wallplates I've seen have an F-connector dongle fitted - enabling an F-connector terminated cable to connect to one side of the dongle and an F-connector termintaed fly lead to connect to the other side of the dongle and also to the TV/STB/Satellite box. Here's one, out of stock unfortunately, but you get the idea http://www.thatcable.com/acatalog/in...ace-plate.html -- Cheers Peter |
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"Petert" wrote in message
... All the wallplates I've seen have an F-connector dongle fitted - enabling an F-connector terminated cable to connect to one side of the dongle and an F-connector termintaed fly lead to connect to the other side of the dongle and also to the TV/STB/Satellite box. Here's one, out of stock unfortunately, but you get the idea http://www.thatcable.com/acatalog/in...ace-plate.html Did not know you could get them like, there's not much point me getting one of those as I would need a surface mounted one and secondly there is likely to be some loss involved, I was thinking of a wallplate with a TV/FM and Sat ports so I would have the option of analogue now and digital later via the TV port. Anyways I have digital already now from Satellite and I get BBCHD, CH4HD, FIVEHD and have ITVHD in as an other channel (I`m in Channel Isles). My TV does not have a freeview HD tuner so I will always get my HD signal via Satellite + I have hundreds of channels - who needs Freeview? |
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"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
... "Petert" wrote in message ... All the wallplates I've seen have an F-connector dongle fitted - enabling an F-connector terminated cable to connect to one side of the dongle and an F-connector termintaed fly lead to connect to the other side of the dongle and also to the TV/STB/Satellite box. Here's one, out of stock unfortunately, but you get the idea http://www.thatcable.com/acatalog/in...ace-plate.html Oh I get it, if I really wanted a wallplate (despite the loss involved) to make the job look more professional I could get one of these wallplates and attach it to a deep wall box the only trouble is the bend in the cable I would have to make which can cause problems, there are ways around this however but I think I will just stick to the two f connectors I have already. |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:23:37 +0100, Nick Le Lievre
wrote: Well the shotgun cable they used cannot be terminated to certain wallplates as they are often made for standard sized cables Were you told this or are you just making it up? Don't use 'certain' wallplates, use the one that does the job. get some loss when terminating to a wallplate So ****in' what? If you've got loads to start with, who cares if you lose a bit? It's digital. It either works or it doesn't. If it's right on the edge, the cowboys didn't design it properly. may have been the reasons why they just put F connectors on the end of the cables and had done with it. No, they are just lazy cheapskate *******s. I have kinda got over the shock of not having a wallplate seeing as wallplates are not always used for good reason. Bull****. They certainly saw you coming, and you've let 'em get away with it. |
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On Sep 16, 6:23*pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote: " wrote in message Well the shotgun cable they used cannot be terminated to certain wallplates as they are often made for standard sized cables Any of the main makes (Triax, Vision, et al) will accept RF60 and will give a firm connection. In some cases it might be necessary to put sleeving or a turn of PVC tape over the outer sheath so the braid clamp tightens down properly, but that isn't a problem. this and the fact that you get some loss when terminating to a wallplate may have been the reasons why they just put F connectors on the end of the cables and had done with it. I have kinda got over the shock of not having a wallplate seeing as wallplates are not always used for good reason. The throughloss on a wallplate is absolutely irrelevant because the signal level from the switch should be many dBs above the level needed at the receiver. Throughloss is never more than 2dB anyway. What's more, impedance mismatch causing standing waves doesn't seem to be a problem either with wallplates. |
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On Sep 16, 6:41*pm, Petert wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:23:37 +0100, "Nick Le Lievre" wrote: " wrote in message .... Yeah hopefully I will never be downgraded to one feed because either the switch never reaches full capacity or they upgrade it to a higher capacity one should they run out of feeds. Fact is that price is a total rip off. It would have been that even if they'd done the job right. As it is ... well, it takes my breath away. Well the shotgun cable they used cannot be terminated to certain wallplates as they are often made for standard sized cables this and the fact that you get some loss when terminating to a wallplate may have been the reasons why they just put F connectors on the end of the cables and had done with it.. I have kinda got over the shock of not having a wallplate seeing as wallplates are not always used for good reason. All the wallplates I've seen have an F-connector dongle fitted - enabling an F-connector terminated cable to connect to one side of the dongle and an F-connector termintaed fly lead to connect to the other side of the dongle and also to the TV/STB/Satellite box. Here's one, out of stock unfortunately, but you get the idea http://www.thatcable.com/acatalog/in...tor-face-plate.... I'm assuming he'd want a plate that had a triplexer on one input so he can use the UHF and VHF. Bill |
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"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
... On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:23:37 +0100, Nick Le Lievre wrote: Well the shotgun cable they used cannot be terminated to certain wallplates as they are often made for standard sized cables Were you told this or are you just making it up? Don't use 'certain' wallplates, use the one that does the job. I read it on some site. Bull****. They certainly saw you coming, and you've let 'em get away with it. Do you have to use foul language to make your point? I find it slightly aggressive. |
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"pete" wrote in message
... I'm interested to see that you paid £1.33 per metre for the cable and £1.50 for each 'f' plug. Presumably both products were made from solid gold rather than the usual copper. Bill Well they obviously didn't come from Maplin's - they charge much more for F plugs: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...rderCode=FU04E and these guys charge 99p a metre for WF65 shotgun cable http://www.aerialshack.com/webro-wf6...a4datsiddqoal1 |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:58:38 GMT, pete
wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sep 16, 4:32*pm, "Nick Le Lievre" wrote: " wrote in message ... On Sep 16, 12:44 pm, "Nick Le Lievre" wrote: I now have 2 feeds into my flat, when I spoke to the guys who ran the cable in I commented on the fact that I did not originally expect to get 2 feeds and that it "must take up more space on the switch" to which he replied yes and that if everyone in my block decides to connect to the communal dish I might lose one of my feeds! If everyone does decide to get connected which by the way ended up costing me £ 220 what other options are there if the switch runs out of space can/would they add another switch to increase capacity or would they really disconnect one of my feeds. I could have 2 feeds for five years then one day lose one of them it does not seem fair. I've slightly lost track of this. Did you pay for the second feed as an identifiable item on an invoice, or was it a pound notes job to these 'engineers' When I first phoned up to arrange the installation the managing director asked me if I required 2 feeds which I said I did, they came round and installed WF65 shotgun cable which is two thin diameter cables glued together which looks like a shotgun, so I have 2 feeds. On the invoice there is mention of the labour charge 2.5 hours at £ 60 per hour and twin twiax siamese cable x 30 = £ 40 - Connectors x 4 = £ 6 and 1x 3M trunking = £ 7.50. So on the invoice is states that I have twin cable which is used for two feeds, the guys who ran the cable did say we are allocated a space on the switch.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, the mention of twin cable and four f plugs proves that you had two feeds, and there's a clear implication I would have thought that the feeds will have signal on them, so I suggest you hang on to that invoice. I'm interested to see that you paid £1.33 per metre for the cable and £1.50 for each 'f' plug. Presumably both products were made from solid gold rather than the usual copper. Bill Well they obviously didn't come from Maplin's - they charge much more for F plugs: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...rderCode=FU04E Maplin's offer a bulk price of £1.49 (incl.VAT) each for 100 or more. (Click on the "bulk discounts" link.) -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:55:47 +0100, Nick Le Lievre
wrote: Do you have to use foul language to make your point? I find it slightly aggressive. I'm exasperated by your willingness to continually defend the indefensible and peddle bull**** as facts. Deal with it (or do the other thing). I don't care. |
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On Sep 16, 9:06*pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote: "pete" wrote in message ... I'm interested to see that you paid £1.33 per metre for the cable and £1.50 for each 'f' plug. Presumably both products were made from solid gold rather than the usual copper. Bill Well they obviously didn't come from Maplin's - they charge much more for F plugs: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...rderCode=FU04E and these guys charge 99p a metre for WF65 shotgun cablehttp://www.aerialshack.com/webro-wf65cu-twin-satellite-cable-metre-wh... I don't use it because it's difficult to fix neatly and it's lossy, but I'd think the proper price will be about £30 per 100m. Bill |
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This is where printed contracts and careful reading of them is most
important. You will often find something like, the supplier reserves the right to discontinue, change or change the conditions of the service. Sometimes it even says, without prior notice, but I think this could be considered unfair these days, but it won't stop them doing it, it just means they will tell you first! Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... I now have 2 feeds into my flat, when I spoke to the guys who ran the cable in I commented on the fact that I did not originally expect to get 2 feeds and that it "must take up more space on the switch" to which he replied yes and that if everyone in my block decides to connect to the communal dish I might lose one of my feeds! If everyone does decide to get connected which by the way ended up costing me £ 220 what other options are there if the switch runs out of space can/would they add another switch to increase capacity or would they really disconnect one of my feeds. I could have 2 feeds for five years then one day lose one of them it does not seem fair. |
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"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
... On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:55:47 +0100, Nick Le Lievre wrote: Do you have to use foul language to make your point? I find it slightly aggressive. I'm exasperated by your willingness to continually defend the indefensible and peddle bull**** as facts. Deal with it (or do the other thing). I don't care. I am peddling what I regard as facts as facts, I am not trying to "bull****" if it is "bull****" then I stand corrected. |
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On Sep 17, 10:27*am, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote: "Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message I am peddling what I regard as facts as facts, I am not trying to "bull****" if it is "bull****" then I stand corrected. Paul can be quite forthright, especially when he is exasperated, and he exasperates quite easy. He is, though, expressing in his inimitable way what most of us feel. You came here seeking profession advice, which you got, and it amounted mostly to the fact that the contractors in question are (from the evidence you supplied) doing inferior work and over-charging. We cannot understand why you a so happy to defend these contractors. We feel that far from defending them you should be on the warpath. It is rather frustrating to advise someone and then have the adice thrown back in your face. Bill |
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All the wallplates I've seen have an F-connector dongle fitted - enabling an F-connector terminated cable to connect to one side of the dongle and an F-connector termintaed fly lead to connect to the other side of the dongle and also to the TV/STB/Satellite box. Here's one, out of stock unfortunately, but you get the idea http://www.thatcable.com/acatalog/in...ace-plate.html I would call those barrels not dongles. That particular one would need a very deep back-box to avoid badly kinking the cables, I think the plates with the barrels set at an angle would be better in that respect. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... "Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:55:47 +0100, Nick Le Lievre wrote: Do you have to use foul language to make your point? I find it slightly aggressive. I'm exasperated by your willingness to continually defend the indefensible and peddle bull**** as facts. Deal with it (or do the other thing). I don't care. I am peddling what I regard as facts as facts, I am not trying to "bull****" if it is "bull****" then I stand corrected. Nick, I have been minded to ask you this for a couple of weeks, but it seems to be appropriate now. Is it a consequence of living on a small island that your expectations are so low? Lack of competing firms. Like it or lump it attitude. That sort of thing. In the UK work like that gets featured on "Rouge Traders" on national TV! .. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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"Graham." wrote in message
... Is it a consequence of living on a small island that your expectations are so low? Lack of competing firms. Like it or lump it attitude. That sort of thing. In this instance I do not think I had a choice about who I arranged to run the new cable into my flat, there was one particular company who erected the satellite dish and installed the switches etc who had the keys to the communal areas and had the maintenance contract for at least the first 12 months. I don`t think I would have been able to ring whoever I wanted to have the cable run in, so in this instance there was no competition therefore it was a case of like it or lump it and I have decided to like it rather then lump it. I would say I am satisfied with the work they carried out, it fell below my initial expectations which were high but is not below my satisfaction level either. |
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On Sep 17, 3:04*pm, "Graham." wrote:
All the wallplates I've seen have an F-connector dongle fitted - enabling an F-connector terminated cable to connect to one side of the dongle and an F-connector termintaed fly lead to connect to the other side of the dongle and also to the TV/STB/Satellite box. Here's one, out of stock unfortunately, but you get the idea http://www.thatcable.com/acatalog/in...tor-face-plate.... I would call those barrels not dongles. That particular one would need a very deep back-box to avoid badly kinking the cables, I think the plates with the barrels set at an angle would be better in that respect. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% Also, see http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/referen...let-plates.pdf Bill |
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On Friday, September 17th, 2010 at 15:48:51h +0100, Graham. asked:
Is it a consequence of living on a small island that your expectations are so low? Perhaps it is a cultural feature of Jersey where there is apparently the well worn saying, "If you don't like it there is always a boat in the morning." |
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J G Miller wrote: On Friday, September 17th, 2010 at 15:48:51h +0100, Graham. asked: Is it a consequence of living on a small island that your expectations are so low? Perhaps it is a cultural feature of Jersey where there is apparently the well worn saying, "If you don't like it there is always a boat in the morning." similar to the remark made to someone who wanted street lighting in our village by the then Parish Council Chairman "If you want street lights, why not live in Surbiton?" -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 |
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