Fear of losing 2nd feed
 

"Petert" wrote in message
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All the wallplates I've seen have an F-connector dongle fitted -
enabling an F-connector terminated cable to connect to one side of the
dongle and an F-connector termintaed fly lead to connect to the other
side of the dongle and also to the TV/STB/Satellite box.

Here's one, out of stock unfortunately, but you get the idea

http://www.thatcable.com/acatalog/in...ace-plate.html

Did not know you could get them like, there's not much point me getting one
of those as I would need a surface mounted one and secondly there is likely
to be some loss involved, I was thinking of a wallplate with a TV/FM and Sat
ports so I would have the option of analogue now and digital later via the
TV port. Anyways I have digital already now from Satellite and I get BBCHD,
CH4HD, FIVEHD and have ITVHD in as an other channel (I`m in Channel Isles).
My TV does not have a freeview HD tuner so I will always get my HD signal
via Satellite + I have hundreds of channels - who needs Freeview?

Fear of losing 2nd feed
 

"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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"Petert" wrote in message
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All the wallplates I've seen have an F-connector dongle fitted -
enabling an F-connector terminated cable to connect to one side of the
dongle and an F-connector termintaed fly lead to connect to the other
side of the dongle and also to the TV/STB/Satellite box.

Here's one, out of stock unfortunately, but you get the idea

http://www.thatcable.com/acatalog/in...ace-plate.html


Oh I get it, if I really wanted a wallplate (despite the loss involved) to
make the job look more professional I could get one of these wallplates and
attach it to a deep wall box the only trouble is the bend in the cable I
would have to make which can cause problems, there are ways around this
however but I think I will just stick to the two f connectors I have
already.

Fear of losing 2nd feed
 

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:23:37 +0100, Nick Le Lievre
wrote:

Well the shotgun cable they used cannot be terminated to certain wallplates
as they are often made for standard sized cables

Were you told this or are you just making it up?
Don't use 'certain' wallplates, use the one that does the job.

get some loss when terminating to a wallplate

So ****in' what? If you've got loads to start with, who cares if you lose
a bit? It's digital. It either works or it doesn't.
If it's right on the edge, the cowboys didn't design it properly.

may have been the reasons why they just put F connectors on the end of
the cables and had done with it.

No, they are just lazy cheapskate *******s.

I have kinda got over the shock of not having a wallplate seeing as
wallplates are not always used for good reason.

Bull****. They certainly saw you coming, and you've let 'em get away
with it.

Fear of losing 2nd feed
 

On Sep 16, 6:23*pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote:
" wrote in message


Well the shotgun cable they used cannot be terminated to certain wallplates
as they are often made for standard sized cables
Any of the main makes (Triax, Vision, et al) will accept RF60 and will
give a firm connection. In some cases it might be necessary to put
sleeving or a turn of PVC tape over the outer sheath so the braid
clamp tightens down properly, but that isn't a problem.

this and the fact that you
get some loss when terminating to a wallplate may have been the reasons why
they just put F connectors on the end of the cables and had done with it. I
have kinda got over the shock of not having a wallplate seeing as wallplates
are not always used for good reason.
The throughloss on a wallplate is absolutely irrelevant because the
signal level from the switch should be many dBs above the level needed
at the receiver. Throughloss is never more than 2dB anyway. What's
more, impedance mismatch causing standing waves doesn't seem to be a
problem either with wallplates.

Fear of losing 2nd feed
 

On Sep 16, 6:41*pm, Petert wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:23:37 +0100, "Nick Le Lievre"





wrote:
" wrote in message
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Yeah hopefully I will never be downgraded to one feed because either the
switch never reaches full capacity or they upgrade it to a higher
capacity
one should they run out of feeds.

Fact is that price is a total rip off. It would have been that even if
they'd done the job right. As it is ... well, it takes my breath away.

Well the shotgun cable they used cannot be terminated to certain wallplates
as they are often made for standard sized cables this and the fact that you
get some loss when terminating to a wallplate may have been the reasons why
they just put F connectors on the end of the cables and had done with it.. I
have kinda got over the shock of not having a wallplate seeing as wallplates
are not always used for good reason.

All the wallplates I've seen have an F-connector dongle fitted -
enabling an F-connector terminated cable to connect to one side of the
dongle and an F-connector termintaed fly lead to connect to the other
side of the dongle and also to the TV/STB/Satellite box.

Here's one, out of stock unfortunately, but you get the idea

http://www.thatcable.com/acatalog/in...tor-face-plate....

I'm assuming he'd want a plate that had a triplexer on one input so he
can use the UHF and VHF.

Bill

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On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Sep 16, 4:32Â*pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote:
" wrote in message

...





On Sep 16, 12:44 pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote:
I now have 2 feeds into my flat, when I spoke to the guys who ran the
cable
in I commented on the fact that I did not originally expect to get 2
feeds
and that it "must take up more space on the switch" to which he replied
yes
and that if everyone in my block decides to connect to the communal dish
I
might lose one of my feeds! If everyone does decide to get connected
which
by the way ended up costing me £ 220 what other options are there if the
switch runs out of space can/would they add another switch to increase
capacity or would they really disconnect one of my feeds. I could have 2
feeds for five years then one day lose one of them it does not seem fair.

I've slightly lost track of this. Did you pay for the second feed as
an identifiable item on an invoice, or was it a pound notes job to
these 'engineers'

When I first phoned up to arrange the installation the managing director
asked me if I required 2 feeds which I said I did, they came round and
installed WF65 shotgun cable which is two thin diameter cables glued
together which looks like a shotgun, so I have 2 feeds. On the invoice there
is mention of the labour charge 2.5 hours at £ 60 per hour and twin twiax
siamese cable x 30 = £ 40 - Connectors x 4 = £ 6 and 1x 3M trunking = £
7.50.

So on the invoice is states that I have twin cable which is used for two
feeds, the guys who ran the cable did say we are allocated a space on the
switch.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, the mention of twin cable and four f plugs proves that you had
two feeds, and there's a clear implication I would have thought that
the feeds will have signal on them, so I suggest you hang on to that
invoice.

I'm interested to see that you paid £1.33 per metre for the cable and
£1.50 for each 'f' plug. Presumably both products were made from solid
gold rather than the usual copper.

Bill

Well they obviously didn't come from Maplin's - they charge much more
for F plugs:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...rderCode=FU04E

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"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:23:37 +0100, Nick Le Lievre
wrote:

Well the shotgun cable they used cannot be terminated to certain
wallplates
as they are often made for standard sized cables

Were you told this or are you just making it up?
Don't use 'certain' wallplates, use the one that does the job.


I read it on some site.

Bull****. They certainly saw you coming, and you've let 'em get away
with it.

Do you have to use foul language to make your point? I find it slightly
aggressive.

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"pete" wrote in message
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I'm interested to see that you paid £1.33 per metre for the cable and
£1.50 for each 'f' plug. Presumably both products were made from solid
gold rather than the usual copper.

Bill

Well they obviously didn't come from Maplin's - they charge much more
for F plugs:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...rderCode=FU04E


and these guys charge 99p a metre for WF65 shotgun cable
http://www.aerialshack.com/webro-wf6...a4datsiddqoal1

Fear of losing 2nd feed
 

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:58:38 GMT, pete
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Sep 16, 4:32*pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote:
" wrote in message

...





On Sep 16, 12:44 pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote:
I now have 2 feeds into my flat, when I spoke to the guys who ran the
cable
in I commented on the fact that I did not originally expect to get 2
feeds
and that it "must take up more space on the switch" to which he replied
yes
and that if everyone in my block decides to connect to the communal dish
I
might lose one of my feeds! If everyone does decide to get connected
which
by the way ended up costing me £ 220 what other options are there if the
switch runs out of space can/would they add another switch to increase
capacity or would they really disconnect one of my feeds. I could have 2
feeds for five years then one day lose one of them it does not seem fair.

I've slightly lost track of this. Did you pay for the second feed as
an identifiable item on an invoice, or was it a pound notes job to
these 'engineers'

When I first phoned up to arrange the installation the managing director
asked me if I required 2 feeds which I said I did, they came round and
installed WF65 shotgun cable which is two thin diameter cables glued
together which looks like a shotgun, so I have 2 feeds. On the invoice there
is mention of the labour charge 2.5 hours at £ 60 per hour and twin twiax
siamese cable x 30 = £ 40 - Connectors x 4 = £ 6 and 1x 3M trunking = £
7.50.

So on the invoice is states that I have twin cable which is used for two
feeds, the guys who ran the cable did say we are allocated a space on the
switch.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, the mention of twin cable and four f plugs proves that you had
two feeds, and there's a clear implication I would have thought that
the feeds will have signal on them, so I suggest you hang on to that
invoice.

I'm interested to see that you paid £1.33 per metre for the cable and
£1.50 for each 'f' plug. Presumably both products were made from solid
gold rather than the usual copper.

Bill

Well they obviously didn't come from Maplin's - they charge much more
for F plugs:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...rderCode=FU04E

Maplin's offer a bulk price of £1.49 (incl.VAT) each for 100 or more.

(Click on the "bulk discounts" link.)

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Fear of losing 2nd feed
 

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:55:47 +0100, Nick Le Lievre
wrote:

Do you have to use foul language to make your point? I find it slightly
aggressive.

I'm exasperated by your willingness to continually defend the indefensible
and peddle bull**** as facts. Deal with it (or do the other thing). I
don't care.