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Had the IRS install today
All went well (had the route the cable along the air vent) although I was
surprised when they just left me with a cable going down the wall in stick on trunking which has two f connectors on the end of it which goes straight into the SKY HD Box, and no new aerial or FM port so basically a TV SAT & FM wallplate has not been installed... I am right on the end of the cabling... oh well only need to use the Satellite connection anyway and that works ok, it took them 2hr 30mins so I should be charged £ 150. |
Had the IRS install today
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
... All went well (had the route the cable along the air vent) although I was surprised when they just left me with a cable going down the wall in stick on trunking which has two f connectors on the end of it which goes straight into the SKY HD Box, and no new aerial or FM port so basically a TV SAT & FM wallplate has not been installed... I am right on the end of the cabling... oh well only need to use the Satellite connection anyway and that works ok, it took them 2hr 30mins so I should be charged £ 150. and I should add that they are bloody hard working guys, I had two of them round Chris and Alex one was 22 the other 26 it took them some quite considerable effort to get the cable into my flat, they had to go from the switch in the communal loft out into the air vent then back into the loft above my flat through the ceiling and down the wall which sounds easier then it was, the lofts were not interlinked which made it harder.. I am very pleased to now have Satellite it was well worth in my opinion. |
Had the IRS install today
Don't you get no Poles in Jersey?:-)
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... "Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... All went well (had the route the cable along the air vent) although I was surprised when they just left me with a cable going down the wall in stick on trunking which has two f connectors on the end of it which goes straight into the SKY HD Box, and no new aerial or FM port so basically a TV SAT & FM wallplate has not been installed... I am right on the end of the cabling... oh well only need to use the Satellite connection anyway and that works ok, it took them 2hr 30mins so I should be charged £ 150. and I should add that they are bloody hard working guys, I had two of them round Chris and Alex one was 22 the other 26 it took them some quite considerable effort to get the cable into my flat, they had to go from the switch in the communal loft out into the air vent then back into the loft above my flat through the ceiling and down the wall which sounds easier then it was, the lofts were not interlinked which made it harder.. I am very pleased to now have Satellite it was well worth in my opinion. |
Had the IRS install today
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... "Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... All went well (had the route the cable along the air vent) although I was surprised when they just left me with a cable going down the wall in stick on trunking which has two f connectors on the end of it which goes straight into the SKY HD Box, and no new aerial or FM port so basically a TV SAT & FM wallplate has not been installed... I am right on the end of the cabling... oh well only need to use the Satellite connection anyway and that works ok, it took them 2hr 30mins so I should be charged £ 150. and I should add that they are bloody hard working guys, I had two of them round Chris and Alex one was 22 the other 26 it took them some quite considerable effort to get the cable into my flat, they had to go from the switch in the communal loft out into the air vent then back into the loft above my flat through the ceiling and down the wall which sounds easier then it was, the lofts were not interlinked which made it harder.. I am very pleased to now have Satellite it was well worth in my opinion. Will the "new" TV and FM signal be available from your existing wallplate? |
Had the IRS install today
"Doctor D" wrote in message
o.uk... and I should add that they are bloody hard working guys, I had two of them round Chris and Alex one was 22 the other 26 it took them some quite considerable effort to get the cable into my flat, they had to go from the switch in the communal loft out into the air vent then back into the loft above my flat through the ceiling and down the wall which sounds easier then it was, the lofts were not interlinked which made it harder.. I am very pleased to now have Satellite it was well worth in my opinion. Will the "new" TV and FM signal be available from your existing wallplate? No there is no FM on the existing wallplate all they did was bring in the satellite cable. I am not really bothered as no doubt I will be able to get digital tv through the existing wallplate. |
Had the IRS install today
"housetrained" wrote in message
... Don't you get no Poles in Jersey?:-) We do :) but these guys were british. One of them seemed to do most of the work and sweat was pouring off him after. Apparently the loft space does not give you much room to work. |
Had the IRS install today
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... "Doctor D" wrote in message o.uk... and I should add that they are bloody hard working guys, I had two of them round Chris and Alex one was 22 the other 26 it took them some quite considerable effort to get the cable into my flat, they had to go from the switch in the communal loft out into the air vent then back into the loft above my flat through the ceiling and down the wall which sounds easier then it was, the lofts were not interlinked which made it harder.. I am very pleased to now have Satellite it was well worth in my opinion. Will the "new" TV and FM signal be available from your existing wallplate? No there is no FM on the existing wallplate all they did was bring in the satellite cable. I am not really bothered as no doubt I will be able to get digital tv through the existing wallplate. But are they connecting the existing wallplates to the new head end? This may give you UHF/FM/DAB if you use a diplexer/triplexer. |
Had the IRS install today
"Doctor D" wrote in message
o.uk... But are they connecting the existing wallplates to the new head end? This may give you UHF/FM/DAB if you use a diplexer/triplexer. I don`t think so, I think they just run the new cable in. |
Had the IRS install today
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
... "Doctor D" wrote in message o.uk... But are they connecting the existing wallplates to the new head end? This may give you UHF/FM/DAB if you use a diplexer/triplexer. I don`t think so, I think they just run the new cable in. I wonder though if the new cable would also be carrying the aerial and fm signals and if I split it to a box I would have all the connections available... the cable they have put in looks rather thin however. |
Had the IRS install today
On Sep 8, 1:49*pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote: All went well (had the route the cable along the air vent) although I was surprised when they just left me with a cable going down the wall in stick on trunking which has two f connectors on the end of it which goes straight into the SKY HD Box, and no new aerial or FM port so basically a TV SAT & FM wallplate has not been installed... I am right on the end of the cabling.... oh well only need to use the Satellite connection anyway and that works ok, it took them 2hr 30mins so I should be charged £ 150. No wallplate? Bloody hell! Never heard of that before. Bill |
Had the IRS install today
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Had the IRS install today
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Had the IRS install today
On Sep 9, 8:09*am, Nick Le Lievre
wrote: wrote: On Sep 8, 1:49 pm, "Nick Le Lievre" wrote: it took them 2hr 30mins so I should be charged £ 150. No wallplate? Bloody hell! Never heard of that before. No wallplate, I only have the two f connectors on the end of the cable. Not really bothered as I only need the satellite connection anyway but it would of been nice to have a new aerial and FM port. No wallplate! I've never, ever, heard of such a thing. Bill |
Had the IRS install today
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... On Sep 9, 8:09 am, Nick Le Lievre No wallplate! I've never, ever, heard of such a thing. Maybe not on IRS installs but surely some of the house installations don`t bother to install a wallplate. |
Had the IRS install today
"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
... On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:08:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: All went well (had the route the cable along the air vent) although I was surprised when they just left me with a cable going down the wall in stick on trunking which has two f connectors on the end of it which goes straight into the SKY HD Box, and no new aerial or FM port so basically a TV SAT & FM wallplate has not been installed... No wallplate? Bloody hell! Never heard of that before. How do you get two F connectors on the end of a cable? I can hear the sound of the Indians a-coming... I suppose if I got an F connector to coax adapter I should be able to receive a TV signal from one of the feeds Not that I would sacrifice a sat feed to do this but it could prove that the cable is carrying the TV signal as well. |
Had the IRS install today
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... "Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:08:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: All went well (had the route the cable along the air vent) although I was surprised when they just left me with a cable going down the wall in stick on trunking which has two f connectors on the end of it which goes straight into the SKY HD Box, and no new aerial or FM port so basically a TV SAT & FM wallplate has not been installed... No wallplate? Bloody hell! Never heard of that before. How do you get two F connectors on the end of a cable? I can hear the sound of the Indians a-coming... I suppose if I got an F connector to coax adapter I should be able to receive a TV signal from one of the feeds Not that I would sacrifice a sat feed to do this but it could prove that the cable is carrying the TV signal as well. That's why it's normal to use a wallplate such as this http://www.screwfix.com/prods/31909/...uplexed-Return I don't have a wall plate fitted at home in the lounge, but that's because I have 4 separate cables rather than one (or two) combined ones. In an communal installation where it is more common to have a more frequent changeover of dwelling occupants, fitting a labelled wallplate and fitting fly-leads is the proper way to do the job. |
Had the IRS install today
"Doctor D" wrote in message
o.uk... That's why it's normal to use a wallplate such as this http://www.screwfix.com/prods/31909/...uplexed-Return I don't have a wall plate fitted at home in the lounge, but that's because I have 4 separate cables rather than one (or two) combined ones. In an communal installation where it is more common to have a more frequent changeover of dwelling occupants, fitting a labelled wallplate and fitting fly-leads is the proper way to do the job. Yeah I would of thought a wallplate would have been installed as standard but I guess it was a bit of a rush job and they did as much as they could get away with thinking that I would not need the aerial as I would be using satellite and have an existing coax socket anyway. |
Had the IRS install today
The Poles ALWAYS include a wall plate
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ... On Sep 9, 8:09 am, Nick Le Lievre No wallplate! I've never, ever, heard of such a thing. Maybe not on IRS installs but surely some of the house installations don`t bother to install a wallplate. |
Had the IRS install today
On Sep 9, 4:36*pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote: " wrote in message ... On Sep 9, 8:09 am, Nick Le Lievre No wallplate! I've never, ever, heard of such a thing. Maybe not on IRS installs but surely some of the house installations don`t bother to install a wallplate. True enough but proper TV systems are done to a higher standard. You have to remember that when the resident moves out the room's going to look just charming for the next person with some 'orrible wires hanging down the wall. Bill |
Had the IRS install today
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Had the IRS install today
On Sep 9, 10:02*pm, Nick Le Lievre
wrote: wrote: On Sep 9, 4:36 pm, "Nick Le Lievre" wrote: " wrote in message .... On Sep 9, 8:09 am, Nick Le Lievre No wallplate! I've never, ever, heard of such a thing. Maybe not on IRS installs but surely some of the house installations don`t bother to install a wallplate. True enough but proper TV systems are done to a higher standard. You have to remember that when the resident moves out the room's going to look just charming for the next person with some 'orrible wires hanging down the wall. Well I guess they were thinking this cable has to go there and that was the main objective, making it look nice was not on the agenda after they had spent two and a half hours getting the cable to the right spot. If all they had to do was install a wallplate I am sure I would have had the nicest looking wallplate ever.- Hide quoted text - Spending two and a half hours on a job is nothing. It is a small part of a normal day. If they weren't doing that they'd be doing something else. I've seen some incredible short-cut-taking in my time on communal TV systems, but I've never seen a system installed without wallplates. I'm actually rather staggered by this, and wonder if there's more to this than you are telling us, because I've never heard of anyone doing this. Bill |
Had the IRS install today
" wrote in message
... I've seen some incredible short-cut-taking in my time on communal TV systems, but I've never seen a system installed without wallplates. I'm actually rather staggered by this, and wonder if there's more to this than you are telling us, because I've never heard of anyone doing this. Here http://user.itl.net/~nlel/cable.JPG is a photo of the trunking showing the 2 feed cable sticking out from the bottom of it... at the end of the cable there are two f connectors going into my Sky + HD Box there is no wallplate installed or wallplate box |
Had the IRS install today
On Sep 10, 12:39*pm, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote: " wrote in message ... I've seen some incredible short-cut-taking in my time on communal TV systems, but I've never seen a system installed without wallplates. I'm actually rather staggered by this, and wonder if there's more to this than you are telling us, because I've never heard of anyone doing this. Herehttp://user.itl.net/~nlel/cable.JPGis a photo of the trunking showing the 2 feed cable sticking out from the bottom of it... at the end of the cable there are two f connectors going into my Sky + HD Box there is no wallplate installed or wallplate box Maybe the housing people agreed to it. It's unique! Bill |
Had the IRS install today
" wrote in message
... Maybe the housing people agreed to it. It's unique! Maybe they have a vested interest in keeping people connected the the SMATV system therefore only allow the installer to put in satellite feeds. Either that or they were just cutting corners and/or in a hurry to get away. |
Had the IRS install today
Nick Le Lievre wrote:
" wrote in message ... I've seen some incredible short-cut-taking in my time on communal TV systems, but I've never seen a system installed without wallplates. I'm actually rather staggered by this, and wonder if there's more to this than you are telling us, because I've never heard of anyone doing this. Here http://user.itl.net/~nlel/cable.JPG is a photo of the trunking showing the 2 feed cable sticking out from the bottom of it... at the end of the cable there are two f connectors going into my Sky + HD Box there is no wallplate installed or wallplate box What a mess! -- Adrian |
Had the IRS install today
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... All went well (had the route the cable along the air vent) although I was surprised when they just left me with a cable going down the wall in stick on trunking which has two f connectors on the end of it which goes straight into the SKY HD Box, and no new aerial or FM port so basically a TV SAT & FM wallplate has not been installed... I am right on the end of the cabling... oh well only need to use the Satellite connection anyway and that works ok, it took them 2hr 30mins so I should be charged £ 150. Hi, Congratulations! I hope you enjoy it very much and get a lot of fun, pleasure and viewing / listening from it. Best wishes, News Reader --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
Had the IRS install today
"Mike Henry" wrote in message
... In , "Nick Le Lievre" wrote: Either way, it's a disgrace IMHO. Yeah I guess it is... oh well at least I have the two satellite feeds I really wanted and have a much improved picture and the ability to use my Sky + HD box and viewing card it was worth £ 150 even if they haven`t done a professional finish. |
Had the IRS install today
Nick Le Lievre wrote:
Here http://user.itl.net/~nlel/cable.JPG is a photo of the trunking showing the 2 feed cable sticking out from the bottom of it... Ummm. When are they returning to finish off, and hoover up the dust ? |
Had the IRS install today
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
... Nick Le Lievre wrote: Here http://user.itl.net/~nlel/cable.JPG is a photo of the trunking showing the 2 feed cable sticking out from the bottom of it... Ummm. When are they returning to finish off, and hoover up the dust ? They`re not as far as I know, well I know they`re not, not unless I fork out another £ 60 per hour. |
Had the IRS install today
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Nick Le Lievre wrote: Here http://user.itl.net/~nlel/cable.JPG is a photo of the trunking showing the 2 feed cable sticking out from the bottom of it... Ummm. When are they returning to finish off, and hoover up the dust ? Quite. A kickable offence when I was training. That's shotgun cable. How long is the run? Why didn't they come down the corner of the room? |
Had the IRS install today
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember " saying something like: True enough but proper TV systems are done to a higher standard. You have to remember that when the resident moves out the room's going to look just charming for the next person with some 'orrible wires hanging down the wall. And the stick-on trunking dangling there as it's lost its stickiness. |
Had the IRS install today
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Nick Le Lievre" saying something like: Here http://user.itl.net/~nlel/cable.JPG is a photo of the trunking showing the 2 feed cable sticking out from the bottom of it... at the end of the cable there are two f connectors going into my Sky + HD Box there is no wallplate installed or wallplate box They couldn't even be arsed to hoover up after they'd done it. |
Had the IRS install today
"Doctor D" wrote in message
... "Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Nick Le Lievre wrote: Here http://user.itl.net/~nlel/cable.JPG is a photo of the trunking showing the 2 feed cable sticking out from the bottom of it... Ummm. When are they returning to finish off, and hoover up the dust ? Quite. A kickable offence when I was training. That's shotgun cable. How long is the run? Why didn't they come down the corner of the room? I do not know how long the run is but my picture is fine. They tried to run it down the corner but ran into some timber when drilling through the ceiling. They had to fill another hole they`d created in the ceiling with some polyfilla. |
Had the IRS install today
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... "Doctor D" wrote in message ... "Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Nick Le Lievre wrote: Here http://user.itl.net/~nlel/cable.JPG is a photo of the trunking showing the 2 feed cable sticking out from the bottom of it... Ummm. When are they returning to finish off, and hoover up the dust ? Quite. A kickable offence when I was training. That's shotgun cable. How long is the run? Why didn't they come down the corner of the room? I do not know how long the run is but my picture is fine. They tried to run it down the corner but ran into some timber when drilling through the ceiling. They had to fill another hole they`d created in the ceiling with some polyfilla. That will explain the sawdust on the floor then! I understood that lengths of over 20m of cheap shotgun cable were lossy. This won't show up as a grainy picture but you may suffer more break up in the signal when it's raining heavily and the incoming signal to the dish is attenuated. What readings are you getting for signal strength and quality in the settings menu? |
Had the IRS install today
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 12:30:44 +0100, Doctor D wrote:
I understood that lengths of over 20m of cheap shotgun cable were lossy. This won't show up as a grainy picture but you may suffer more break up in the signal when it's raining heavily and the incoming signal to the dish is attenuated. You're talking about two different effects now. Cable loss is overcome by having enough gain in the LNB to account for it. Rain fade margin is defined by the noise figure of the LNB and the size of the dish. |
Had the IRS install today
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message ... "Doctor D" wrote in message ... What readings are you getting for signal strength and quality in the settings menu? I am getting about 80% signal strength 100% signal quality on input 1 and 90% signal strength 100% quality on input2 so all in all pretty decent Looks like you should have no problems with that. |
Had the IRS install today
"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 12:30:44 +0100, Doctor D wrote: I understood that lengths of over 20m of cheap shotgun cable were lossy. This won't show up as a grainy picture but you may suffer more break up in the signal when it's raining heavily and the incoming signal to the dish is attenuated. You're talking about two different effects now. Cable loss is overcome by having enough gain in the LNB to account for it. Rain fade margin is defined by the noise figure of the LNB and the size of the dish. But, won't a long/poor cable run exacerbate the effect of rain fade? Surely a shorter/better cable run will help mask the effects of a reduction in signal levels produced at the LNB? |
Had the IRS install today
"Doctor D" wrote in message
o.uk... But, won't a long/poor cable run exacerbate the effect of rain fade? Surely a shorter/better cable run will help mask the effects of a reduction in signal levels produced at the LNB? I think the "shotgun" cable run is not that long, maybe up into the loft, I think there is a tap in the loft although I do not know what a tap is can someone explain |
Had the IRS install today
Nick Le Lievre wrote:
I think the "shotgun" cable run is not that long, maybe up into the loft, I think there is a tap in the loft although I do not know what a tap is can someone explain Your connection will be back to a multiswitch (taps aren't used with satellite systems, they don't allow your STB to select which band/polarisation it wants to see on each input). You seem determined to give your installers the benefit of the doubt, 5 man hours for such an untidy install ... |
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