My first experience of freeview ;-)
 

Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.
- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.
- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.
- The only new channel I watched is "Dave" and it has too many
adverts, DOGs and other irritations for me to watch if it wasn't
pouring with rain.
- Digital teletext seems as slow as the analogue variety.

And this is progress.....
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"Mark" wrote in message
...
Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.
- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.
- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.
- The only new channel I watched is "Dave" and it has too many
adverts, DOGs and other irritations for me to watch if it wasn't
pouring with rain.
- Digital teletext seems as slow as the analogue variety.

And this is progress.....

Sounds like you need a better aerial/cable/STB.
All I watch on digital only channels are News24, and sometimes sport on the
red button. My daughter likes CBeebies. Maybe Dave if there is absolutely
nothing else.

I had a similar experience with a DAB radio on holiday; analogue perfect,
DAB unlistenable.

Z

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On 17 Aug, 10:02, "Zimmy" wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message

...

Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. *Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over.

"satisfactory" means different things to different people!

*The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.
- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.
- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.
- The only new channel I watched is "Dave" and it has too many
adverts, DOGs and other irritations for me to watch if it wasn't
pouring with rain.
- Digital teletext seems as slow as the analogue variety.

And this is progress.....

Sounds like you need a better aerial/cable/STB.
All I watch on digital only channels are News24, and sometimes sport on the
red button. My daughter likes CBeebies. Maybe Dave if there is absolutely
nothing else.

I had a similar experience with a DAB radio on holiday; analogue perfect,
DAB unlistenable.

....but DAB doesn't claim to match FM coverage - that's currently an
"aspiration", and I'm not convinced it will _ever_ happen universally.
Whereas DTT is supposed to match or exceed analogue coverage.

A few areas do require new aerials for some of the muxes. Not many
areas (most people sold a new aerial ready to watch digital after
switch over have been conned), but a few.

The "speed" of digital teletext depends almost entirely on the STB.
Decent STBs are near-instant - i.e. fraction of a second delay from
button press to response.

Loss of sync between sound and vision is also a symptom of a broken
box. Both audio and video carry time stamps. The box is supposed to
use these to output them in sync. Some boxes don't bother at all,
other boxes sync them when you change channel, but then let them free-
run independently based on the boxes internal clock.

So it sounds like Mark used a poor STB, and just _maybe_ needs a new
aerial. Or else the previous analogue reception wasn't that
"satisfactory".

Cheers,
David.

My first experience of freeview ;-)
 

In article ,
Mark wrote:
Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.
- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.

Sounds like a crappy STB. And or aerial. No problems like that here.

- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.
- The only new channel I watched is "Dave" and it has too many
adverts, DOGs and other irritations for me to watch if it wasn't
pouring with rain.

Of course it depends on what you want, but I watch a fair bit of Fiver and
Five USA. Of course an avid viewer may have seen it all before.

- Digital teletext seems as slow as the analogue variety.

Hardly ever use TeleText. You can find such information faster using the
computer.

And this is progress.....

Progress seems to be offering choice over quality. Exactly as predicted
when TV was opened up to provide the government with as much income as
possible. And that's not with hindsight.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Mark" wrote in message
...
Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.
- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.
- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.
- The only new channel I watched is "Dave" and it has too many
adverts, DOGs and other irritations for me to watch if it wasn't
pouring with rain.
- Digital teletext seems as slow as the analogue variety.


Never seen/heard the sound problem, others yes due to a weak area or poor
aerial.
I travel quite a bit in my caravan and often surprised that I can get
Freeview.
I do think some of the transmitters at a site might have different power as
I find Sky News for EG often missing.
Regards
David

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:20:39 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Mark wrote:
Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.
- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.

Sounds like a crappy STB. And or aerial. No problems like that here.

- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.
- The only new channel I watched is "Dave" and it has too many
adverts, DOGs and other irritations for me to watch if it wasn't
pouring with rain.

Of course it depends on what you want, but I watch a fair bit of Fiver and
Five USA. Of course an avid viewer may have seen it all before.

- Digital teletext seems as slow as the analogue variety.

Hardly ever use TeleText. You can find such information faster using the
computer.

Only if you have internet access. This is a holiday let and does not
even have a telephone. Also has very poor mobile coverage.

And this is progress.....

Progress seems to be offering choice over quality. Exactly as predicted
when TV was opened up to provide the government with as much income as
possible. And that's not with hindsight.
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"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/08/2010 09:44, Mark wrote:
Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.
- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.

Those are all symptoms of either a crap freeview box, and/or poor/weak
signal.

Also it's common, especially after switchover, for freeview boxes to choose
the first signal it finds for each multiplex rather than the strongest one.
Hence you may actually be receiving some of the channels much more reliably
but your box has chosen weak unreliable signals from an adjacent area.

Typically the only satisfactory way round this is to find out the actual
frequency channels used by your correct local transmitter and clear your box
(or IDTV) by scanning with no aerial connected and then manually scan just
the correct frequency channels.

--

Brian Gregory. (In the UK)

To email me remove the letter vee.

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In article ,
Mark wrote:
Hardly ever use TeleText. You can find such information faster using the
computer.

Only if you have internet access. This is a holiday let and does not
even have a telephone. Also has very poor mobile coverage.

Ah - I didn't pick up it was a remote location.

You said it had satisfactory analogue reception. Was that on all 5
channels?

It's just that many don't notice fairly poor analogue, but do notice
reception faults on digital. Rather like those who can't hear multi-path
on FM radio, but complain about the boiling mud effect on DAB. ;-)

Have you got a reasonable outside aerial, and have you had the signal
strength measured? It might be improved by adjustment.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:34:30 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Mark wrote:
Hardly ever use TeleText. You can find such information faster using the
computer.

Only if you have internet access. This is a holiday let and does not
even have a telephone. Also has very poor mobile coverage.

Ah - I didn't pick up it was a remote location.

You said it had satisfactory analogue reception. Was that on all 5
channels?

BBC1-2, ITV & C4 were OK. I don't know about 5.

It's just that many don't notice fairly poor analogue, but do notice
reception faults on digital. Rather like those who can't hear multi-path
on FM radio, but complain about the boiling mud effect on DAB. ;-)

Have you got a reasonable outside aerial, and have you had the signal
strength measured? It might be improved by adjustment.

There's a choice of two aeriels, both indoor. I tried adjusting both
without any improvement (I could make it worse though). I didn't have
any means to measure signal strength. It's not my place so I can't
fiddle too much.
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Mark wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:34:30 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Mark wrote:
Hardly ever use TeleText. You can find such information faster using the
computer.

Only if you have internet access. This is a holiday let and does not
even have a telephone. Also has very poor mobile coverage.

Ah - I didn't pick up it was a remote location.

You said it had satisfactory analogue reception. Was that on all 5
channels?

BBC1-2, ITV & C4 were OK. I don't know about 5.

It's just that many don't notice fairly poor analogue, but do notice
reception faults on digital. Rather like those who can't hear multi-path
on FM radio, but complain about the boiling mud effect on DAB. ;-)

Have you got a reasonable outside aerial, and have you had the signal
strength measured? It might be improved by adjustment.

There's a choice of two aeriels, both indoor. I tried adjusting both
without any improvement (I could make it worse though). I didn't have
any means to measure signal strength. It's not my place so I can't
fiddle too much.

There's the answer. The owners CBA to set up a proper aerial. They
don't have to watch it so they get away with bare minimum so you get
blocky breakup and poor sync. The only solution to this kind of thing
is to complain and hope that enough complaints will result in a bit of
money being thrown at the problem to put a decent aerial up.
--
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"Mark" wrote in message
...
Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.
- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.
- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.
- The only new channel I watched is "Dave" and it has too many
adverts, DOGs and other irritations for me to watch if it wasn't
pouring with rain.
- Digital teletext seems as slow as the analogue variety.

And this is progress.....





so their aerial isn't set up properly - would you call satellite bad if
their dish wasn't pointing in the right direction?



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"Mark" wrote in message
...
Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.
- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.
- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.

I think that you are being too fussy. There are lots of great programs on
some of the "smaller" channels. Though you might have to way a few months
for the good stuff to come along

tim

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"Mark" wrote in message
...
Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.
- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.
- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.
- The only new channel I watched is "Dave" and it has too many
adverts, DOGs and other irritations for me to watch if it wasn't
pouring with rain.
- Digital teletext seems as slow as the analogue variety.

And this is progress.....


so their aerial isn't set up properly - would you call satellite bad if
their dish wasn't pointing in the right direction?



Agreed, and if anything I find the digital signal to be far more resilient
than my Mendip analogue before DSO, I know I've posted this previously, but
I can receive reliable reception (on Ch 800) of the PSB multiplex from the
group 'A' Stockland hill transmitter (around 50 miles distance) on the side
of a group 'C/D' aerial located in the Bristol postcode area, there was
never a cat's chance in hell of receiving anywhere near the same quality of
reception on analogue, even when using a dedicated group 'A' aerial and
masthead amp.

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:03:27 +0100, tim.... wrote:

"Mark" wrote in message
...
Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.
- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.
- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.

I think that you are being too fussy. There are lots of great programs on
some of the "smaller" channels. Though you might have to way a few months
for the good stuff to come along

Yes you're right. I think I watched something on E4 once - though
it was so long ago I don't recall what. I have also noticed there
are lots of films on Film4 that would be good for first-time viewers.

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In article ,
Mark wrote:
You said it had satisfactory analogue reception. Was that on all 5
channels?

BBC1-2, ITV & C4 were OK. I don't know about 5.

It's just that many don't notice fairly poor analogue, but do notice
reception faults on digital. Rather like those who can't hear multi-path
on FM radio, but complain about the boiling mud effect on DAB. ;-)

Have you got a reasonable outside aerial, and have you had the signal
strength measured? It might be improved by adjustment.

There's a choice of two aeriels, both indoor. I tried adjusting both
without any improvement (I could make it worse though). I didn't have
any means to measure signal strength. It's not my place so I can't
fiddle too much.

Oh dear. Have you ever wondered why most houses have outdoor aerials -
even in areas quite close to a transmitter?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Mark" wrote in message
...
Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.

Does it re-sync if you change channels away and back again. If so ist the
box. I have a cheap Tesco Value box and its fine. Expensive ones seem
worse....

- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.

This can be two things. Just poor signal. Most boxes have a way to check
both level and quality. What does it say?
Also can be interference. Are you near Taxi, Ham, Tram Lines, AirPort Radar?

- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.

To each there own. I like the Time Team repeats, the old detective programs,
Film4 has the odd good film..

- The only new channel I watched is "Dave" and it has too many
adverts, DOGs and other irritations for me to watch if it wasn't
pouring with rain.

Sadly the content has to be paid for in some way.....

- Digital teletext seems as slow as the analogue variety.

This is a symptom of high error rates, or an older box with a slow CPU that
can't cope with new 16QAM thats now used on BBC1 etc.. Can also be caused by
poor/noisy signal, so see above. However I find content more limited...


And this is progress.....

Well as the adds say MORE isn't always BETTER ....

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writes
Yes, never mind the quality, feel the width.

Haven't seen that series on any of the perpetual repeat channels though.
;-)
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:54:39 +0100, "Dave Wade"
wrote:

"Mark" wrote in message
.. .
Last week I went on a break to an area that has already switched off
the analogue transmissions. Analogue reception was satisfactory
before switch-over. The things we notice now:

- The sound often does not sync with the picture.

Does it re-sync if you change channels away and back again. If so ist the
box. I have a cheap Tesco Value box and its fine. Expensive ones seem
worse....

Don't know. I didn't try this.

- regular loss of the sound and picture for several seconds.
- Set top box "freezes" every now and again and has to be unplugged.

This can be two things. Just poor signal. Most boxes have a way to check
both level and quality. What does it say?

The box did not have any way of checking signal strength or quality
that I could find.

Also can be interference. Are you near Taxi, Ham, Tram Lines, AirPort Radar?

LOL! There's nothing much around there except sheep.

- Most of the extra channels have nothing I would want to watch
anyway.

To each there own. I like the Time Team repeats, the old detective programs,
Film4 has the odd good film..

- The only new channel I watched is "Dave" and it has too many
adverts, DOGs and other irritations for me to watch if it wasn't
pouring with rain.

Sadly the content has to be paid for in some way.....

Adverts yes, but DOGs and other interruptions provide no revenue.

- Digital teletext seems as slow as the analogue variety.

This is a symptom of high error rates, or an older box with a slow CPU that
can't cope with new 16QAM thats now used on BBC1 etc.. Can also be caused by
poor/noisy signal, so see above. However I find content more limited...


And this is progress.....

Well as the adds say MORE isn't always BETTER ....

;-)

Anyhow my post wasn't supposed to be taken too seriously, hence the
smiley in the subject line.
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In article ,
Mark wrote:
Anyhow my post wasn't supposed to be taken too seriously, hence the
smiley in the subject line.

Just curious, but why wait for a holiday to watch FreeView? I'm happy
never to watch TV at all on holiday.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:18:53 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:13:11 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Mark wrote:
Anyhow my post wasn't supposed to be taken too seriously, hence the
smiley in the subject line.

Just curious, but why wait for a holiday to watch FreeView? I'm happy
never to watch TV at all on holiday.

Because there was torrential rain and a gale blowing and because he was in a
rented holiday house with Freeview and wanted to try it. I did the same with
Freesat this year with similar weather.

Pretty much it. And I can't get freeview at home, hence "my first
experience".
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In article , Mark
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:54:39 +0100, "Dave Wade"
wrote:


This can be two things. Just poor signal. Most boxes have a way to check
both level and quality. What does it say?

The box did not have any way of checking signal strength or quality
that I could find.

What make/model of 'box? Some of them have things like hidden away
somewhere in the interface. So if you say what box it is, someone may be
able to tell you how to get it to show strength or quality indicators.

Also can be interference. Are you near Taxi, Ham, Tram Lines, AirPort Radar?

LOL! There's nothing much around there except sheep.

Perhaps some are jammers in disguise. 8-]

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On Wednesday, August 18th, 2010 at 12:18:53h +0200, Martin van Nederlands schreef:

Because there was torrential rain and a gale blowing

No holiday in England can be truly complete and satisfying
without such a day. ;)

I did the same with Freesat this year with similar weather.

Presumably you were testing the size of the dish and its stability to
avoid rain fade and being blown off alignment. ;)

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On Wednesday, August 18th, 2010 at 08:56:40h +0100, Kennedy McEwen wrote:

Haven't seen that series on any of the perpetual repeat channels though.
;-)

Has it ever been repeated since the 1970s?

Or is it considered unsuitable for modern sensitive audiences because of
its racial stereotypes?

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In article ,
Mark wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:54:39 +0100, "Dave Wade"
wrote:


Also can be interference. Are you near Taxi, Ham, Tram Lines, AirPort
Radar?

LOL! There's nothing much around there except sheep.

there's always the rural favourite - an electric fence.

--
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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16

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On Aug 18, 2:41*pm, J G Miller wrote:
On Wednesday, August 18th, 2010 at 08:56:40h +0100, Kennedy McEwen wrote:

Haven't seen that series on any of the perpetual repeat channels though..
;-)

Has it ever been repeated since the 1970s?

Or is it considered unsuitable for modern sensitive audiences because of
its racial stereotypes?

It isn't the audience that's sensitive. It's the lefty/liberals who
run broadcasting, who would like to brainwash us all.

Bill

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Mark
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:54:39 +0100, "Dave Wade"
wrote:


This can be two things. Just poor signal. Most boxes have a way to check
both level and quality. What does it say?

The box did not have any way of checking signal strength or quality
that I could find.

What make/model of 'box? Some of them have things like hidden away
somewhere in the interface. So if you say what box it is, someone may be
able to tell you how to get it to show strength or quality indicators.

On mine it's hidden on the "manual tuning" page. just make sure that you
don't press "OK" when you get there

tim

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" wrote in message
...
On Aug 18, 2:41 pm, J G Miller wrote:
On Wednesday, August 18th, 2010 at 08:56:40h +0100, Kennedy McEwen wrote:

Haven't seen that series on any of the perpetual repeat channels though.
;-)

Has it ever been repeated since the 1970s?

Or is it considered unsuitable for modern sensitive audiences because of
its racial stereotypes?

It isn't the audience that's sensitive. It's the lefty/liberals who
run broadcasting, who would like to brainwash us all.

Bill

Hello Bill,
Have you seen any of Pat Condell's Utube videos ? He has a great way of
putting ideas across with force and a wry sense of humour.
Pardon this intrusion but I really think he is on the right track.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=.../0/pZmxMlSTETo

Richard H.

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In article , tim....
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...


What make/model of 'box? Some of them have things like hidden away
somewhere in the interface. So if you say what box it is, someone may
be able to tell you how to get it to show strength or quality
indicators.

On mine it's hidden on the "manual tuning" page. just make sure that
you don't press "OK" when you get there

My old Nokia 221T (which still seems to work now all the muxes are 8k, etc)
also has a 'bar indicator' of signal level on a manual tuning page.

In addition if you press the 'navi' button and then the 'opt' button it
pops up a full display of CNR, level in dBm, BER, and mux details. No idea
how well calibated, but useful for comparisons during fiddling about or all
the tedious rescanning.

FWIW We have now come though DSO. The second change was yesterday and
seemed to go OK. But as usual I had to do "auto scan with no input" to
clear the list, then "manual scan of each mux channel" to get the correct
ones and reject the alternatives from a weaker tx. Curiously the 'stage 1'
process muddled up some of the presented 'channel number' so I got things
like Al Jazeera on '320' on the Nokia after stage 1, but it is now back to
89.

Main annoyance is that we had a loss of signal for about 10 seconds on 7th
Aug. Right in the middle of the slow movement of Mahler's 5th on BBC2.
Arrggh. :- Must try and find out what happened. Annoying that the BBC1/2
Proms don't get repeated as do the ones on BBC4. So no second chance to
hear the work without the break. Murphy only strikes when it matters!

Slainte,

Jim

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:39:15 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 18, 2:41*pm, J G Miller wrote:
On Wednesday, August 18th, 2010 at 08:56:40h +0100, Kennedy McEwen wrote:

Haven't seen that series on any of the perpetual repeat channels though.
;-)

Has it ever been repeated since the 1970s?

Or is it considered unsuitable for modern sensitive audiences because of
its racial stereotypes?

It isn't the audience that's sensitive. It's the lefty/liberals who
run broadcasting, who would like to brainwash us all.

Better wear your tinfoil hat then.

This morning the BBC News I watched only covered what the Tories were
doing and only interviewed a Tory MP. This must be evidence of right
wing bias within the BBC ;-)
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In article ,
Mark wrote:
It isn't the audience that's sensitive. It's the lefty/liberals who
run broadcasting, who would like to brainwash us all.

Better wear your tinfoil hat then.

This morning the BBC News I watched only covered what the Tories were
doing and only interviewed a Tory MP. This must be evidence of right
wing bias within the BBC ;-)

The idea is to get an equal number of complaints from both sides.
Sadly, the right wingers tend to be more vocal. Since they just love
having something to get all upset and self righteous about.

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On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:56:52 +0100, Mark
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:39:15 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 18, 2:41*pm, J G Miller wrote:
On Wednesday, August 18th, 2010 at 08:56:40h +0100, Kennedy McEwen wrote:

Haven't seen that series on any of the perpetual repeat channels though.
;-)

Has it ever been repeated since the 1970s?

Or is it considered unsuitable for modern sensitive audiences because of
its racial stereotypes?

It isn't the audience that's sensitive. It's the lefty/liberals who
run broadcasting, who would like to brainwash us all.

Better wear your tinfoil hat then.

This morning the BBC News I watched only covered what the Tories were
doing and only interviewed a Tory MP. This must be evidence of right
wing bias within the BBC ;-)

;-)

But were the coverage and questions put from a lefty point of view?


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On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:16:48 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:56:52 +0100, Mark
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:39:15 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 18, 2:41*pm, J G Miller wrote:
On Wednesday, August 18th, 2010 at 08:56:40h +0100, Kennedy McEwen wrote:

Haven't seen that series on any of the perpetual repeat channels though.
;-)

Has it ever been repeated since the 1970s?

Or is it considered unsuitable for modern sensitive audiences because of
its racial stereotypes?

It isn't the audience that's sensitive. It's the lefty/liberals who
run broadcasting, who would like to brainwash us all.

Better wear your tinfoil hat then.

This morning the BBC News I watched only covered what the Tories were
doing and only interviewed a Tory MP. This must be evidence of right
wing bias within the BBC ;-)

The episodes of HIGNFY leading up to the last election were hardly impartial.

Agreed. They were very nice to Labour and Tories and insulting to the
Lib Dems.
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Mark
wrote:
It isn't the audience that's sensitive. It's the lefty/liberals who
run broadcasting, who would like to brainwash us all.

Better wear your tinfoil hat then.

This morning the BBC News I watched only covered what the Tories were
doing and only interviewed a Tory MP. This must be evidence of right
wing bias within the BBC ;-)

The idea is to get an equal number of complaints from both sides. Sadly,
the right wingers tend to be more vocal. Since they just love having
something to get all upset and self righteous about.

As exampled in last week's 'Any Questions' where
the-woman-who-used-to-work-for-the-CBI got very annoyed and loudly talked
over someone who'd dared to point out that mere evidence clashed with her
theories.

Maybe someone should raise a discussion about all this on a *political*
newsgroup. :-)

mode='stir'
If people want to talk about 'politics' on a topic closer to science and
technology, maybe they should focus on what Dawkin's prog on More4 last
night investigated. I've not yet watched it all, but in what I saw I was
despressed by yet another apparent example of a 'science' sic? teacher
who seemed to have no real understanding of science. It would be funny if
the consequences weren't so worrying. And it is being paid for with our
taxes.... /mode

Slainte,

Jim

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On Aug 19, 7:58*am, "Hawkins"
wrote:
" wrote in message

...
On Aug 18, 2:41 pm, J G Miller wrote:

On Wednesday, August 18th, 2010 at 08:56:40h +0100, Kennedy McEwen wrote:

Haven't seen that series on any of the perpetual repeat channels though.
;-)

Has it ever been repeated since the 1970s?

Or is it considered unsuitable for modern sensitive audiences because of
its racial stereotypes?

It isn't the audience that's sensitive. It's the lefty/liberals who
run broadcasting, who would like to brainwash us all.

Bill

Hello Bill,
Have you seen any of Pat Condell's Utube videos ? He has a great way of
putting ideas across with force and a wry sense of humour.
Pardon this intrusion but I really think he is on the right track.http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=.../0/pZmxMlSTETo

Richard H.

That's very good! Very amusing. How come we all agree with him but
nothing is every put right?

Bill

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On Aug 19, 10:56*am, Mark
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:39:15 -0700 (PDT), "

This morning the BBC News I watched only covered what the Tories were
doing and only interviewed a Tory MP. *This must be evidence of right
wing bias within the BBC ;-)

Ah, they do that sometimes. It's a sort of double bluff. Mind you I
don't think BBC News is all that biased. It's the values and
assumptions in light entertainment programmes that annoy me. Bring
back Bernard Manning I say!

Bill

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On Aug 19, 11:22*am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article ,
* *Mark wrote:

The idea is to get an equal number of complaints from both sides.
Sadly, the right wingers tend to be more vocal. Since they just love
having something to get all upset and self righteous about.

No, it's the lefties who get self-righteous. The looks of self-
righteous disapproval I get when I talk in a loud voice about
Pakistanis,Gypsies and dole scroungers in a student pub prove that.

Bill

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On Aug 19, 10:41*am, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , tim....
Main annoyance is that we had a loss of signal for about 10 seconds on 7th
Aug. Right in the middle of the slow movement of Mahler's 5th on BBC2.
Arrggh. *:- *Must try and find out what happened. Annoying that the BBC1/2
Proms don't get repeated as do the ones on BBC4. So no second chance to
hear the work without the break. Murphy only strikes when it matters!

Couldn't you just keep singing, like they do on 'I'm sorry I haven't a
clue'?

Bill

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In article
,
wrote:
On Aug 19, 10:41 am, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , tim.... Main annoyance
is that we had a loss of signal for about 10 seconds on 7th Aug. Right
in the middle of the slow movement of Mahler's 5th on BBC2. Arrggh.
:- Must try and find out what happened. Annoying that the BBC1/2
Proms don't get repeated as do the ones on BBC4. So no second chance
to hear the work without the break. Murphy only strikes when it
matters!

Couldn't you just keep singing, like they do on 'I'm sorry I haven't a
clue'?

Wrong movement. You're thinking of the later one.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article
,
wrote:
On Aug 19, 11:22 am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article ,
Mark wrote:

The idea is to get an equal number of complaints from both sides.
Sadly, the right wingers tend to be more vocal. Since they just love
having something to get all upset and self righteous about.

No, it's the lefties who get self-righteous. The looks of self-
righteous disapproval I get when I talk in a loud voice about
Pakistanis,Gypsies and dole scroungers in a student pub prove that.

You actually think only left wingers object to racist comments? And that
left wingers approve of dole scroungers - if they are indeed that?

One thing I do find strange is how so many right wingers think the state
should pay for the care of *their* old folks - regardless of how rich they
are.

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On Aug 19, 4:59*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article
No, it's the lefties who get self-righteous. The looks of self-
righteous disapproval I get when I talk in a loud voice about
Pakistanis,Gypsies and dole scroungers in a student pub prove that.

You actually think only left wingers object to racist comments?
Well obviously not because I object very strongly to racist comments
but I'm not a leftie. What on earth makes you think I would be making
racist comments anyway? If I mentioned Pakistanis I would probably be
talking about illegal immigrants, and if I mentioned gypsies I would
probably be talking about the recent incident in which Scarborough
Council has spent £55,000 providing them with an exclusive holiday
camp, whilst they won't even provide car parks without height barriers
so motor home owners (who bring a lot of serious money into the towns)
can park. What's racist about that? A racist would probably say
something like "Pakistanis and Gypsies are the scum of the earth and
they should all be gassed." I think you've forgotten what racism
actually is.

And that left wingers approve of dole scroungers - if they are indeed that?
Left wingers are very soft on all forms of welfare state abuse.
There's no doubt about that.


One thing I do find strange is how so many right wingers think the state
should pay for the care of *their* old folks - regardless of how rich they
are.
Person One works hard all their life and saves up for their old age.
Result: the state takes their house and savings to pay for their care.
Person Two does very little work all their life, and boozes and smokes
what money they have. Result: the state provides their care.

Bill