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J G Miller wrote:
le samedi, 7 août, 2010 a 14:28:15h +0100, Monsieur Le Lievre a écrit:

Great Britain is regarded as the mainland here

Do they cut out Normandie from the weather maps in order to
maintain that illusion?

It's not unknown for *French* weather maps to leave out the Channel Islands.

And writing 'le samedi, 7 août ...' etc. may gratify your inclination to use
non-English languages, but you might as well have used Swahili. Nick le
Lievre as a Jerseyman and I as a Guernseyman speak English as our mother
tongues, and if we speak anything else it will be Jersey-French in his case
or Guernsey-French in my case. Modern continental French is as foreign a
language to us as Japanese or Quechua - though we may happen to know enough
to be polite to the neighbours.

André Coutanche

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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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Nick Le Lievre wrote:

Or it is cheaper to source them from the mainland ie the nearest Leroy
Merlin in Normandie?

Great Britain is regarded as the mainland here and I would have thought that
the local satellite company with the expertise to carry out this work would
have sourced them from a regular contact in Great Britain.

You're possibly more likely to find better technical expertise, skill, and
common sense in France.

Jersey is very, very English in every way.
I was there in 2005 (mother had won free flights for some reason), and my
impression of St Helier was one of a generic British slumhole town, which
happened to be on an island. They'd even built standard-issue English high-rise
council blocks.

I enjoyed the underground Nazi hospital though. This was built by prisoners of
war during the occupation, and the exhibition contained within describes
objectively how the Brits behaved under occupation - ramsacking the homes of
the people who fled to England before they'd even got on their boats,
maliciously accusing their friends/neighbours of crime to the Nazi authorities
to get back at them after they'd had petty rows, sleeping with the soldiers to
get extra rations and privelidges, etc etc etc.

Back on-topic, and while I was there I tried to pick up French TV with my
multistandard pocket-sized LCD TV, but could find none whatsoever. There was
plenty of French FM radio reception, however.


jamie.
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On Saturday, August 7th, 2010 at 17:37:47 +0100, André Coutanche explained:

It's not unknown for *French* weather maps to leave out the Channel
Islands.

That would not surprise me in the least.

Weather maps can be very territorial.

Modern continental French is as foreign a language to us as
Japanese or Quechua

How did you cope when Channel Television broadcast "Les Actualites",
which as far as I am aware was in standard French?

And surely you have no difficulties in receiving and understanding
les émissions de la TNT?

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André Coutanche wrote:

André Coutanche

You know for years I've read your surname as Countache (which I imagined
was pronounced "ash" rather than "ake"), wonder why it jumped out at me
today?

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J G Miller wrote:
On Saturday, August 7th, 2010 at 17:37:47 +0100, André Coutanche wrote

Modern continental French is as foreign a language to us as
Japanese or Quechua

How did you cope when Channel Television broadcast "Les Actualites",
which as far as I am aware was in standard French?

I didn't have to. It was intended for French viewers ('chers
téléspectateurs') in western Normandy.

And surely you have no difficulties in receiving and understanding
les émissions de la TNT?

What makes you think I'm in Guernsey now? No, I can't receive French DTT in
Bristol, and when I'm in France I watch it with reasonable understanding.
But that's because my rusty 'O' Level French improved fairly rapidly when I
married a French lady. Most people in the Channel Islands have no reason to
go beyond the rusty 'O' Level (or equivalent) stage.

André Coutanche

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Andy Burns wrote:
André Coutanche wrote:

André Coutanche

You know for years I've read your surname as Countache (which I
imagined was pronounced "ash" rather than "ake"), wonder why it
jumped out at me today?

Who can say? You wouldn't be the first to try to pronounce it like that -
but I can assure you that I have very little in common with a Lamborghini,
with or without an 'e' ...

André Coutanche

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Andy Burns said...

You know for years I've read your surname as Countache (which I imagined
was pronounced "ash" rather than "ake"), wonder why it jumped out at me
today?

Same here, never twigged till you pointed it out.

--
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On Saturday, August 7th, 2010, at 18:08:44h +0100, André Coutanche wrote:

It was intended for French viewers ('chers téléspectateurs') in
western Normandy.

I was not aware of that -- I had always been under the mistake
impression it was for people with a knowledge of French on the islands.

No, I can't receive French DTT in Bristol

In that case you could watch France 2, 3, 5 from Atlantic Bird 3
at 5.0° West.

Incidentally in the Digital UK Analog Switchoff guidance pamphlet
edition for the Channel Islands, they do acknowledge that some
residents might already be watching TNT.

BTW Are you related to the late Alexander Moncrieff Coutanche?

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On Aug 7, 7:18*pm, J G Miller wrote:
Incidentally in the Digital UK Analog Switchoff guidance pamphlet

Come come! 'Analogue' this side of the Atlantic!

Bill

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"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
...
"Adrian" wrote in message
om...

It's a pity that a local satellite company with the expertise to carry
out the work isn't the one doing it.

I don`t know that for sure as I`m no expert on the subject, the mast
erections looked OK to me and I would of thought they had the Aerial, FM
Aerial and Satellite dish on the one pole because its an IRS system that
is being built.

An accomplished aerial erector has to envision what will happen
under strong wind conditions.

Steve Terry
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J G Miller wrote:
BTW Are you related to the late Alexander Moncrieff Coutanche?

Almost certainly. But I've no idea how.

André Coutanche

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"Steve Terry" wrote in message
...

An accomplished aerial erector has to envision what will happen
under strong wind conditions.

Surely it would take a Hurricane to bring them down and as we don`t get many
Hurricanes in Jersey I am not too worried. If you look around at other
Aerial/Satellite erections on other buildings they don`t look any less
susceptible to strong winds. It looks to me like a standard installation not
any worse then many others.

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Nick Le Lievre wrote:
"Steve Terry" wrote in message
...

An accomplished aerial erector has to envision what will happen
under strong wind conditions.

Surely it would take a Hurricane to bring them down and as we don`t get
many Hurricanes in Jersey I am not too worried. If you look around at
other Aerial/Satellite erections on other buildings they don`t look any
less susceptible to strong winds. It looks to me like a standard
installation not any worse then many others.

Several people have pointed out that it is a poor installation, and
their reasons for saying so.
--
Adrian

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"Adrian" wrote in message
om...

Several people have pointed out that it is a poor installation, and their
reasons for saying so.

Yeah but without actually looking at it closely how can you know for sure
that it is a poor installation. Looks can be deceiving. I am not qualified
to comment either way and I would hope that those who have commented are
qualified to comment, for instance what is your technical background?

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On Saturday, August 7th, 2010 at 19:21:25h -0700, William Wright complained:

Come come! 'Analogue' this side of the Atlantic!

As penance for not using the English English spelling, here is the URL
to the PDF of the document.

http://www.digitaluk.co.UK/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/33280/DG0045_1d_Chan_Is_3Mth_16pp.pdf

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On Sunday, August 8th, 2010, at 03:51:13 +0100, Steve Terry explained:

An accomplished aerial erector has to envision what will happen under
strong wind conditions.

Surely nor just envision, but done the calculation of wind loading
and thus determined the necessary size of bolts and mast to use?

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On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:22:26 +0100, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote:

"Adrian" wrote in message
news:[email protected] com...

Several people have pointed out that it is a poor installation, and their
reasons for saying so.

Yeah but without actually looking at it closely how can you know for sure
that it is a poor installation. Looks can be deceiving. I am not qualified
to comment either way and I would hope that those who have commented are
qualified to comment, for instance what is your technical background?

I am not an aerial rigger or any sort of expert on this matter.

However, looking at the photos I wonder:

1. is the mast strong enough? (It looks rather thin to be carring such
a load.)

2. are the brackets too close together? (The closer they are, the
greater the leverage the mast has on them and the greater the
horizontal forces appled to the brackets by the mast.)

3. are the brackets made of sufficiently substantial material?

Even assuming that everthing is assembled properly and that the brackets
are adequately fixed to the wall I would still have those three doubts.

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"J G Miller" wrote in message
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On Sunday, August 8th, 2010, at 03:51:13 +0100, Steve Terry explained:

An accomplished aerial erector has to envision what will happen under
strong wind conditions.

Surely nor just envision, but done the calculation of wind loading
and thus determined the necessary size of bolts and mast to use?

It amazes me how people who are probably not even qualified themselves
(unless erecting your own Aerial/Satellite dish counts) can determine from a
couple of photographs that a) the mast is very weak b) that they have not
done the necessary calculations. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, however
how much a persons opinion is worth is another matter, mine is worth nothing
as I do not know what I am talking about and quite freely admit it. We are
assuming quite a lot of things here, you that they are below the required
level of competence, I that they are on the required level of competence.
None one really knows and it is only speculation.

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"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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The people who commented ARE qualified. It seems like you don't like the
answers that came back, that's your issue.

No I am entitled to have the opinion that they will provide years of solid
service and could stand a hurricane, if you don`t like that opinion that is
your issue.

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In article ,
Nick Le Lievre wrote:
"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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The people who commented ARE qualified. It seems like you don't like the
answers that came back, that's your issue.

No I am entitled to have the opinion that they will provide years of
solid service and could stand a hurricane, if you don`t like that
opinion that is your issue.

just over 20 years ago there was a 'near hurricane' in the south of
England. Masses of tv aerials came down since the mountings were too
flimsy. The ones you've photgraphed look like those except there is a dish
on the pole as well.

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"charles" wrote in message
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just over 20 years ago there was a 'near hurricane' in the south of
England. Masses of tv aerials came down since the mountings were too
flimsy. The ones you've photgraphed look like those except there is a
dish
on the pole as well.

I remember it well, it was freak weather. I do not think these guys have
taken freak weather conditions into consideration and if it comes down next
time there is a near hurricane they will just have to put it back up again.
The reason why there is a dish on the pole as well is because its an IRS
mast, see this wikipedia entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integra...ception_system pay particular
attention to the photo of the IRS mast.

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Nick Le Lievre wrote:
"charles" wrote in message
...

just over 20 years ago there was a 'near hurricane' in the south of
England. Masses of tv aerials came down since the mountings were too
flimsy. The ones you've photgraphed look like those except there is a
dish
on the pole as well.

I remember it well, it was freak weather. I do not think these guys have
taken freak weather conditions into consideration and if it comes down
next time there is a near hurricane they will just have to put it back
up again. The reason why there is a dish on the pole as well is because
its an IRS mast, see this wikipedia entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integra...ception_system pay particular
attention to the photo of the IRS mast.

I know why there's a dish - But it is putting too much wind loading on a
thin pole.

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"charles" wrote in message
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I know why there's a dish - But it is putting too much wind loading on a
thin pole.

I think you`ll find many masts designed for IRS are just like this, look at
the one in the wikipedia photo for example. I am sure they can withstand all
but the very worst wind conditions.

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"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
...
"charles" wrote in message
...

I know why there's a dish - But it is putting too much wind loading on a
thin pole.

I think you`ll find many masts designed for IRS are just like this, look
at the one in the wikipedia photo for example. I am sure they can
withstand all but the very worst wind conditions.

in fact I think its more of a design fault with the IRS masts rather then
the incompetence of the installers, the reason why they are so thin is
probably because they would stick out like a sore thumb if they were any
thicker and the will withstand all but the freakish of weather conditions,
so its a sort of trade off.

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Nick Le Lievre wrote:
"charles" wrote in message
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I know why there's a dish - But it is putting too much wind loading on a
thin pole.

I think you`ll find many masts designed for IRS are just like this, look
at the one in the wikipedia photo for example. I am sure they can
withstand all but the very worst wind conditions.

I think you misuse the word "designed".

a few weeks ago, you knew nothing about reception - now you're an expert.
Remarkable facility - Wikepedia.

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"charles" wrote in message
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I think you misuse the word "designed".

a few weeks ago, you knew nothing about reception - now you're an expert.
Remarkable facility - Wikepedia.

I am not an expert but these things are manufactured, not by the installers
but by satellite equipment makers, so if you want to blame anyone blame
them.

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In article ,
Nick Le Lievre wrote:
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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"charles" wrote in message
...

I know why there's a dish - But it is putting too much wind loading on
a thin pole.

I think you`ll find many masts designed for IRS are just like this,
look at the one in the wikipedia photo for example. I am sure they can
withstand all but the very worst wind conditions.

in fact I think its more of a design fault with the IRS masts rather then
the incompetence of the installers, the reason why they are so thin is
probably because they would sticK out like a sore thumb if they were any
thicker and the will withstand all but the freakish of weather
conditions, so its a sort of trade off.

Surely the contractor installing the equipment selects all the components.
That will inclusde the mast. He doen't go to a wholesaler any ask for "an
IRS aerial sysytem".

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In article , Nick Le Lievre
wrote:
"charles" wrote in message
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I think you misuse the word "designed".

a few weeks ago, you knew nothing about reception - now you're an
expert. Remarkable facility - Wikepedia.

I am not an expert but these things are manufactured, not by the
installers but by satellite equipment makers, so if you want to blame
anyone blame them.

that statement shows just how little you know about teh subject.

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On Sunday, August 8th, 2010, at 16:19:53h +0100,
Nick Le Lievre declared:

that they have not done the necessary calculations.

Can you prove that they have done the necessary calculations?

How many of these installers are capable?

Do they have at least a GCSE in mathematics *and*
physics?

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"charles" wrote in message
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Surely the contractor installing the equipment selects all the components.
That will inclusde the mast. He doen't go to a wholesaler any ask for "an
IRS aerial sysytem".

Well I know the States of Jersey would have wanted the erections to stick
out as little as possible as they don`t normally allow erections of aerials
or satellite equipment as they regard it a bit of an eye sore, so it was
probably with this in mind that they went for the thinner versions.

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"charles" wrote in message
...

I am not an expert but these things are manufactured, not by the
installers but by satellite equipment makers, so if you want to blame
anyone blame them.

that statement shows just how little you know about teh subject.

are you suggesting that the satellite erectors make their own poles? Someone
must manufacture them surely.

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In article , Nick Le Lievre
wrote:
"charles" wrote in message
...

Surely the contractor installing the equipment selects all the
components. That will inclusde the mast. He doen't go to a wholesaler
any ask for "an IRS aerial sysytem".

Well I know the States of Jersey would have wanted the erections to stick
out as little as possible as they don`t normally allow erections of
aerials or satellite equipment as they regard it a bit of an eye sore,
so it was probably with this in mind that they went for the thinner
versions.

Ah. the customer is always right - even when he knows nothing about the
subject in question.
Don't forget I have met people from the States' housing - although it was
some years ago - when the st Helier relay came into service. I also met
with a very competant aerial firm - although with 20+ years intervening, I
can't remember their name or exactly where they were located. My copy of
Perry's has gone walkabout.

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Nick Le Lievre wrote:
"charles" wrote in message
...

I think you misuse the word "designed".

a few weeks ago, you knew nothing about reception - now you're an expert.
Remarkable facility - Wikepedia.

I am not an expert but these things are manufactured, not by the
installers but by satellite equipment makers, so if you want to blame
anyone blame them.

Eh ? Masts and bracketry come in various shapes and sizes, for various
applications. It's entirely up to the installer to ensure the spec and quality
of each component he's selected is appropriate, and has the resilience for the
application *he* is going to use them for.

For instance you wouldn't use Qty Four, 1 inch No.8 screws and rawplugs to
mount a 50 inch plasma screen on a plasterboard wall ? That doesn't mean 1
inch screws or rawplugs are useless !


--
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Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

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In article ,
Nick Le Lievre wrote:
"charles" wrote in message
...

I am not an expert but these things are manufactured, not by the
installers but by satellite equipment makers, so if you want to blame
anyone blame them.

that statement shows just how little you know about teh subject.

are you suggesting that the satellite erectors make their own poles?
Someone must manufacture them surely.

Yes, someone does make them, but not, as you said, the satellite equpment
makers. Poles are something the erector buys at the wholesaler completely
separately from the dish, the uhf & vhf aerials and the wall mounting
bracket or chimney lashing. All these should be selected on a site by site
basis.

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"charles" wrote in message
...

Ah. the customer is always right - even when he knows nothing about the
subject in question.
Don't forget I have met people from the States' housing - although it was
some years ago - when the st Helier relay came into service. I also met
with a very competant aerial firm - although with 20+ years intervening,
I
can't remember their name or exactly where they were located. My copy of
Perry's has gone walkabout.

From the 2009 Yellow Pages;

A1 Aerials & Satellite Systems
Fortuna Euronics
K & S Aerials
Satellite Aerial Solutions
Satellite Electrical Xpress
Sat-Tech Ltd
S.M. Systems
S.R Mead
Telefitters
T.V. Aerial Erectors

Does anyone of them light a spark in your memory...

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On Sunday, August 8th, 2010 at 17:37:45h +0100, Nick Le Lievre wrote:

are you suggesting that the satellite erectors make their own poles?

poles are manufactured by a polish manufacturer in poland, maybe?

The important point that you are ignoring is that poles are available
in a whole range of diameters, lengths, and tube thickness.

The diameter and tube thickness chosen must be sufficient to support
the loading and possible bending movement of the objects mounted on
the pole.

The pole needs to be secured to a surface such that it can support the
weight and any movement due to wind and that the forces exerted do not
result in the pole bending or that the force exerted by the the pole
on the mounting do not result in the anchoring bolts being pulled
out of the wall.

You would be surprised at how much force can be generated by even
the breeze on a sufficiently large satellite dish.

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In article ,
Nick Le Lievre wrote:
"charles" wrote in message
...

Ah. the customer is always right - even when he knows nothing about
the subject in question. Don't forget I have met people from the
States' housing - although it was some years ago - when the st Helier
relay came into service. I also met with a very competant aerial firm
- although with 20+ years intervening, I can't remember their name or
exactly where they were located. My copy of Perry's has gone walkabout.

From the 2009 Yellow Pages;

A1 Aerials & Satellite Systems
Fortuna Euronics
K & S Aerials
Satellite Aerial Solutions
Satellite Electrical Xpress
Sat-Tech Ltd
S.M. Systems
S.R Mead
Telefitters
T.V. Aerial Erectors

Does anyone of them light a spark in your memory...

sorry no. but looking at Google Maps, I reckon they were somewhere off the
Bagot or Longueville Road - on the right after coming out of the tunnel.
Possibly Miladi Farm Estate.

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On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:27:02 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Sunday, August 8th, 2010, at 16:19:53h +0100,
Nick Le Lievre declared:

that they have not done the necessary calculations.

Can you prove that they have done the necessary calculations?

How many of these installers are capable?

Do they have at least a GCSE in mathematics *and*
physics?

I don't think they need that sort of fundamental maths and physics, just
some figures that can be fed into a standard formula.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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On Sunday, August 8th, 2010, at 17:44:57h +0100, Mark Carver explained:

For instance you wouldn't use Qty Four, 1 inch No.8 screws and rawplugs
to mount a 50 inch plasma screen on a plasterboard wall ?

Using a handgun to shoot a hole in the wall for the satellite cable
is also "not a good idea".

http://www.kctv5.COM/news/15698864/detail.html

But that does not mean that handguns are useless! ;) ;) ;)

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"charles" wrote in message
...

Does anyone of them light a spark in your memory...

sorry no. but looking at Google Maps, I reckon they were somewhere off the
Bagot or Longueville Road - on the right after coming out of the tunnel.
Possibly Miladi Farm Estate.

Telefitters are 19 Green Road, St Clement that is on the right after coming
out of the Tunnel, could it be them your thinking of? I know the Jersey
Homes Trust now use Telefitters for maintenance of the IRS system where my
mother lives after Digital Communication Systems dissapeared.