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In message , Mike Tomlinson
writes
In article , Bob Henson
writes

On something as low-tech and yet as highly priced as a
boiler it's a disgrace that the expected life is so short.

They have become a lot more complicated in recent times.

In some ways


--
geoff

New televisions from China or Taiwan
 

Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
Fred wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 06:36:41 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:

Given that, until a few years ago, we were all used to CRT, how come
so many have gone over to LCD and CRT are now impossible to buy new?

I was told it was due to weight. CRTs are heavy so it costs more to
ship them halfway around the world. LCDs and plasmas are lighter and
also thinner, so they can fit more in a container too.

Thus using less of society's resources. And they may well consume less
lecky, too, another reason for switching.

Having said that, I suspect I shall miss the excellent picture on my
21" Panny when it finally goes tits-up.

No you won't, believe me. Once you've had a wide screen LCD, especially if
linked to a digital recorder, you'll never go back to your old 4:3 system
which will always seem to have something missing. I know because I had what
you describe and now have an excellent 26" LCD Panny that isn't the size and
weight of a house. I can now watch 'Look East' with Suzi Fowler-Watt rather
than 'uzi Fowler-Wa'.

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"Norman Wells" wrote in message
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Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
Fred wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 06:36:41 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:

Given that, until a few years ago, we were all used to CRT, how come
so many have gone over to LCD and CRT are now impossible to buy new?

I was told it was due to weight. CRTs are heavy so it costs more to
ship them halfway around the world. LCDs and plasmas are lighter and
also thinner, so they can fit more in a container too.

Thus using less of society's resources. And they may well consume less
lecky, too, another reason for switching.

Having said that, I suspect I shall miss the excellent picture on my
21" Panny when it finally goes tits-up.

No you won't, believe me. Once you've had a wide screen LCD, especially if
linked to a digital recorder, you'll never go back to your old 4:3 system
which will always seem to have something missing. I know because I had what
you describe and now have an excellent 26" LCD Panny that isn't the size and
weight of a house. I can now watch 'Look East' with Suzi Fowler-Watt rather
than 'uzi Fowler-Wa'.

Couldn't agree more, Norman. My old 28" CRT Sony was, I thought, a good
set, until I changed it for a widescreen Samsung 39" LCD. Especially on
HD, it's difficult to believe the all-round improvement in viewing. The
Sony was tiring a tad, with some signs of shaded areas appearing on the
screen, but we changed mainly to recover several square metres in the
corner of our lounge and to get a larger picture. Anyone unconvinced
should watch Planet Earth on Blu-ray on a decent-sized, good quality
LCD. It restored my flagging interest in watching TV - even the rubbish
repeats take on a new attractiveness.


Regards,

Bob

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Tim Streater wrote:

When it comes to it, I shall be comparing plasma and LCD *very*
carefully at JL before doing anything else at all about it.

Yes, particularly if it's a large JL where you can see loads of TVs side by
side showing the same broadcast. Don't just watch a DVD either. Make sure
you watch SD broadcasts live because that's what you'll be doing in the
main.

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In article , Bob Henson
scribeth thus


"Norman Wells" wrote in message
news:[email protected]:

Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
Fred wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 06:36:41 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:

Given that, until a few years ago, we were all used to CRT, how come
so many have gone over to LCD and CRT are now impossible to buy new?

I was told it was due to weight. CRTs are heavy so it costs more to
ship them halfway around the world. LCDs and plasmas are lighter and
also thinner, so they can fit more in a container too.

Thus using less of society's resources. And they may well consume less
lecky, too, another reason for switching.

Having said that, I suspect I shall miss the excellent picture on my
21" Panny when it finally goes tits-up.

No you won't, believe me. Once you've had a wide screen LCD, especially if
linked to a digital recorder, you'll never go back to your old 4:3 system
which will always seem to have something missing. I know because I had what
you describe and now have an excellent 26" LCD Panny that isn't the size and
weight of a house. I can now watch 'Look East' with Suzi Fowler-Watt rather
than 'uzi Fowler-Wa'.

Couldn't agree more, Norman. My old 28" CRT Sony was, I thought, a good
set, until I changed it for a widescreen Samsung 39" LCD. Especially on
HD, it's difficult to believe the all-round improvement in viewing.

Yeabut how old was the Sony?..

And did it get the benefit of the HD signal;?..

The
Sony was tiring a tad, with some signs of shaded areas appearing on the
screen, but we changed mainly to recover several square metres in the
corner of our lounge and to get a larger picture. Anyone unconvinced
should watch Planet Earth on Blu-ray on a decent-sized, good quality
LCD. It restored my flagging interest in watching TV - even the rubbish
repeats take on a new attractiveness.


Such a shame you won't be seeing that transmitted as such in these days
of bit rate reduction;!....

Regards,

Bob





--
Tony Sayer

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Well I hope so. The registration on my (1994) Panny is very good, you
had to be close up to see (when Teletext was up) to see a slight
mis-registration. Also when TT was up [1], it was clear that there was
no discernible pin-cushion or barrel distortion either. Of course I
appreciate that neither of these is an issue with a flat screen, but I
was always amazed how people didn't notice such glaring errors.

My BiL, f'rinstance, always reads Which? to decide what appliance to
get. So, one particular large Sony CRT a few years ago. After 2 secs
viewing, I could see that the whole of the top-left quarter of the
screen was *badly* mis-registered. He hadn't noticed - Which? said it
was a best-buy, therefore it was the best, and was perfect. No question
of looking at it in the shop to see before buying.

Might that have been where someone put a large loudspeaker next to it
and magnetised the screen?.

Or it was a convergence fault?...


When it comes to it, I shall be comparing plasma and LCD *very*
carefully at JL before doing anything else at all about it.

[1] I say "was", above, as the tuner is gone, although there's no
analogue signals round here anyway, near as I can tell.


--
Tony Sayer

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On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:59:33 +0100, Fred wrote:

I was told it was due to weight. CRTs are heavy so it costs more to
ship them halfway around the world. LCDs and plasmas are lighter and
also thinner, so they can fit more in a container too.

There isn't a lot in the weight between our old 28" CRT and 42"
plasma... Packaged volume is another matter, the box for the CRT made
a great play house for the kids for quite a while, the plasma box is
only 9" deep, useless as a playhouse. B-)

One disappointing thing is that you used to be able to get small TVs
(~14 inch) quite cheaply to use in the kitchen/bedroom/wherever but I
haven't seen anything small and cheap yet.

A 14" widescreen would be very small... Think you'd need 16" or
greater 16:9 to get the same vertical height as a 14" 4:3 set. 16" WS
TVs are about but not sub £100 but then most 16" or greater computer
monitors are also above £100.

--
Cheers
Dave.

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Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:

Well I hope so. The registration on my (1994) Panny is very good, you
had to be close up to see (when Teletext was up) to see a slight
mis-registration. Also when TT was up [1], it was clear that there
was no discernible pin-cushion or barrel distortion either. Of course
I appreciate that neither of these is an issue with a flat screen,
but I was always amazed how people didn't notice such glaring errors.

My BiL, f'rinstance, always reads Which? to decide what appliance to
get. So, one particular large Sony CRT a few years ago. After 2 secs
viewing, I could see that the whole of the top-left quarter of the
screen was *badly* mis-registered. He hadn't noticed - Which? said it
was a best-buy, therefore it was the best, and was perfect. No
question of looking at it in the shop to see before buying.

Might that have been where someone put a large loudspeaker next to it
and magnetised the screen?.

Or it was a convergence fault?...

I never found out. It was a different telly next time I went there :-)

(I'd say that if a l/s had that kind of leakage there'd have to be a
fault with it, too).

You would be wrong there, then.

All speakers leak HUGE amounts of flux.

There is no requirement for them not to.

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...


A 14" widescreen would be very small... Think you'd need 16" or
greater 16:9 to get the same vertical height as a 14" 4:3 set. 16" WS
TVs are about but not sub £100 but then most 16" or greater computer
monitors are also above £100.

No but you can buy a 19" for £125.
You would have to provide your own usb stick to record stuff onto for that
price.

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On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:50:52 +0100, "John"
wrote:


But items made of metal - requiring welding, brazing, assembly, etc seem to
carry a premium as their production methods aren't as advanced or as
efficient as a purely electronic item. On this assumption though a TV should
cost even less - but there is a lot of material in the casing and the
screen. Packaging and shipping - along with what the market will pay is also
a factor. Selling plasma TVs to people with a perfectly adequate CRT TV
proved that people will pay for very little improvement in 'functionality'.

That's very likely part of it, electronics can be knocked up in a
Chinese shed by robots and low paid people and don't cost a lot to
ship.

Actual metal bashing needs more man-hours and is still done in the UK
occasionally. Too heavy and bulky to freight at low cost.

Having said which there's probably a massive mark-up on a boiler when
you see how much more metal you get in some agricultural machinery
which doesn't cost much more.