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Ivan[_2_] July 24th 10 08:09 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 
Perhaps I've missed it, but I don't remember seeing anything about this
elsewhere, if it's true, then where are they going to find all of the extra
capacity?

"The BBC has announced that by April 2011 all BBC channels will be broadcast
in HD.
This will mean that there will be an HD channel for each of the BBC's
current channels, allowing those viewers with the right equipment to view
their favourite shows without having to keep switching over to the BBC HD
channel.
The BBC has told producers that all shows should be filmed in HD."

http://www.techwatch.co.uk/2010/07/23/bbc-to-go-hd-in-2011/


J G Miller[_4_] July 24th 10 08:49 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 
On Saturday, July 24th, 2010 at 19:09:57h +0100, Ivan explained:

"The BBC has announced that by April 2011 all BBC channels will be
broadcast in HD."


Techwatch provide no source for this statement.

It should be possible for BBC-1,2,3,4 to go HD on satellite and cable,
but as you so rightly observe this will be rather difficult on terrestrial
unless ITV-1/stv/utv and SC4/C4 get bumped from PSB-3.

But if another multiplex were to be converted to DVB-t2/MPEG-4 then
the possibility does arise.

Furthermore, I fail to see how all of the BBC regional news programs
will be in HD by April 2011, despite how much people will benefit from
watching the Peter Levy "Look Hull" Show in glorious high definition.

The BBC has told producers that all shows should be filmed in HD."


Filmed? I thought most shows were recorded on video tape.


Ivan[_2_] July 24th 10 09:06 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 

"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, July 24th, 2010 at 19:09:57h +0100, Ivan explained:

"The BBC has announced that by April 2011 all BBC channels will be
broadcast in HD."


Techwatch provide no source for this statement.

It should be possible for BBC-1,2,3,4 to go HD on satellite and cable,
but as you so rightly observe this will be rather difficult on terrestrial
unless ITV-1/stv/utv and SC4/C4 get bumped from PSB-3.

But if another multiplex were to be converted to DVB-t2/MPEG-4 then
the possibility does arise.

Furthermore, I fail to see how all of the BBC regional news programs
will be in HD by April 2011, despite how much people will benefit from
watching the Peter Levy "Look Hull" Show in glorious high definition.

The BBC has told producers that all shows should be filmed in HD."


Filmed? I thought most shows were recorded on video tape.


I did read somewhere that the plan is to gravitate to all a DVB-T2 by 2017,
this makes good sense to me, as I guess that within two or three years
chipsets will soon be at DVB-T price levels, which means that every STB and
TV sold should be equipped to receive the new standard.










David July 24th 10 09:19 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 

Maybe they will be like Film 4 HD and on Virgin Media ONLY.
Regards
David

Ivan[_2_] July 24th 10 09:32 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 

"David" wrote in message
...

Maybe they will be like Film 4 HD and on Virgin Media ONLY.


I agree and I have already suggested something similar in a previous reply
to Mark Carver in another thread.. "I also see that 'Film Four HD' has now
made an 'exclusive' appearance on the Virgin cable HD package, IMV a great
pity, as I think that it would have done wonders for the adoption of
Freeview HD if it had been launched on their HD package, instead of the
duplicated Channel Four HD."



The dog from that film you saw July 24th 10 09:32 PM

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"David" wrote in message
...

Maybe they will be like Film 4 HD and on Virgin Media ONLY.
Regards
David




the BBC couldn't do that - given that the viewers have already paid for the
product through the license fee.



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David July 24th 10 09:54 PM

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"The dog from that film you saw" wrote in
message ...


"David" wrote in message
...

Maybe they will be like Film 4 HD and on Virgin Media ONLY.
Regards
David




the BBC couldn't do that - given that the viewers have already paid for
the product through the license fee.



Well with new Government there might well be changes we must wait and see.

But with HD it looking as if one wants all of available HD one is going to
need 2 or 3 different boxes for differing plateforms.
Regards
David


pete July 24th 10 10:11 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:49:35 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller wrote:
On Saturday, July 24th, 2010 at 19:09:57h +0100, Ivan explained:

"The BBC has announced that by April 2011 all BBC channels will be
broadcast in HD."


Techwatch provide no source for this statement.

It should be possible for BBC-1,2,3,4 to go HD on satellite and cable,
but as you so rightly observe this will be rather difficult on terrestrial
unless ITV-1/stv/utv and SC4/C4 get bumped from PSB-3.

But if another multiplex were to be converted to DVB-t2/MPEG-4 then
the possibility does arise.

Furthermore, I fail to see how all of the BBC regional news programs
will be in HD by April 2011, despite how much people will benefit from
watching the Peter Levy "Look Hull" Show in glorious high definition.

The BBC has told producers that all shows should be filmed in HD."


Filmed? I thought most shows were recorded on video tape.

I thought the latest trend was to record straight to disk


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Scott July 24th 10 10:19 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:11:42 GMT, pete
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:49:35 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller wrote:
On Saturday, July 24th, 2010 at 19:09:57h +0100, Ivan explained:

"The BBC has announced that by April 2011 all BBC channels will be
broadcast in HD."


Techwatch provide no source for this statement.

It should be possible for BBC-1,2,3,4 to go HD on satellite and cable,
but as you so rightly observe this will be rather difficult on terrestrial
unless ITV-1/stv/utv and SC4/C4 get bumped from PSB-3.

But if another multiplex were to be converted to DVB-t2/MPEG-4 then
the possibility does arise.

Furthermore, I fail to see how all of the BBC regional news programs
will be in HD by April 2011, despite how much people will benefit from
watching the Peter Levy "Look Hull" Show in glorious high definition.

The BBC has told producers that all shows should be filmed in HD."


Filmed? I thought most shows were recorded on video tape.

I thought the latest trend was to record straight to disk


I think the term may be used loosely just as people still refer to
dialling phone numbers and direct dial number even though modern
phones don't have dials. I still refer to taping TV programmes even
though I don't use tape.

Ivan[_2_] July 24th 10 10:31 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 

"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, July 24th, 2010 at 19:09:57h +0100, Ivan explained:

"The BBC has announced that by April 2011 all BBC channels will be
broadcast in HD."


Techwatch provide no source for this statement.

It should be possible for BBC-1,2,3,4 to go HD on satellite and cable,
but as you so rightly observe this will be rather difficult on terrestrial
unless ITV-1/stv/utv and SC4/C4 get bumped from PSB-3.

But if another multiplex were to be converted to DVB-t2/MPEG-4 then
the possibility does arise.

Furthermore, I fail to see how all of the BBC regional news programs
will be in HD by April 2011, despite how much people will benefit from
watching the Peter Levy "Look Hull" Show in glorious high definition.

The BBC has told producers that all shows should be filmed in HD."


Filmed? I thought most shows were recorded on video tape.


The recent HD TV series Emma was filmed
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1366312/technical and IIRC according to a
regular subscriber to this newsgroup (Dave Plowman?) who works in the
industry, an increasing number of productions are being done using flash
memory.




J G Miller[_4_] July 24th 10 11:06 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 
On Saturday, July 24th, 2010 at 20:11:42h +0000, Pete wrote:

I thought the latest trend was to record straight to disk


Yes, I really should have written video recorded.

Brian Gaff July 25th 10 10:24 AM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 
That would cause a lot of bother with existing gear. I note with interest
that the much vaunted Goodmans Smart talk box for those who cannot see
well, is only sd capable.

I'm sure if you told someone their telly will not work on normal channels
in a few years, they would be livid!
Brian

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"Ivan" wrote in message
...

"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, July 24th, 2010 at 19:09:57h +0100, Ivan explained:

"The BBC has announced that by April 2011 all BBC channels will be
broadcast in HD."


Techwatch provide no source for this statement.

It should be possible for BBC-1,2,3,4 to go HD on satellite and cable,
but as you so rightly observe this will be rather difficult on
terrestrial
unless ITV-1/stv/utv and SC4/C4 get bumped from PSB-3.

But if another multiplex were to be converted to DVB-t2/MPEG-4 then
the possibility does arise.

Furthermore, I fail to see how all of the BBC regional news programs
will be in HD by April 2011, despite how much people will benefit from
watching the Peter Levy "Look Hull" Show in glorious high definition.

The BBC has told producers that all shows should be filmed in HD."


Filmed? I thought most shows were recorded on video tape.


I did read somewhere that the plan is to gravitate to all a DVB-T2 by
2017, this makes good sense to me, as I guess that within two or three
years chipsets will soon be at DVB-T price levels, which means that every
STB and TV sold should be equipped to receive the new standard.












Brian Gaff July 25th 10 10:28 AM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 
Why not bite the bullet and say terrestrial is dead and use sat. I'm sure
local problem areas could have very cheap little cabled up systems.

Then maybe the uhf spectrum could be used to make a new dab... hides behind
cactus.

Brian

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"David" wrote in message
...


"The dog from that film you saw" wrote
in message ...


"David" wrote in message
...

Maybe they will be like Film 4 HD and on Virgin Media ONLY.
Regards
David




the BBC couldn't do that - given that the viewers have already paid for
the product through the license fee.



Well with new Government there might well be changes we must wait and see.

But with HD it looking as if one wants all of available HD one is going to
need 2 or 3 different boxes for differing plateforms.
Regards
David




tony sayer July 25th 10 02:29 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 
In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus
Why not bite the bullet and say terrestrial is dead and use sat.


Nah!, can to that furrign power might jam it all!....

I'm sure
local problem areas could have very cheap little cabled up systems.

Then maybe the uhf spectrum could be used to make a new dab... hides behind
cactus.


Sharp thinking that;!..


Brian


--
Tony Sayer




Ivan[_2_] July 25th 10 04:37 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus
Why not bite the bullet and say terrestrial is dead and use sat.


Nah!, can to that furrign power might jam it all!....

I'm sure
local problem areas could have very cheap little cabled up systems.

Then maybe the uhf spectrum could be used to make a new dab... hides
behind
cactus.


Sharp thinking that;!..



Why not simply switch to the superior DVB-T2 standard, which can apparently
give anything from 30 to 50 per cent increase in capacity?


John[_33_] July 28th 10 09:48 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 
On 24 July, 19:09, "Ivan" wrote:
Perhaps I've missed it, but I don't remember seeing anything about this
elsewhere, if it's true, then where are they going to find all of the extra
capacity?

"The BBC has announced that by April 2011 all BBC channels will be broadcast
in HD.
This will mean that there will be an HD channel for each of the BBC's
current channels, allowing those viewers with the right equipment to view
their favourite shows without having to keep switching over to the BBC HD
channel.
The BBC has told producers that all shows should be filmed in HD."

http://www.techwatch.co.uk/2010/07/23/bbc-to-go-hd-in-2011/


I see no problem here! You are assuming that all of the BBC channels
will be broadcast ON ALL PLATFORMS in HD! It does not state that! It
states that the BBC channels that you listed will be broadcast in
HD...so if they are all broadcast overall using FreeSat or via Sky,
then the statement holds true, even if none is broadcast using DTT.

Clearly, unless there is some capacity released prior to analogue
switch-off, then I too fail to see where ALL of those channels would
be squeezed into DTT.

John

John[_33_] July 28th 10 09:51 PM

Shome Mishtake Surely?
 
On 24 July, 21:19, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:11:42 GMT, pete





wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:49:35 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller wrote:
On Saturday, July 24th, 2010 at 19:09:57h +0100, Ivan explained:


"The BBC has announced that by April 2011 all BBC channels will be
broadcast in HD."


Techwatch provide no source for this statement.


It should be possible for BBC-1,2,3,4 to go HD on satellite and cable,
but as you so rightly observe this will be rather difficult on terrestrial
unless ITV-1/stv/utv and SC4/C4 get bumped from PSB-3.


But if another multiplex were to be converted to DVB-t2/MPEG-4 then
the possibility does arise.


Furthermore, I fail to see how all of the BBC regional news programs
will be in HD by April 2011, despite how much people will benefit from
watching the Peter Levy "Look Hull" Show in glorious high definition.


The BBC has told producers that all shows should be filmed in HD."


Filmed? *I thought most shows were recorded on video tape.


I thought the latest trend was to record straight to disk


I think the term may be used loosely just as people still refer to
dialling phone numbers and direct dial number even though modern
phones don't have dials. *I still refer to taping TV programmes even
though I don't use tape. *- Hide quoted text -


Why not replace the word 'tape' by 'record'?

John


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