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Ste wrote:

Do not go back to XP. Go forward to Windows 7. Unlike Vista, Win 7 is
an unmitigated improvement over Windows XP.

The laptop might not have enough memory to run W7.

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On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 09:00:12 +0100, charles put finger to keyboard and
typed:

In article
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Ste wrote:

Do not go back to XP. Go forward to Windows 7. Unlike Vista, Win 7 is
an unmitigated improvement over Windows XP.

The laptop might not have enough memory to run W7.

If it will run Vista then it will run W7. In fact, if it will run XP, then
it will run W7. W7 is actually capable of running on a lower spec than
Vista, because it's been modularised much more effectively so that the
essentials are all that it requires in order to run. The high end stuff,
such as the Areo desktop (which is mostly just eye-candy anyway) won't run
on lower-spec machines, but in that case you get an OS which is visually
much the same as XP but a lot more secure and efficient underneath.

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Mark Goodge wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 09:00:12 +0100, charles put finger to keyboard and
typed:

In article
,
Ste wrote:

Do not go back to XP. Go forward to Windows 7. Unlike Vista, Win 7 is
an unmitigated improvement over Windows XP.

The laptop might not have enough memory to run W7.

If it will run Vista then it will run W7. In fact, if it will run XP, then
it will run W7.

Not sure about that. When W7 came out, I ran a piece of Windows software
which told me my desktop machine (using XP) was not suitable to upgrade
because of lack of memory. Totally irrelevant now, since that machine died
earlier this year and I now have a W7 desktop in its place.

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In article , Charles wrote:
Do not go back to XP. Go forward to Windows 7. Unlike Vista, Win 7 is
an unmitigated improvement over Windows XP.

The laptop might not have enough memory to run W7.

If it has enough memory to run Vista, it will have enough memory to run
Windows 7 faster. That's what I found when I upgraded mine.

And there's nothing to stop you adding more memory as well.

...or Ubuntu as a second system. You'll find that will run even faster.

Rod.
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In message , Paul
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On 03/07/2010 18:22, geoff wrote:
In message , Paul
writes
On 03/07/2010 01:01, geoff wrote:
In message , Cynic
writes
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:56:07 +0100, "John Turner"
wrote:

I then went to a small local independent computer shop, who sold me
the same
PC for a fair bit less money and installed a genuine copy of
Windows XP
without extra charge.

Sounds very much as if it might be a pirate copy of XP.

I thought that there was always the option to "downgrade"

I think that a vista key is good for XP too


Downgrading rarely works as half the hardware won't have a driver ;-(

What are you talking about ?

I'm saying that you can install XP in preference to Vista

Not if the new fandango laptop you just bought came with Vista on it,
and you hate Vista...

Try taking Vista off - ie reformat, and putting XP on it...no XP
drivers exist as the hardware was built AFTER XP ....why would they
write a driver for some old software.
Thats downgrading - trying to go back one OP system..

I know a few who have, and didn't experience any problems

Is your experience different ?

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On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:44:28 +0100, bugbear
wrote:

Andy wrote:
"james" wrote in message
...
so I'm a little out of touch with cost of new
cellphones but catching sight of the Amazon price tag of a
whisker under GBP400 froze my click finger quick as boiled
asparagus.

GBP400 for a cellphone?

Boy -- am I out of touch.
A bloke I went to school with is involved with Vertu phones.
Fancy a mobile for £23,000?

I assume vertu can strip the diamonds from an old one,
and re-bling a new one?

Given the rate of change in technology,
an "original" Vertu is a crap (but expensive)
phone by today's standards.

http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/07/t...ung-sph-e3200/

"The $54,000 diamond-crusted Samsung SPH-E3200"

I wonder what it's worth now?!


Mazumamobile would probably offer them £35 for it. :)

Fred X

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On 04/07/2010 15:30, geoff wrote:
In message , Paul
writes
On 03/07/2010 18:22, geoff wrote:
In message , Paul
writes
On 03/07/2010 01:01, geoff wrote:
In message , Cynic
writes
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:56:07 +0100, "John Turner"
wrote:

I then went to a small local independent computer shop, who sold me
the same
PC for a fair bit less money and installed a genuine copy of
Windows XP
without extra charge.

Sounds very much as if it might be a pirate copy of XP.

I thought that there was always the option to "downgrade"

I think that a vista key is good for XP too


Downgrading rarely works as half the hardware won't have a driver ;-(

What are you talking about ?

I'm saying that you can install XP in preference to Vista

Not if the new fandango laptop you just bought came with Vista on it,
and you hate Vista...

Try taking Vista off - ie reformat, and putting XP on it...no XP
drivers exist as the hardware was built AFTER XP ....why would they
write a driver for some old software.
Thats downgrading - trying to go back one OP system..

I know a few who have, and didn't experience any problems

Is your experience different ?

Yes Toshiba P200-100 didn't like one bit.

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On 4 July, 09:00, charles wrote:
In article
,
* *Ste wrote:



Do not go back to XP. Go forward to Windows 7. Unlike Vista, Win 7 is
an unmitigated improvement over Windows XP.

The laptop might not have enough memory to run W7.

My laptop, purchased in 2003 for a grand, has a 2.4Ghz single core
processor, 2gig memory (about £40 18 months ago, upgraded from the
original 512meg).

Incidentally, it also has a "Windows Experience score" (or whatever)
of 1, an internal 4200 ATA hard disk of 37gig (up from 27gig), an
external USB 500gig 7200 SATA hard disk, an external monitor of
1680x1050 (as well as running the integrated panel as an extended
desktop), and a DVD writer (up from the original CD writer), and I
find the performance quite satisfactory for most things (with the
exception of video conversion, which is best done overnight). Also,
most of my graphics settings are in "performance mode", which gives
all the same function but with the Windows 98 appearance (which I find
better anyway). And, with the exception of the sound card, Windows 7
runs without any 3rd party drivers, which is probably another reason
for improved performance, now I'm shut of the associated bloatware.

And if my laptop can run Windows 7 as well as XP SP3, then any "new"
laptop ought to be able to.

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On 4 July, 11:00, Roderick Stewart
wrote:
In article , Charles wrote:
Do not go back to XP. Go forward to Windows 7. Unlike Vista, Win 7 is
an unmitigated improvement over Windows XP.

The laptop might not have enough memory to run W7.

If it has enough memory to run Vista, it will have enough memory to run
Windows 7 faster. That's what I found when I upgraded mine.

And there's nothing to stop you adding more memory as well.

..or Ubuntu as a second system. You'll find that will run even faster.

There is nothing about a Linux system that is faster than Windows.

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In article , geoff wrote:

Try taking Vista off - ie reformat, and putting XP on it...no XP
drivers exist as the hardware was built AFTER XP ....why would they
write a driver for some old software.
Thats downgrading - trying to go back one OP system..

I know a few who have, and didn't experience any problems

Is your experience different ?

Yep, on several machines.

A couple of Tosh machines have no drivers available, and a sony. Also, some
of the latest netbooks (less of an issue, as they ship with win 7).


It seems the more corporate machines are more likely to have XP drivers (no
surprise - many suppliers still offered XP as an option until recently).


This is just basic stuff like network drivers or USB drivers. Once you start
heading into the shock protection stuff or the battery monitoring it gets
even harder. Can end up with half the battery life on XP :-/

Darren