International channel changes on Astra 1M at 19E (OT)
 

Transponder 11568 V (tp24) on Astra 1M at 19E is being cleared for new
HD services by CanalSat.

An number of International channels, often with interesting content, are
affected:

Canal Algerie, TV5 Monde FBS, Al Masriyah, RAI UNO (Italy),
RTP International Europa (Portugal), Tunisie 7, ARTE Francais,
TVE International Europe (Spain), TRT Turk, 2M Monde (Morocco).

Some of these channels have been displaying a banner stating the service
will end on 30 June, but some reports say this applies to all channels on
that transponder whether they have the banner or not. I'm not so sure
however, as there has been no pre publicity of changes to ARTE Francais.

The affected channels are either moving to new transponders or are available
on Hotbird.

http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2010/...o-leave-astra/

We will find out by tomorrow.

More is the pity they did not choose to clear one of the Astra 1
transponders
carrying some of the numerous junk channels.

There are left two Astra 1M transponders carrying a range of FTA
International channels, but perhaps this move is a sign (if any were needed)
of the move away from FTA platforms to regionalised encrypted packages that
include HD channels. Is it only a matter of time before ARTE and the BBC
become encrypted with free viewing cards to taxpayers in the same way as
Italy (RAI and Berlusconi's Mediaset) are pushing FTA audiences to the tivu
encrypted package ?

Roger R

International channel changes on Astra 1M at 19E (OT)
 

"Roger R" wrote:

Transponder 11568 V (tp24) on Astra 1M at 19E is being cleared for new
HD services by CanalSat.

An number of International channels, often with interesting content, are
affected:

Canal Algerie, TV5 Monde FBS, Al Masriyah, RAI UNO (Italy),
RTP International Europa (Portugal), Tunisie 7, ARTE Francais,
TVE International Europe (Spain), TRT Turk, 2M Monde (Morocco).

TV5 Monde FBS is already running on Astra 19E 11479 V - which is nice to
know since it carries one of my favourite programmes, Tout le monde veut
prendre sa place - which is just about to start as I type :)

International channel changes on Astra 1M at 19E (OT)
 

At 18:28:59 Wed, 30 Jun 2010, John Legon wrote
"Roger R" wrote:

Transponder 11568 V (tp24) on Astra 1M at 19E is being cleared for new
HD services by CanalSat.

An number of International channels, often with interesting content, are
affected:

Canal Algerie, TV5 Monde FBS, Al Masriyah, RAI UNO (Italy),
RTP International Europa (Portugal), Tunisie 7, ARTE Francais,
TVE International Europe (Spain), TRT Turk, 2M Monde (Morocco).

TV5 Monde FBS is already running on Astra 19E 11479 V - which is nice to
know since it carries one of my favourite programmes, Tout le monde veut
prendre sa place - which is just about to start as I type :)

ARTE also survives on 11934 V. Not sure about the others, although most
can be found on Hotbird.

The only FTA channel now being broadcast on Astra 19E 11568 V is the
Canal+ HD 3D demo. I've just been watching the French version of
Spitting Image in 3D. Nice.

--
John L

International channel changes on Astra 1M at 19E (OT)
 

"John Legon" wrote in message
...
At 18:28:59 Wed, 30 Jun 2010, John Legon wrote
"Roger R" wrote:

Transponder 11568 V (tp24) on Astra 1M at 19E is being cleared for new
HD services by CanalSat.

An number of International channels, often with interesting content, are
affected:

Canal Algerie, TV5 Monde FBS, Al Masriyah, RAI UNO (Italy),
RTP International Europa (Portugal), Tunisie 7, ARTE Francais,
TVE International Europe (Spain), TRT Turk, 2M Monde (Morocco).

TV5 Monde FBS is already running on Astra 19E 11479 V - which is nice to
know since it carries one of my favourite programmes, Tout le monde veut
prendre sa place - which is just about to start as I type :)

ARTE also survives on 11934 V. Not sure about the others, although most
can be found on Hotbird.

The only FTA channel now being broadcast on Astra 19E 11568 V is the
Canal+ HD 3D demo. I've just been watching the French version of
Spitting Image in 3D. Nice.

As you say, this morning they are all gone, so the reports were correct.
The scrolling announcement banner was clearly an option.

Thanks for the note of ARTE on 11934 V as that was not on my list. I take
it this is the French version to replace the 11568 V, but can't tell this
morning as both the French and German versions are in sync at the moment.

ATRE have this [now outdated] 2010 pdf chart of ARTE transmissions
frequencies:
[Click the link of the highlighted words 'liste satellites' in chapter 'ARTE
by satellite' on this page]:
http://www.arte.tv/fr/Informations-t...s/2196954.html


With regard to RAI Uno, the latest cutback in funding appears to have left
Astra viewers abandoned, while at home, it is giving FTA viewers on
terrestrial and Hotbird a hard time.

International channel changes on Astra 1M at 19E (OT)
 

"Roger R" wrote

Thanks for the note of ARTE on 11934 V as that was not on my list. I take
it this is the French version to replace the 11568 V, but can't tell this
morning as both the French and German versions are in sync at the
moment.

Yes, it's the French version. You can tell by the service names:

French - ARTE

German - Arte

It's as simple as that.

International channel changes on Astra 1M at 19E (OT)
 

"John Legon" wrote in message
o.uk...
"Roger R" wrote

Thanks for the note of ARTE on 11934 V as that was not on my list. I
take
it this is the French version to replace the 11568 V, but can't tell this
morning as both the French and German versions are in sync at the
moment.

Yes, it's the French version. You can tell by the service names:

French - ARTE

German - Arte

It's as simple as that.

OK.

What do you make of the channel at 10744 H that comes up as Test-R ?

Now and Next information is ' Dynamische Programmunschalt' - some kind of
dynamic program selection, but how or what ?
Each time I select that channel I get either arte or Phoenix apparently at
random.

Phoenix @ 10744 Video Pid 501
arte @ 10744 Video PId 401
Test-R @ 10744 Video Pid listed as 401 or 501 dependente on
arte or Phoenix showing.

International channel changes on Astra 1M at 19E (OT)
 

Roger R wrote in article
:

What do you make of the channel at 10744 H that comes up as Test-R ?

Now and Next information is ' Dynamische Programmunschalt' - some kind of
dynamic program selection, but how or what ?
Each time I select that channel I get either arte or Phoenix apparently at
random.

I haven't looked at this channel recently but do recall that it seemed
to be showing either Phoenix or arte.


Phoenix @ 10744 Video Pid 501
arte @ 10744 Video PId 401
Test-R @ 10744 Video Pid listed as 401 or 501 dependente on
arte or Phoenix showing.

I think it's a test of the programme mapping table which (in theory)
can be used to dynamically change the PIDs that a service is using.
If a receiver continuously monitors the PMT for changes, then it will
automatically switch (in the present case) between arte and Phoenix at
the appropriate time. But if a receiver only consults the PMT when it
first tunes to a channel, then it will continue to use the PIDs (for
either arte or Phoenix) regardless of subsequent changes in the PMT.

--
John Legon

International channel changes on Astra 1M at 19E (OT)
 

"John Legon" wrote in message
...
Roger R wrote in article
:

What do you make of the channel at 10744 H that comes up as Test-R ?

Now and Next information is ' Dynamische Programmunschalt' - some kind of
dynamic program selection, but how or what ?
Each time I select that channel I get either arte or Phoenix apparently at
random.

I haven't looked at this channel recently but do recall that it seemed
to be showing either Phoenix or arte.


Phoenix @ 10744 Video Pid 501
arte @ 10744 Video PId 401
Test-R @ 10744 Video Pid listed as 401 or 501 dependente on
arte or Phoenix showing.

I think it's a test of the programme mapping table which (in theory)
can be used to dynamically change the PIDs that a service is using.
If a receiver continuously monitors the PMT for changes, then it will
automatically switch (in the present case) between arte and Phoenix at
the appropriate time. But if a receiver only consults the PMT when it
first tunes to a channel, then it will continue to use the PIDs (for
either arte or Phoenix) regardless of subsequent changes in the PMT.


In that case my Comag SL65 is constantly monitoring the PMT because it
switches the displayed channel intermittently when left unattended on Test-R

I'll check out my other receivers to see if they also change the
displayed channel at the remote command.

International channel changes on Astra 1M at 19E (OT)
 

"Roger R" wrote in message
...

"John Legon" wrote
Roger R wrote
What do you make of the channel at 10744 H that comes up as Test-R ?

Now and Next information is ' Dynamische Programmunschalt' - some kind
of
dynamic program selection, but how or what ?
Each time I select that channel I get either arte or Phoenix apparently
at
random.

Phoenix @ 10744 Video Pid 501
arte @ 10744 Video PId 401
Test-R @ 10744 Video Pid listed as 401 or 501 dependente on
arte or Phoenix showing.

I think it's a test of the programme mapping table which (in theory)
can be used to dynamically change the PIDs that a service is using.
If a receiver continuously monitors the PMT for changes, then it will
automatically switch (in the present case) between arte and Phoenix at
the appropriate time. But if a receiver only consults the PMT when it
first tunes to a channel, then it will continue to use the PIDs (for
either arte or Phoenix) regardless of subsequent changes in the PMT.


In that case my Comag SL65 is constantly monitoring the PMT because it
switches the displayed channel intermittently when left unattended on
Test-R

I'll check out my other receivers to see if they also change the
displayed channel at the remote command.

I've just checked my two FTA boxes and they both make the switch at
intervals of one minute. Presumably they must respond to PMT changes to be
DVB-S compliant, but there may be boxes that don't, and manufacturers can
obviously use Test-R for receiver testing.

International channel changes on Astra 1M at 19E (OT)
 

"John Legon" wrote in message
o.uk...

"Roger R" wrote in message
...

"John Legon" wrote
Roger R wrote
What do you make of the channel at 10744 H that comes up as Test-R ?

Now and Next information is ' Dynamische Programmunschalt' - some kind
of
dynamic program selection, but how or what ?
Each time I select that channel I get either arte or Phoenix apparently
at
random.

Phoenix @ 10744 Video Pid 501
arte @ 10744 Video PId 401
Test-R @ 10744 Video Pid listed as 401 or 501 dependente
on
arte or Phoenix showing.

I think it's a test of the programme mapping table which (in theory)
can be used to dynamically change the PIDs that a service is using.
If a receiver continuously monitors the PMT for changes, then it will
automatically switch (in the present case) between arte and Phoenix at
the appropriate time. But if a receiver only consults the PMT when it
first tunes to a channel, then it will continue to use the PIDs (for
either arte or Phoenix) regardless of subsequent changes in the PMT.


In that case my Comag SL65 is constantly monitoring the PMT because it
switches the displayed channel intermittently when left unattended on
Test-R

I'll check out my other receivers to see if they also change the
displayed channel at the remote command.

I've just checked my two FTA boxes and they both make the switch at
intervals of one minute. Presumably they must respond to PMT changes to
be
DVB-S compliant, but there may be boxes that don't, and manufacturers can
obviously use Test-R for receiver testing.


I checked these receivers:
Panasonic Freesat HD TV
Humax Foxsat-HD
Silvercrest Comag SL65 - model with Ali E1 chip (later model)
Silvercrest Comag SL65 - model with STi 5518 chip (earlier model)

With the following results:
The Panasonic and the later SL65 changed in synchronism, and I conclude
these
were responding immediately to changes of the transmitted PID's.

With respect to the immediate changes on the above receivers:
The Humax changes immediately from arte to Phoenix, but delays changing
back from Phoenix to arte by around 10 seconds. Checked last evening and
again this morning.

An earlier model SL65 delayed the change in each direction by about 15
seconds with up to + or - 5 sec variability.

It would appear from these results that the Humax Foxsat-HD still has some
way to go shape up to this test, with the proviso that I have tried this
with only one box. On the basis of the switching delay is it possible to
claim the box is not DVB-S compliant ?