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Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
(Pursuit of truth. Trying to decide whether or not to splash out on
an HD STB - e.g. Humax Foxsat.) I've seen comments that the benefit of HD only emerges with TV's larger than 32". So the question is: When the Sony 32" receives a Freeview SD signal, would the upscaling it does on that signal produce a picture noticeably superior to an un-upscaled Freeview SD signal? (Same question w.r.t. input from a pre-blu-ray DVD player.) If a Freesat/Freeview HD STB is connected to the Bravia, and the box can also do upscaling of Freeview/Freesat SD signals, should either the TV's upscaling or the STB's upscaling be turned off? (Same question w.r.t. to connection of a blu-ray DVD player.) -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
On Sun, 09 May 2010 12:54:27 +0100, Maurice Batey
wrote: (Pursuit of truth. Trying to decide whether or not to splash out on an HD STB - e.g. Humax Foxsat.) I've seen comments that the benefit of HD only emerges with TV's larger than 32". That depends on your viewing distance. I have a 24" HD TV in my bedroom. It is close enough to me for me to see the difference between SD and HD, and to get the benefit of the difference. So the question is: When the Sony 32" receives a Freeview SD signal, would the upscaling it does on that signal produce a picture noticeably superior to an un-upscaled Freeview SD signal? (Same question w.r.t. input from a pre-blu-ray DVD player.) If a Freesat/Freeview HD STB is connected to the Bravia, and the box can also do upscaling of Freeview/Freesat SD signals, should either the TV's upscaling or the STB's upscaling be turned off? (Same question w.r.t. to connection of a blu-ray DVD player.) -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
Maurice Batey wrote:
(Pursuit of truth. Trying to decide whether or not to splash out on an HD STB - e.g. Humax Foxsat.) I've seen comments that the benefit of HD only emerges with TV's larger than 32". So the question is: When the Sony 32" receives a Freeview SD signal, would the upscaling it does on that signal produce a picture noticeably superior to an un-upscaled Freeview SD signal? (Same question w.r.t. input from a pre-blu-ray DVD player.) If a Freesat/Freeview HD STB is connected to the Bravia, and the box can also do upscaling of Freeview/Freesat SD signals, should either the TV's upscaling or the STB's upscaling be turned off? (Same question w.r.t. to connection of a blu-ray DVD player.) You can't get 'something for nothing' in any case. The TV's native resolution is 1080 x 1920, so you must upscale an SD image (that is 576 x 720 or less in some cases) to display it properly on the screen, otherwise it will appear as a postage stamp in the middle. The TV will upscale anything that is applied to its Scart or analogue video inputs. Whether that will result in better quality than the STB or DVD player upscaling to 1080 x 1920 itself, and applying via the HDMI interface, is entirely dependant upon the difference in quality between the the upscaller in the TV and the external device. I've got a 40W5500, I'd say that the TV's internal upscaller is better than the one in my Humax Freesat STB, but it's pretty marginal stuff. IMHO, IME, YMMV. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
On Sun, 09 May 2010 12:54:27 +0100, Maurice Batey
wrote: (Pursuit of truth. Trying to decide whether or not to splash out on an HD STB - e.g. Humax Foxsat.) I've seen comments that the benefit of HD only emerges with TV's larger than 32". So the question is: When the Sony 32" receives a Freeview SD signal, would the upscaling it does on that signal produce a picture noticeably superior to an un-upscaled Freeview SD signal? (Same question w.r.t. input from a pre-blu-ray DVD player.) If a Freesat/Freeview HD STB is connected to the Bravia, and the box can also do upscaling of Freeview/Freesat SD signals, should either the TV's upscaling or the STB's upscaling be turned off? (Same question w.r.t. to connection of a blu-ray DVD player.) I've got this telly and I have to admit that the picture quality from my Topfield PVR is very definitely improved by the upscaling. |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
A.N.Other wrote:
I've got this telly and I have to admit that the picture quality from my Topfield PVR is very definitely improved by the upscaling. Can you explain how you came to that conclusion ? How did you manage to display a non-upscaled image from the Toppy on the TV ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... A.N.Other wrote: I've got this telly and I have to admit that the picture quality from my Topfield PVR is very definitely improved by the upscaling. Can you explain how you came to that conclusion ? How did you manage to display a non-upscaled image from the Toppy on the TV ? can you not tell it to output at native resolution? - you can with sky boxes. -- Gareth. that fly...... is your magic wand.... http://dsbdsb.mybrute.com you fight better when you have a bear! |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
The dog from that film you saw wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... A.N.Other wrote: I've got this telly and I have to admit that the picture quality from my Topfield PVR is very definitely improved by the upscaling. Can you explain how you came to that conclusion ? How did you manage to display a non-upscaled image from the Toppy on the TV ? can you not tell it to output at native resolution? - you can with sky boxes. Mine only has SD analogue output, though I notice Googling that the 5810 has an upscaler and HDMI output. I presume this is the model being referred to, in which case the original statement that I questioned makes sense ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
On Sun, 09 May 2010 13:13:49 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:
The TV will upscale anything that is applied to its Scart or analogue video inputs. Presumably also the output from its builtin Freeview SD tuner? Upscaling *not* applied to HDMI input (e.g. from STB or blu-ray)? Whether that will result in better quality than the STB or DVD player upscaling to 1080 x 1920 itself, and applying via the HDMI interface, is entirely dependant upon the difference in quality between the the upscaller in the TV and the external device. Fair enough! I've got a 40W5500, I'd say that the TV's internal upscaller is better than the one in my Humax Freesat STB, but it's pretty marginal stuff. IMHO, IME, YMMV. Thanks for that. -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
On Sun, 09 May 2010 13:11:34 +0100, Peter Duncanson wrote:
I have a 24" HD TV in my bedroom. It is close enough to me for me to see the difference between SD and HD, and to get the benefit of the difference. Duly noted; thanks, Peter. -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
Maurice Batey wrote:
(Pursuit of truth. Trying to decide whether or not to splash out on an HD STB - e.g. Humax Foxsat.) I've seen comments that the benefit of HD only emerges with TV's larger than 32". I have a 32" 720p set (Panasonic) with integral Freeview tuner. I also have a Humax Foxsat HD STB connected to it. To my eyes at a viewing distance of approx 8 feet, the BBC and ITV HD broadcasts are definitely much sharper and more detailed than in SD Freeview. -- John Aldred |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
Maurice Batey wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2010 13:13:49 +0100, Mark Carver wrote: The TV will upscale anything that is applied to its Scart or analogue video inputs. Presumably also the output from its builtin Freeview SD tuner? Correct Upscaling *not* applied to HDMI input (e.g. from STB or blu-ray)? Not if that HDMI input is running at 1080 x 1920, but it will at 720 x 1280. Also the TV must be set to 1:1 pixel match, its factory default is slight overscan. Menu Screen Display Area Full Pixel -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
Maurice Batey wrote:
(Pursuit of truth. Trying to decide whether or not to splash out on an HD STB - e.g. Humax Foxsat.) I've seen comments that the benefit of HD only emerges with TV's larger than 32". So the question is: When the Sony 32" receives a Freeview SD signal, would the upscaling it does on that signal produce a picture noticeably superior to an un-upscaled Freeview SD signal? (Same question w.r.t. input from a pre-blu-ray DVD player.) If a Freesat/Freeview HD STB is connected to the Bravia, and the box can also do upscaling of Freeview/Freesat SD signals, should either the TV's upscaling or the STB's upscaling be turned off? (Same question w.r.t. to connection of a blu-ray DVD player.) WE have Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV and a Sony Ble Ray player. Our cable company makes signals available in analogue SD and HD. The HD image is noticeably better than the SD image and the SD image is subatantially better than the analaogue image. An upscaled DVD image ia better than the same DVD played with anold Phillips DVD palyer and a 1987 Sony CRT TV. Whether you can perceive the difference bewteen SD and HD depends on the distance between the viewer and the TV. We sit 2-3 metres from the TV. |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
Brian G wrote:
So what I wonder is the problem with different ways of making the picture fit the space. Presumably if the processing was fast enough some kind of tweening of edges that otherwise would be jaged could be done, and presumably, some sort of way to make movement look more smooth would also result. You can download the manual for this TV.There is an explanation of how the TV handles an image to make it fit the screen. |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
On 9 May, 23:33, John Aldred wrote:
Maurice Batey wrote: .. To my eyes at a viewing distance of approx 8 feet, the BBC and ITV HD broadcasts are definitely much sharper and more detailed than in SD Freeview. Without wishing to sound sarcastic my reply to that is "I should bloody well hope so!" given the investment by the broadcasters in HD equipment and the swallowing up of 5 times the bandwidth. -- John Aldred |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
MartinR wrote:
On 9 May, 23:33, John Aldred wrote: Maurice Batey wrote: . To my eyes at a viewing distance of approx 8 feet, the BBC and ITV HD broadcasts are definitely much sharper and more detailed than in SD Freeview. Without wishing to sound sarcastic my reply to that is "I should bloody well hope so!" given the investment by the broadcasters in HD equipment and the swallowing up of 5 times the bandwidth. True; but I think the OP was, in part, asking if he would see any benefit from HD on a 32" screen. However, in my opinion, it is the poor quality of the SD broadcasts that make HD look good, even at a relatively small screen size. -- John Aldred |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:56:47 +0200, Martin wrote:
You can download the manual for this TV I have done that, but am puzzled that - although my Bravia KDL32W5500U (notice the 'U' on the end) provides Freeview - the downloadable manuals all refer to 'Freesat'. In fact I could find no entry for that model (with the 'U' at the end) in the dropdown list at the Sony site. Anyone know if the manuals are the correct ones - apart from the Freeview/Freesat mismatch? -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
Maurice Batey wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:56:47 +0200, Martin wrote: You can download the manual for this TV I have done that, but am puzzled that - although my Bravia KDL32W5500U (notice the 'U' on the end) provides Freeview - the downloadable manuals all refer to 'Freesat'. In fact I could find no entry for that model (with the 'U' at the end) in the dropdown list at the Sony site. Anyone know if the manuals are the correct ones - apart from the Freeview/Freesat mismatch? Correct manual is linked he- http://support.sony-europe.com/tvhc/...&m=KDL-32W5500 Actual PDF download link:- http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/4136111141.pdf The manual is also hard coded into the TV's menu, HOME Settings Scroll up to 'Instruction Manual -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
On Mon, 10 May 2010 18:58:53 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:
Correct manual is linked he- http://support.sony-europe.com/tvhc/...e=odw_en_GB&m= KDL-32W5500 There are 3 manuals there, of different size, but they mention only Freesat. Actual PDF download link:- http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/4136111141.pdf This one does mention Freeview - once. Thanks! -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
"John Aldred" wrote in message ... MartinR wrote: On 9 May, 23:33, John Aldred wrote: Maurice Batey wrote: . To my eyes at a viewing distance of approx 8 feet, the BBC and ITV HD broadcasts are definitely much sharper and more detailed than in SD Freeview. Without wishing to sound sarcastic my reply to that is "I should bloody well hope so!" given the investment by the broadcasters in HD equipment and the swallowing up of 5 times the bandwidth. True; but I think the OP was, in part, asking if he would see any benefit from HD on a 32" screen. However, in my opinion, it is the poor quality of the SD broadcasts that make HD look good, even at a relatively small screen size. -- John Aldred You may be correct as to the cause but as we have no other option for broadcast TV. the improvement is worth having. and a 24" looks good in HD. Gary |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
On Sun, 09 May 2010 12:54:27 +0100, I wrote:
When the Sony 32" receives a Freeview SD signal, Does its builtin Freeview receiver also deliver *HD* Freeview? Somewhere I saw a mention of "DVB-T" but not "DVB-T2". (Or does "DVB-T" mean "DVB-T1 & T2" here?) -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
Maurice Batey wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2010 12:54:27 +0100, I wrote: When the Sony 32" receives a Freeview SD signal, Does its builtin Freeview receiver also deliver *HD* Freeview? Somewhere I saw a mention of "DVB-T" but not "DVB-T2". (Or does "DVB-T" mean "DVB-T1 & T2" here?) The model in question, the W5500 can only receive SD Freeview, it only has a DVB-T tuner, you need DVB-T2 to receive UK Freeview HD channels. None of the xx5500 range supports DVB-T2. You need one of the current range, EX403 or above (503,703 etc) and 32 inch or above for T2. http://www.sony.co.uk/compare/tv-projector/ (Be careful, I don't think the 26 and 22 inch sets at the bottom of that page do support T2, despite the search filter letting them through ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
On Thu, 13 May 2010 07:24:18 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:
You need one of the current range, EX403 or above (503,703 etc) and 32 inch or above for T2. Jeez, at those prices I would still go with the xx5500 range and add e.g. a Humax Foxsat HDR PVR to get HD Freesat. (Flat is already equipped with twin satellite feeds.) -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
Maurice Batey wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2010 07:24:18 +0100, Mark Carver wrote: You need one of the current range, EX403 or above (503,703 etc) and 32 inch or above for T2. Jeez, at those prices I would still go with the xx5500 range and add e.g. a Humax Foxsat HDR PVR to get HD Freesat. (Flat is already equipped with twin satellite feeds.) You could get a 5810 that has HD Freesat built in ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
On Thu, 13 May 2010 18:02:18 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:
You could get a 5810 that has HD Freesat built in Can see no reference there to *twin* Freesat receivers (so can 'watch one and record another'), nor to 'HD' Freesat. -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
Maurice Batey wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2010 18:02:18 +0100, Mark Carver wrote: You could get a 5810 that has HD Freesat built in Can see no reference there to *twin* Freesat receivers (so can 'watch one and record another'), nor to 'HD' Freesat. No, it's only got a single tuner. It does receive HD Freesat broadcasts however. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
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