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John Aldred May 10th 10 12:33 AM

Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
 
Maurice Batey wrote:

(Pursuit of truth. Trying to decide whether or not to splash out on
an HD STB - e.g. Humax Foxsat.)

I've seen comments that the benefit of HD only emerges with
TV's larger than 32".


I have a 32" 720p set (Panasonic) with integral Freeview tuner.
I also have a Humax Foxsat HD STB connected to it.
To my eyes at a viewing distance of approx 8 feet, the BBC and ITV HD
broadcasts are definitely much sharper and more detailed than in SD
Freeview.

--
John Aldred


Mark Carver May 10th 10 08:28 AM

Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
 
Maurice Batey wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2010 13:13:49 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

The TV will upscale anything that is applied to its Scart or analogue video
inputs.


Presumably also the output from its builtin Freeview SD tuner?


Correct

Upscaling *not* applied to HDMI input (e.g. from STB or blu-ray)?


Not if that HDMI input is running at 1080 x 1920, but it will at 720 x 1280.
Also the TV must be set to 1:1 pixel match, its factory default is slight
overscan.

Menu Screen Display Area Full Pixel


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Mark
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Martin[_9_] May 10th 10 09:54 AM

Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
 
Maurice Batey wrote:
(Pursuit of truth. Trying to decide whether or not to splash out on
an HD STB - e.g. Humax Foxsat.)

I've seen comments that the benefit of HD only emerges with
TV's larger than 32".

So the question is:
When the Sony 32" receives a Freeview SD signal,
would the upscaling it does on that signal produce a picture
noticeably superior to an un-upscaled Freeview SD signal?
(Same question w.r.t. input from a pre-blu-ray DVD player.)

If a Freesat/Freeview HD STB is connected to the Bravia, and
the box can also do upscaling of Freeview/Freesat SD signals,
should either the TV's upscaling or the STB's upscaling be turned off?
(Same question w.r.t. to connection of a blu-ray DVD player.)


WE have Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV and a Sony Ble Ray player.
Our cable company makes signals available in analogue SD and HD.
The HD image is noticeably better than the SD image and the SD image is
subatantially better than the analaogue image. An upscaled DVD image ia
better than the same DVD played with anold Phillips DVD palyer and a
1987 Sony CRT TV.

Whether you can perceive the difference bewteen SD and HD depends on the
distance between the viewer and the TV. We sit 2-3 metres from the TV.

Martin[_9_] May 10th 10 09:56 AM

Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
 
Brian G wrote:
So what I wonder is the problem with different ways of making the picture
fit the space.

Presumably if the processing was fast enough some kind of tweening of edges
that otherwise would be jaged could be done, and presumably, some sort of
way to make movement look more smooth would also result.


You can download the manual for this TV.There is an explanation of how
the TV handles an image to make it fit the screen.

MartinR May 10th 10 02:46 PM

Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
 
On 9 May, 23:33, John Aldred wrote:
Maurice Batey wrote:

..
To my eyes at a viewing distance of approx 8 feet, the BBC and ITV HD
broadcasts are definitely much sharper and more detailed than in SD
Freeview.



Without wishing to sound sarcastic my reply to that is "I should
bloody well hope so!" given the investment by the broadcasters in HD
equipment and the swallowing up of 5 times the bandwidth.





--
John Aldred



John Aldred May 10th 10 03:55 PM

Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
 
MartinR wrote:

On 9 May, 23:33, John Aldred wrote:
Maurice Batey wrote:

.
To my eyes at a viewing distance of approx 8 feet, the BBC and ITV HD
broadcasts are definitely much sharper and more detailed than in SD
Freeview.



Without wishing to sound sarcastic my reply to that is "I should
bloody well hope so!" given the investment by the broadcasters in HD
equipment and the swallowing up of 5 times the bandwidth.


True; but I think the OP was, in part, asking if he would see any benefit
from HD on a 32" screen. However, in my opinion, it is the poor quality of
the SD broadcasts that make HD look good, even at a relatively small screen
size.

--
John Aldred


Maurice Batey[_2_] May 10th 10 07:46 PM

Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
 
On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:56:47 +0200, Martin wrote:

You can download the manual for this TV


I have done that, but am puzzled that - although my Bravia
KDL32W5500U (notice the 'U' on the end) provides Freeview -
the downloadable manuals all refer to 'Freesat'.
In fact I could find no entry for that model (with the 'U' at the
end) in the dropdown list at the Sony site.

Anyone know if the manuals are the correct ones - apart from the
Freeview/Freesat mismatch?
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/\/\aurice
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Mark Carver May 10th 10 07:58 PM

Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
 
Maurice Batey wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:56:47 +0200, Martin wrote:

You can download the manual for this TV


I have done that, but am puzzled that - although my Bravia
KDL32W5500U (notice the 'U' on the end) provides Freeview -
the downloadable manuals all refer to 'Freesat'.
In fact I could find no entry for that model (with the 'U' at the
end) in the dropdown list at the Sony site.

Anyone know if the manuals are the correct ones - apart from the
Freeview/Freesat mismatch?


Correct manual is linked he-

http://support.sony-europe.com/tvhc/...&m=KDL-32W5500

Actual PDF download link:-

http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/4136111141.pdf

The manual is also hard coded into the TV's menu,

HOME Settings Scroll up to 'Instruction Manual

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

Maurice Batey[_2_] May 10th 10 11:56 PM

Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
 
On Mon, 10 May 2010 18:58:53 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

Correct manual is linked he-



http://support.sony-europe.com/tvhc/...e=odw_en_GB&m=
KDL-32W5500

There are 3 manuals there, of different size, but they mention only
Freesat.

Actual PDF download link:-

http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/4136111141.pdf


This one does mention Freeview - once. Thanks!

--
/\/\aurice
(Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)


Gary May 11th 10 12:09 PM

Sony Bravia KDL32W5500U 32" LCD TV: Upscaling
 

"John Aldred" wrote in message
...
MartinR wrote:

On 9 May, 23:33, John Aldred wrote:
Maurice Batey wrote:

.
To my eyes at a viewing distance of approx 8 feet, the BBC and ITV HD
broadcasts are definitely much sharper and more detailed than in SD
Freeview.



Without wishing to sound sarcastic my reply to that is "I should
bloody well hope so!" given the investment by the broadcasters in HD
equipment and the swallowing up of 5 times the bandwidth.


True; but I think the OP was, in part, asking if he would see any benefit
from HD on a 32" screen. However, in my opinion, it is the poor quality
of
the SD broadcasts that make HD look good, even at a relatively small
screen
size.

--
John Aldred


You may be correct as to the cause but as we have no other option for
broadcast TV. the improvement is worth having.

and a 24" looks good in HD.

Gary




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