Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
--
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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Ian Jackson wrote:
Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00rkg9g


Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.


Absolutely. And he lied at least once, when he said that "the trend" shows
that digital listening will reach the threshold required in 2013 to allow
switchover to take place in 2015. The trend in digital listening doesn't
even point to FM stations being switched off in 2020, let alone 2015.


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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

In article , DAB sounds worse than FM
scribeth thus
Ian Jackson wrote:
Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00rkg9g


Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.


Absolutely. And he lied at least once, when he said that "the trend" shows
that digital listening will reach the threshold required in 2013 to allow
switchover to take place in 2015. The trend in digital listening doesn't
even point to FM stations being switched off in 2020, let alone 2015.



******** and yet more ********.. Why are they pushing this like its not
going out of fashion?..

Small instance .. two of our neighbours have just acquired new cars.
A Merc and a Lexus neither have DAB fitted. So in a few years time to
listen to the radio on the move they will have to have some stupid tacky
adapter hanging on the dash?.....

Daft absolutely daft squared!...
--
Tony Sayer

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Ian Jackson wrote:
Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.

You mean like the guy who said "the quality is 10 times better"....

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

tony sayer wrote:
In article , DAB sounds worse than FM
scribeth thus
Ian Jackson wrote:
Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00rkg9g


Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.

Absolutely. And he lied at least once, when he said that "the trend" shows
that digital listening will reach the threshold required in 2013 to allow
switchover to take place in 2015. The trend in digital listening doesn't
even point to FM stations being switched off in 2020, let alone 2015.



******** and yet more ********.. Why are they pushing this like its not
going out of fashion?..

Small instance .. two of our neighbours have just acquired new cars.
A Merc and a Lexus neither have DAB fitted. So in a few years time to
listen to the radio on the move they will have to have some stupid tacky
adapter hanging on the dash?.....

Daft absolutely daft squared!...

They'd need to change the aerial, and either add an extra box, or change
the stereo.

I've fitted only ONE DAB car stereo so far, and dozens of FM ones in the
last few years.

Also, taxi drivers still don't seem to notice FM exists - they only seem
to listen to MW.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

On 22/03/2010 21:33, Yeti wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.

You mean like the guy who said "the quality is 10 times better"....

....as he turned up his hearing aid.

--
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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
Ian


Simply hiding again the real political reasoning, which is that Ofcom
have given up trying to police FM band 2.

Moving main Broadcasters to what Ofcom believe is controllable
DAB, means they can then deregulate Band 2 leaving it to
Radio smackmybitchup, broadcasting from a council high rise in Peckham.

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:50:55 +0000, Yeti wrote:

Also, taxi drivers still don't seem to notice FM exists - they only seem
to listen to MW.

That is because they are only interested in listening to TalkSport.

It appeals to their intellect.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

J G Miller wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:50:55 +0000, Yeti wrote:

Also, taxi drivers still don't seem to notice FM exists - they only seem
to listen to MW.

That is because they are only interested in listening to TalkSport.

It appeals to their intellect.


I remember back in the good old days when it was just Talk radio.

Used to listen to James Whale all the time. I was only 12.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
Ian


Simply hiding again the real political reasoning, which is that Ofcom
have given up trying to police FM band 2.

Moving main Broadcasters to what Ofcom believe is controllable
DAB, means they can then deregulate Band 2 leaving it to
Radio smackmybitchup, broadcasting from a council high rise in Peckham.

There's an easy way of dealing wih the problem of pirate radio in London:
move the Wrotham transmitters to Crystal Palace.

There's no need for the main FM station to be out at Wrotham, and moving it
means the pirates would have to compete with a 240 kW signal instead of just
4 kW from CP.

That would cope with the problem for BBC Radios 1,2,3,4 and Classic FM.
Increase power for the other stations like Capital FM and Heart towards the
240 kW level also and the job's done.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

"Stephen" wrote in message
...
"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
Ian

Simply hiding again the real political reasoning, which is that Ofcom
have given up trying to police FM band 2.

Moving main Broadcasters to what Ofcom believe is controllable
DAB, means they can then deregulate Band 2 leaving it to
Radio smackmybitchup, broadcasting from a council high rise in Peckham.

There's an easy way of dealing wih the problem of pirate radio in London:
move the Wrotham transmitters to Crystal Palace.

There's no need for the main FM station to be out at Wrotham, and moving
it means the pirates would have to compete with a 240 kW signal instead of
just 4 kW from CP.

That would cope with the problem for BBC Radios 1,2,3,4 and Classic FM.
Increase power for the other stations like Capital FM and Heart towards
the 240 kW level also and the job's done.


What, repeat BBC Radios 1,2,3,4 and Classic FM every 300kHz from 87.5MHz?
How else would shifting them to CP make any difference to Radio
Smackmybitchup?

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"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"Stephen" wrote in message
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"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
Ian

Simply hiding again the real political reasoning, which is that Ofcom
have given up trying to police FM band 2.

Moving main Broadcasters to what Ofcom believe is controllable
DAB, means they can then deregulate Band 2 leaving it to
Radio smackmybitchup, broadcasting from a council high rise in Peckham.

There's an easy way of dealing wih the problem of pirate radio in London:
move the Wrotham transmitters to Crystal Palace.

There's no need for the main FM station to be out at Wrotham, and moving
it means the pirates would have to compete with a 240 kW signal instead
of just 4 kW from CP.

That would cope with the problem for BBC Radios 1,2,3,4 and Classic FM.
Increase power for the other stations like Capital FM and Heart towards
the 240 kW level also and the job's done.


What, repeat BBC Radios 1,2,3,4 and Classic FM every 300kHz from 87.5MHz?
How else would shifting them to CP make any difference to Radio
Smackmybitchup?

Well, if they wanted to jam all the vacant channels in London they could do
it with just one transmitter at Crystal Palace or Croydon with the same
power as any of the 5 at Wrotham. It would have to specially engineered with
wide bandwidth, similar to a TV transmitter, and broadcast maybe 40 spikes
on the frequencies presently available to pirates. These would not have to
be modulated.

For an e.r.p. of 4 kW on each frequency (the same as Capital FM) a total erp
of about 160 kW would be required, which is nothing very special, and no
more than any one of dozens of main stations in the BBC National FM Radio
network.

Quite how the pirates would react I don't know.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Simply hiding again the real political reasoning, which is that Ofcom
have given up trying to police FM band 2.

Moving main Broadcasters to what Ofcom believe is controllable
DAB, means they can then deregulate Band 2 leaving it to
Radio smackmybitchup, broadcasting from a council high rise in Peckham.

Steve Terry

Rab and Joe might bring back K-OSS FM ...think they had nore fun doing that
than they are having as hammy mens at the moment .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsZ70SDY2ds

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Rab and Joe might bring back K-OSS FM ...think they had nore fun doing
that than they are having as hammy mens at the moment .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsZ70SDY2ds

they could do their phone-ins again...and chat with every scumbag in the
Greater Glasgow area........

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Can we just shut down Jeremy and keep the rest? His droning sets my teeth
on edge.

Brian

he is just part of the "somebody to blame culture" I remember there was a
Councillor who said that in the local papers time and time again...he was
then outed as a closet homo and he topped himself.......

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

"Jimbo.GM4DHJ" wrote in message
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Can we just shut down Jeremy and keep the rest? His droning sets my teeth
on edge.

Brian

he is just part of the "somebody to blame culture" I remember there was a
Councillor who said that in the local papers time and time again...he was
then outed as a closet homo and he topped himself.......

I know what you are all going to say...but with the FL somebody WAS to
blame.......

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

No many people just find Jeremy's voice in t off key drone he has, severely
irritating.

Even more irritating than Chris Evens, and the Woss brothers.

Brian

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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Can we just shut down Jeremy and keep the rest? His droning sets my teeth
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Brian

he is just part of the "somebody to blame culture" I remember there was a
Councillor who said that in the local papers time and time again...he was
then outed as a closet homo and he topped himself.......

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00rkg9g

Only just started listening, he already commented that there are loads
of people calling in saying FM is just fine, leave it alone.
(this was just before the news, a bit less than an hour into it)

Richard E.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Yeti wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.

You mean like the guy who said "the quality is 10 times better"....

10 times better than listening to a pneumatic drill.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Richard Evans wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00rkg9g

Only just started listening, he already commented that there are loads
of people calling in saying FM is just fine, leave it alone.
(this was just before the news, a bit less than an hour into it)

Richard E.

Interesting how the only member of the public they put on air was a DAB
supporter. What about the loads of people saying leave FM alone, why
weren't any of those people allowed to give their opinions on air.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Steve Terry wrote:

Simply hiding again the real political reasoning, which is that Ofcom
have given up trying to police FM band 2.

Moving main Broadcasters to what Ofcom believe is controllable
DAB, means they can then deregulate Band 2 leaving it to
Radio smackmybitchup, broadcasting from a council high rise in Peckham.

However, I don't see any technical reason why the pirates can't set up
DAB multiplexes. The main reason why they don't already do this is
probably that there isn't a big enough audience out there.

If they switch off FM, forcing lots more people to buy DAB radios, then
that may give the pirates an incentive to set up DAB broadcasts. No
doubt many of them will cause interference to legal DAB broadcasts. But
instead of messing up just one or two stations, they will wipe out whole
multiplexes messing up many legal stations at the same time.

Richard E.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

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"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"Stephen" wrote in message
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"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
Ian

Simply hiding again the real political reasoning, which is that Ofcom
have given up trying to police FM band 2.

Moving main Broadcasters to what Ofcom believe is controllable
DAB, means they can then deregulate Band 2 leaving it to
Radio smackmybitchup, broadcasting from a council high rise in Peckham.

There's an easy way of dealing wih the problem of pirate radio in
London: move the Wrotham transmitters to Crystal Palace.

There's no need for the main FM station to be out at Wrotham, and moving
it means the pirates would have to compete with a 240 kW signal instead
of just 4 kW from CP.

That would cope with the problem for BBC Radios 1,2,3,4 and Classic FM.
Increase power for the other stations like Capital FM and Heart towards
the 240 kW level also and the job's done.


What, repeat BBC Radios 1,2,3,4 and Classic FM every 300kHz from 87.5MHz?
How else would shifting them to CP make any difference to Radio
Smackmybitchup?

Well, if they wanted to jam all the vacant channels in London they could
do it with just one transmitter at Crystal Palace or Croydon with the same
power as any of the 5 at Wrotham. It would have to specially engineered
with wide bandwidth, similar to a TV transmitter, and broadcast maybe 40
spikes on the frequencies presently available to pirates. These would not
have to be modulated.

For an e.r.p. of 4 kW on each frequency (the same as Capital FM) a total
erp of about 160 kW would be required, which is nothing very special, and
no more than any one of dozens of main stations in the BBC National FM
Radio network.

Quite how the pirates would react I don't know.

You don't think the ITU, never mind the European courts would have
something to say about intentional jamming the whole of Band 2?

Steve Terry
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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
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Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
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Don't think it'll affect 2M & 70cm much.
Oh, sorry - thought this was an AMATEUR radio forum
:-)

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Steve Terry wrote:

For an e.r.p. of 4 kW on each frequency (the same as Capital FM) a total
erp of about 160 kW would be required, which is nothing very special, and
no more than any one of dozens of main stations in the BBC National FM
Radio network.

Quite how the pirates would react I don't know.

You don't think the ITU, never mind the European courts would have
something to say about intentional jamming the whole of Band 2?

Steve Terry
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And what about interference to legal stations in areas adjacent to London?

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"
You don't think the ITU, never mind the European courts would have
something to say about intentional jamming the whole of Band 2?

That's what the North Korean's do. In Pyongyang and Kaesong every FM
frequency is filled, deliberately on the same channels as South Korean
Broadcasters.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

In message , Dave S.
writes
"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
...
Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
-- Ian


Don't think it'll affect 2M & 70cm much.
Oh, sorry - thought this was an AMATEUR radio forum
:-)

I always thought that many radio amateurs often had more than a passing
interest in what happened in the broadcast bands. Obviously, there are
exceptions!
--
Ian

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"Paul Rigg" wrote in message
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"
You don't think the ITU, never mind the European courts would have
something to say about intentional jamming the whole of Band 2?

That's what the North Korean's do. In Pyongyang and Kaesong every FM
frequency is filled, deliberately on the same channels as South Korean
Broadcasters.


The ITU have a bit of a problem enforcing international regulations in North
Korea

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On 3/23/10 3:35 AM, Stephen wrote:
There's an easy way of dealing wih the problem of pirate radio in London:
move the Wrotham transmitters to Crystal Palace.

There's no need for the main FM station to be out at Wrotham, and moving it
means the pirates would have to compete with a 240 kW signal instead of just
4 kW from CP.

And how do you think reception will be in large parts of Kent?

That would cope with the problem for BBC Radios 1,2,3,4 and Classic FM.
Increase power for the other stations like Capital FM and Heart towards the
240 kW level also and the job's done.

And how are various stations in the UK and on the continent going to
cope with that?

gr, hwh

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

I listened to the interview again on iPlayer last night.

Was I the only one to hear it or did Chris Campling (of The
Times) keep saying something to the effect that he was/is
prepared to put up with a slight degradation in quality to be
able to have the range of different station styles available?

In this modern digital day and age when recorded quality can be
amazingly good (don't flame me but look at the general difference
between an LP and a CD for example) why in heaven's name do we
have to suffer a REDUCTION in quality. Surely that is a
retrograde step?

At least he did say it - which is far from what most other people
interviewed about DAB own up to!!!



--
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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Woody wrote:
I listened to the interview again on iPlayer last night.

Was I the only one to hear it or did Chris Campling (of The
Times) keep saying something to the effect that he was/is
prepared to put up with a slight degradation in quality to be
able to have the range of different station styles available?

Yeah, I remember hearing that somewhere.
He was wrong about "a slight" though.


In this modern digital day and age when recorded quality can be
amazingly good (don't flame me but look at the general difference
between an LP and a CD for example) why in heaven's name do we
have to suffer a REDUCTION in quality. Surely that is a
retrograde step?

Modern pop CDs are usually much lower quality these days. The Loudness
War. A mad race to make CDs as loud as possible, even when it trashes
the sound quality.


At least he did say it - which is far from what most other people
interviewed about DAB own up to!!!

Usually they only mention it when they absolutely have to, and then they
add some spin to make it seem like it isn't actually a problem.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:28:55 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today.

Good idea.
Switch the whole of the bloody BBC off. Flog the frequencies off to
Sky etc. and do away with the damned licence fee.

Just a bunc of overpaid, underworked fairies, the lot of 'em.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:50:55 +0000, Yeti wrote:

Also, taxi drivers still don't seem to notice FM exists - they only seem
to listen to MW.

WGAF. Switch all of the BBC off. A bunch of idle, spoon-fed, luvvies
who wouldn't know real work if it bit 'em.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Dave S. wrote:
"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
...
Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
--
Ian


Don't think it'll affect 2M & 70cm much.
Oh, sorry - thought this was an AMATEUR radio forum
:-)


And you don't think the hurried 'FM switch off' has anything to do with
Amateur Radio?

Think carefully.