Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Steve Terry wrote:

Simply hiding again the real political reasoning, which is that Ofcom
have given up trying to police FM band 2.

Moving main Broadcasters to what Ofcom believe is controllable
DAB, means they can then deregulate Band 2 leaving it to
Radio smackmybitchup, broadcasting from a council high rise in Peckham.

However, I don't see any technical reason why the pirates can't set up
DAB multiplexes. The main reason why they don't already do this is
probably that there isn't a big enough audience out there.

If they switch off FM, forcing lots more people to buy DAB radios, then
that may give the pirates an incentive to set up DAB broadcasts. No
doubt many of them will cause interference to legal DAB broadcasts. But
instead of messing up just one or two stations, they will wipe out whole
multiplexes messing up many legal stations at the same time.

Richard E.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
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Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
Ian

Simply hiding again the real political reasoning, which is that Ofcom
have given up trying to police FM band 2.

Moving main Broadcasters to what Ofcom believe is controllable
DAB, means they can then deregulate Band 2 leaving it to
Radio smackmybitchup, broadcasting from a council high rise in Peckham.

There's an easy way of dealing wih the problem of pirate radio in
London: move the Wrotham transmitters to Crystal Palace.

There's no need for the main FM station to be out at Wrotham, and moving
it means the pirates would have to compete with a 240 kW signal instead
of just 4 kW from CP.

That would cope with the problem for BBC Radios 1,2,3,4 and Classic FM.
Increase power for the other stations like Capital FM and Heart towards
the 240 kW level also and the job's done.


What, repeat BBC Radios 1,2,3,4 and Classic FM every 300kHz from 87.5MHz?
How else would shifting them to CP make any difference to Radio
Smackmybitchup?

Well, if they wanted to jam all the vacant channels in London they could
do it with just one transmitter at Crystal Palace or Croydon with the same
power as any of the 5 at Wrotham. It would have to specially engineered
with wide bandwidth, similar to a TV transmitter, and broadcast maybe 40
spikes on the frequencies presently available to pirates. These would not
have to be modulated.

For an e.r.p. of 4 kW on each frequency (the same as Capital FM) a total
erp of about 160 kW would be required, which is nothing very special, and
no more than any one of dozens of main stations in the BBC National FM
Radio network.

Quite how the pirates would react I don't know.

You don't think the ITU, never mind the European courts would have
something to say about intentional jamming the whole of Band 2?

Steve Terry
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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
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Ian


Don't think it'll affect 2M & 70cm much.
Oh, sorry - thought this was an AMATEUR radio forum
:-)

Dave S.


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Steve Terry wrote:

For an e.r.p. of 4 kW on each frequency (the same as Capital FM) a total
erp of about 160 kW would be required, which is nothing very special, and
no more than any one of dozens of main stations in the BBC National FM
Radio network.

Quite how the pirates would react I don't know.

You don't think the ITU, never mind the European courts would have
something to say about intentional jamming the whole of Band 2?

Steve Terry
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And what about interference to legal stations in areas adjacent to London?

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

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You don't think the ITU, never mind the European courts would have
something to say about intentional jamming the whole of Band 2?

That's what the North Korean's do. In Pyongyang and Kaesong every FM
frequency is filled, deliberately on the same channels as South Korean
Broadcasters.

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today. As usual, BBC R2, just after
1.15pm. Will be on Listen Again.

Seems like the usual uninformed rubbish.
-- Ian


Don't think it'll affect 2M & 70cm much.
Oh, sorry - thought this was an AMATEUR radio forum
:-)

I always thought that many radio amateurs often had more than a passing
interest in what happened in the broadcast bands. Obviously, there are
exceptions!
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Ian

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You don't think the ITU, never mind the European courts would have
something to say about intentional jamming the whole of Band 2?

That's what the North Korean's do. In Pyongyang and Kaesong every FM
frequency is filled, deliberately on the same channels as South Korean
Broadcasters.


The ITU have a bit of a problem enforcing international regulations in North
Korea

Steve Terry
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On 3/23/10 3:35 AM, Stephen wrote:
There's an easy way of dealing wih the problem of pirate radio in London:
move the Wrotham transmitters to Crystal Palace.

There's no need for the main FM station to be out at Wrotham, and moving it
means the pirates would have to compete with a 240 kW signal instead of just
4 kW from CP.

And how do you think reception will be in large parts of Kent?

That would cope with the problem for BBC Radios 1,2,3,4 and Classic FM.
Increase power for the other stations like Capital FM and Heart towards the
240 kW level also and the job's done.

And how are various stations in the UK and on the continent going to
cope with that?

gr, hwh

Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

I listened to the interview again on iPlayer last night.

Was I the only one to hear it or did Chris Campling (of The
Times) keep saying something to the effect that he was/is
prepared to put up with a slight degradation in quality to be
able to have the range of different station styles available?

In this modern digital day and age when recorded quality can be
amazingly good (don't flame me but look at the general difference
between an LP and a CD for example) why in heaven's name do we
have to suffer a REDUCTION in quality. Surely that is a
retrograde step?

At least he did say it - which is far from what most other people
interviewed about DAB own up to!!!



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Woody

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Jeremy Vine FM switch-off debate today
 

Woody wrote:
I listened to the interview again on iPlayer last night.

Was I the only one to hear it or did Chris Campling (of The
Times) keep saying something to the effect that he was/is
prepared to put up with a slight degradation in quality to be
able to have the range of different station styles available?

Yeah, I remember hearing that somewhere.
He was wrong about "a slight" though.


In this modern digital day and age when recorded quality can be
amazingly good (don't flame me but look at the general difference
between an LP and a CD for example) why in heaven's name do we
have to suffer a REDUCTION in quality. Surely that is a
retrograde step?

Modern pop CDs are usually much lower quality these days. The Loudness
War. A mad race to make CDs as loud as possible, even when it trashes
the sound quality.


At least he did say it - which is far from what most other people
interviewed about DAB own up to!!!

Usually they only mention it when they absolutely have to, and then they
add some spin to make it seem like it isn't actually a problem.