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get_iplayer dropped - BBC acting like Pay-TV network
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http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-d...or-open-source which follows on from... http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16/20100308...o-6315470.html ....and... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02..._verification/ So it seems “open” “FTA” “in the clear” “public service” content will only keep working if you use proprietary software. Welcome to the 21st century - where the BBC behaves like a US Pay-TV network. If you're thinking "that's OK - it's only iPlayer - it doesn't effect broadcast", remember... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcintern...anagement.html ....and if that doesn't scare you, remember that the German (previously FTA) commercial channels decided to join a system where everything can be locked behind a proper CA system - rather than the "pretend" DRM that the BBC has played around with so far. We're in a bizarre situation in the UK where it's only OfCom who are keeping broadcasts "open", against a BBC who want to make them as proprietary as regulations will allow. Now remind me - where will OfCom be in a few months time? Cheers, David. |
get_iplayer dropped - BBC acting like Pay-TV network
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get_iplayer dropped - BBC acting like Pay-TV network
On 10 Mar, 20:15, Adrian C wrote:
On 10/03/2010 15:35, wrote: We're in a bizarre situation in the UK where it's only OfCom who are keeping broadcasts "open", against a BBC who want to make them as proprietary as regulations will allow. Now remind me - where will OfCom be in a few months time? Sorry, don't agree. The BBC has a right to protect it's investment (on behalf of licence payers) in developing programmes and (mad as it is) it's iplayer hosting platform. Arguing that it should be free because the work done on linux platforms is 'free' is just blowing a smoke screen around the plain fact that some people get upset about DRM methods getting in the way of their desire for unfair and dishonest use of media. i.e. archiving it off and distributing the content out of the UK's shores. True - but none of this stops people grabbing the content and putting it on bit torrent. If you're going to do that, the actual broadcasts are a much better source. What it stops you doing is using the content on devices that don't support the BBC's chosen mechanism, time shifting it beyond the 7 days that the stream is available, and using it in places that the stream isn't available. "But you can download and keep for 30 days" I hear you cry. Not radio you can't. Nor TV on many platforms - in fact by number (rather that popularity), most platforms are streaming only, even for TV. If you think 7 days is fine - up to 30 if you use exactly the right platform - then I suppose you'll look forward to that being pushed onto PVR users too. Can't happen? They've already forced PVR manufacturers to encrypt recordings of FTA content. They're building a world where they can do pretty much what they like through private licence agreements. The commercial world has done this for years - but the BBC has just started. Cheers, David. |
get_iplayer dropped - BBC acting like Pay-TV network
"Adrian C" wrote in message
... On 10/03/2010 15:35, wrote: We're in a bizarre situation in the UK where it's only OfCom who are keeping broadcasts "open", against a BBC who want to make them as proprietary as regulations will allow. Now remind me - where will OfCom be in a few months time? Sorry, don't agree. The BBC has a right to protect it's investment (on behalf of licence payers) in developing programmes and (mad as it is) it's iplayer hosting platform. Given that you can record live digital TV from terrestrial or satellite signals, being able to do the same thing via the internet for the past week's programmes just makes life a bit more convenient. I doubt it has any impact on the BBC's investment in programme material, particularly as for some of us the internet streams are of a lower quality (bit rate). What particularly annoys me is that whilst the BBC are prepared to make radio programmes available via the iplayer in AAC format these can not be received by internet radios because of the flash encoding. Get_iplayer was potentially a way of circumventing that. -- Michael Chare |
get_iplayer dropped - BBC acting like Pay-TV network
Michael Chare wrote:
What particularly annoys me is that whilst the BBC are prepared to make radio programmes available via the iplayer in AAC format these can not be received by internet radios because of the flash encoding. Get_iplayer was potentially a way of circumventing that. Interestingly, I can get BBC aac streams on my Squeezebox, no problem at all (using the Iplayer Plugin). I presume these can not be flash streams. As far as I understand it, The BBC have some sort of XML feeds, intended to be used by internet radios, and the IPlayer plugin for my Squeezebox uses these feeds. Apparently though many wi-fi radios manufacturers just don't implement this. It would however make life a lot easier for wi-fi radio users, if the BBC would allow them to just enter a URL. Richard E. |
get_iplayer dropped - BBC acting like Pay-TV network
Whats all this? we use other applications to try to get access for blind
people. This would seem to be an aspect they ahve not thought about. The problem has always been that bought in stuff and rights agreed abroad has often screwed minorities here. Lawyers need to get a life. Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! wrote in message ... See... http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-d...or-open-source which follows on from... http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16/20100308...o-6315470.html ....and... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02..._verification/ So it seems “open” “FTA” “in the clear” “public service” content will only keep working if you use proprietary software. Welcome to the 21st century - where the BBC behaves like a US Pay-TV network. If you're thinking "that's OK - it's only iPlayer - it doesn't effect broadcast", remember... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcintern...anagement.html ....and if that doesn't scare you, remember that the German (previously FTA) commercial channels decided to join a system where everything can be locked behind a proper CA system - rather than the "pretend" DRM that the BBC has played around with so far. We're in a bizarre situation in the UK where it's only OfCom who are keeping broadcasts "open", against a BBC who want to make them as proprietary as regulations will allow. Now remind me - where will OfCom be in a few months time? Cheers, David. |
get_iplayer dropped - BBC acting like Pay-TV network
....snip...
"But you can download and keep for 30 days" I hear you cry. Not radio you can't. Nor TV on many platforms - in fact by number (rather that popularity), most platforms are streaming only, even for TV. For audio at least (whether that's radio or the audio part of a debate TV program) you can use AudioGrabber or similar. I admit to using it so that I can "listen again" on an MP3 player. Probably this is technically illegal but I consider I'm within the spirit of the law as I'm using it for personal use with a few days, not archiving, not distributing etc. etc. Paul DS. |
get_iplayer dropped - BBC acting like Pay-TV network
wrote in message ... See... http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-d...or-open-source which follows on from... http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16/20100308...o-6315470.html ...and... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02..._verification/ So it seems “open” “FTA” “in the clear” “public service” content will only keep working if you use proprietary software. Welcome to the 21st century - where the BBC behaves like a US Pay-TV network. If you're thinking "that's OK - it's only iPlayer - it doesn't effect broadcast", remember... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcintern...anagement.html ...and if that doesn't scare you, remember that the German (previously FTA) commercial channels decided to join a system where everything can be locked behind a proper CA system - rather than the "pretend" DRM that the BBC has played around with so far. We're in a bizarre situation in the UK where it's only OfCom who are keeping broadcasts "open", against a BBC who want to make them as proprietary as regulations will allow. Now remind me - where will OfCom be in a few months time? Cheers, David. So the issue is that the BBC has limited their content to Windows platforms and others such as the Wii through iPlayer. The correct step is surely for the BBC to release an iPlayer for Linux and be done with it. Paul DS. |
get_iplayer dropped - BBC acting like Pay-TV network
On 11 Mar, 08:50, "Paul D.Smith" wrote:
...snip... "But you can download and keep for 30 days" I hear you cry. Not radio you can't. Nor TV on many platforms - in fact by number (rather that popularity), most platforms are streaming only, even for TV. For audio at least (whether that's radio or the audio part of a debate TV program) you can use AudioGrabber or similar. *I admit to using it so that I can "listen again" on an MP3 player. *Probably this is technically illegal but I consider I'm within the spirit of the law as I'm using it for personal use with a few days, not archiving, not distributing etc. etc. You never used get_iplayer then? You could programme it like a PVR, and it would grab all the iphone mp3 streams straight from iPlayer to your HDD / mp3 player in many many times faster than real time. It even tagged them all correctly for you. It's _the_ way to listen to radio. The thing is, you can do the same thing with a Freeview or Freesat PVR, but looking forward 7 days, rather than back 7 days. Other than that, it makes absolutely no difference which you use* - there's a list of programmes, you pick the ones you want, and dump the files to your mp3 player once a week. * except, apparently, the BBC condones Freeview+Freesat PVRs, and provides all the necessary metadata to make them work - while it seems keen on squashing any software that attempts to do the same for iPlayer. The result is that you need to buy specific kit to make it work (either a PVR, or an iPhone) whereas in theory (and in practice with "free" software) all you need is your existing PC and existing mp3 player. I understand rights issues, but Aunty needs to get some balls. If bought-in content comes with strings attached, fine. Lock it down. What about the 90%+ that's "BBC" content - at least BBC commissioned content. Why not open that up properly - instead of trying to lock everything down? True, it may confuse consumers having different content with different availability - but if you check what's available on different iPlayer platforms, they're already keeping acquisitions off some of those platforms, so they're already differentiating - problem is, they're doing it to let less people see some content - they aren't doing it the other way, to let _more_ people access content where that's possible. Cheers, David. |
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