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BBC 6 Music and Asian Network face axe in shake-up

In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian C wrote:
Both would have been a success on FM.

Seems the Asian network was a success once with over 1/2 million
listeners. So not anything to do with the platform?

Maybe but ye can't ignore the fact that FM reaches so many places more
than DAB with existing readily analogue equipment. Until ye can walk,
say, from the kitchen to the car, and listen to the same morning radio
program without spending an arm and a leg on electronics, I don't think
there is going to great a loyalty of listeners for radio stations not
similcasting on FM.

Which makes 'internet' radio a total waste of money too, then?

The 1/2 million they once had probably found something else more
wholesome on the many other DAB stations, or gave up and went back to
more established alternatives on analogue.

Dunno. But to lose such a large percentage of an audience in a niche
market means something went very wrong. Perhaps they changed to watching
Asian TV off satellite instead.

or even decided they didn't want to be patronised and listened to main
stream radio. After all, a great many "Asians" try to be more British than
the British.

On the few occasions that I've heard Asian Network it's output has been
exclusively Indian/Pakistani oriented.

Surely the term "Asian" includes Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis,
Sri Lankans, Mongolians, Indonesians, Filipinos and more.

It should at least be renamed.
--
Ian

BBC 6 Music and Asian Network face axe in shake-up

On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:25:40 +0000, Ian wrote:

In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian C wrote:
Both would have been a success on FM.

Seems the Asian network was a success once with over 1/2 million
listeners. So not anything to do with the platform?

Maybe but ye can't ignore the fact that FM reaches so many places more
than DAB with existing readily analogue equipment. Until ye can walk,
say, from the kitchen to the car, and listen to the same morning radio
program without spending an arm and a leg on electronics, I don't think
there is going to great a loyalty of listeners for radio stations not
similcasting on FM.

Which makes 'internet' radio a total waste of money too, then?

The 1/2 million they once had probably found something else more
wholesome on the many other DAB stations, or gave up and went back to
more established alternatives on analogue.

Dunno. But to lose such a large percentage of an audience in a niche
market means something went very wrong. Perhaps they changed to watching
Asian TV off satellite instead.

or even decided they didn't want to be patronised and listened to main
stream radio. After all, a great many "Asians" try to be more British than
the British.

On the few occasions that I've heard Asian Network it's output has been
exclusively Indian/Pakistani oriented.

Surely the term "Asian" includes Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis,
Sri Lankans, Mongolians, Indonesians, Filipinos and more.

It should at least be renamed.

You have a point. However, this use of Asian started when India became
independent and Pakistan split off from it. A word was needed to replace
Indian which until then had been used for the whole of the Indian
subcontinent. In spite of the objection you point out this usage has
persisted.[1]

But this meaning of Asian is specific to the UK (and perhaps Ireland).
Other countries use it with a wider meaning.

This subject is a can of worms. Americans use Asian when referring to
the Chinese and their neighbours. I think we Brits might call them
orientals or far-easterners, or something.

[1] Compare this with the use of American by the people of the USA to
refer only to themselves rather than to all the people of North and
South American. This leads to the fact that American is a smaller group
of [people than North American (of USA, Canada and Mexico).

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

BBC 6 Music and Asian Network face axe in shake-up

In article ,
Peter Duncanson wrote:
This subject is a can of worms. Americans use Asian when referring to
the Chinese and their neighbours. I think we Brits might call them
orientals or far-easterners, or something.

IIRC, the accepted term these days is 'South Asian'

--
*Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.

Dave Plowman London SW
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BBC 6 Music and Asian Network face axe in shake-up

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Peter Duncanson wrote:
This subject is a can of worms. Americans use Asian when referring to
the Chinese and their neighbours. I think we Brits might call them
orientals or far-easterners, or something.

IIRC, the accepted term these days is 'South Asian'

I note that all the news about Afganistan is in the 'South Asia' section of
the BBC news website. Considering all the countries to the south of the
equator in Asia, I think some people need geography lessons ;-)

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16

BBC 6 Music and Asian Network face axe in shake-up

Ian writes:

Surely the term "Asian" includes Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis,
Sri Lankans, Mongolians, Indonesians, Filipinos and more.

Not forgetting the other large Asian group in the UK - the Chinese.

BBC 6 Music and Asian Network face axe in shake-up

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:20:24 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Peter Duncanson wrote:
This subject is a can of worms. Americans use Asian when referring to
the Chinese and their neighbours. I think we Brits might call them
orientals or far-easterners, or something.

IIRC, the accepted term these days is 'South Asian'

Yes.

I was only ten years old when India became independent and split in two.
As far as I can recall people were generally known by their nationality:
Indian, Chinese, Malayan, Japanese, etc. Asia was the name of a
continent and Asian was therefore the general name for its inhabitants.
However, I don't think an individual would be described as an Asian
except perhaps to distinguish him or her from a European or African.

The problem in the UK when India split was what to call those people who
we had until then called Indian. Some were still Indian, but the
individuals who had been rebranded as Pakistani were not happy to be
called Indian. A general, neutral, phrase was needed.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

BBC 6 Music and Asian Network face axe in shake-up

In article ,
Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:20:24 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Peter Duncanson wrote:
This subject is a can of worms. Americans use Asian when referring to
the Chinese and their neighbours. I think we Brits might call them
orientals or far-easterners, or something.

IIRC, the accepted term these days is 'South Asian'

Yes.

I was only ten years old when India became independent and split in two.
As far as I can recall people were generally known by their nationality:
Indian, Chinese, Malayan, Japanese, etc. Asia was the name of a
continent and Asian was therefore the general name for its inhabitants.
However, I don't think an individual would be described as an Asian
except perhaps to distinguish him or her from a European or African.

The problem in the UK when India split was what to call those people who
we had until then called Indian. Some were still Indian, but the
individuals who had been rebranded as Pakistani were not happy to be
called Indian. A general, neutral, phrase was needed.

and no-one remembers "Bangladeshi", whom I gather run most of our "Indian"
restaurants.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16

BBC 6 Music and Asian Network face axe in shake-up

Peter Duncanson writes:

The problem in the UK when India split was what to call those people who
we had until then called Indian. Some were still Indian, but the
individuals who had been rebranded as Pakistani were not happy to be
called Indian. A general, neutral, phrase was needed.

I believe that few of the very many "Indian" restaurants, nearly all of
which were opened after the 'split' are owned and staffed by natives of
that is now, after the split, India. Yet, they are happy for their
establishments to be called Indian rather than Pakistani or Bangladeshi,
etc.

BBC 6 Music and Asian Network face axe in shake-up

On Mar 3, 5:40*pm, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:20:24 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
The problem in the UK when India split was what to call those people who
we had until then called Indian. Some were still Indian, but the
individuals who had been rebranded as Pakistani were not happy to be
called Indian. A general, neutral, phrase was needed.

Well there's plenty to chose from.

Bill