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Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
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Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
Joseph wrote:
See he http://tinyurl.com/yh4ffbe They're a bit behind, the models appeared in the latest Argos catalogue over a month ago, complete with prices:- DVB-T2 sets coming in March :- 26EX302 26 inch model (1366 x 768 res) 480 Quid P346 32EX403 32 inch model 1920 X 1080 600 Quid P351 32EX503 32 inch model 1920 X 1080 700 Quid P352 37EX403 37 inch model 1920 X 1080 700 Quid P358 37EX503 37 inch model 1920 X 1080 800 Quid P358 -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
I have been holding off buying a new TV until DVB-T2 sets become
available. I have been browsing the Sony UK site trying to understand the differences between the various choices of TV in their 2010 range and, frankly, have found this confusing. There are two very similar models that both support DVB-T2 but one (KDL-32EX603) states that it supports "High Definition TV Tuner (MPEG-4) - H.264 with supported operators". Can anyone please explain to me why this should be required? I understood that DVB-T2 used MPEG-4 anyway? The other one (KDL-32EX703) makes no mention of this feature. Trying to identify a model in this vast range that has the features you require, without paying for those you don't, I find is quite a nightmare! |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"ChrisW" wrote in message
... I have been holding off buying a new TV until DVB-T2 sets become available. I have been browsing the Sony UK site trying to understand the differences between the various choices of TV in their 2010 range and, frankly, have found this confusing. There are two very similar models that both support DVB-T2 but one (KDL-32EX603) states that it supports "High Definition TV Tuner (MPEG-4) - H.264 with supported operators". Can anyone please explain to me why this should be required? I understood that DVB-T2 used MPEG-4 anyway? The other one (KDL-32EX703) makes no mention of this feature. Freeview HD uses both DVB-T2 and H.264/MPEG-4 AVC. A receiver must meet both standards to receive and display a Freeview HD signal. (AIUI) Trying to identify a model in this vast range that has the features you require, without paying for those you don't, I find is quite a nightmare! I agree, it gets even more complex when you start to enquire what the Wifi/Ethernet ports can be used for. Will these TVs be able to display the BBC iPlayer when that becomes available on Freeview? -- Michael Chare |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:02:50 +0000, Michael Chare wrote:
I agree, it gets even more complex when you start to enquire what the Wifi/Ethernet ports can be used for. Well technogeeks might be hoping that they will be able to watch YouTube videos and surf the web directly on the TV via the network port. |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
In article , J G Miller wrote:
I agree, it gets even more complex when you start to enquire what the Wifi/Ethernet ports can be used for. Well technogeeks might be hoping that they will be able to watch YouTube videos and surf the web directly on the TV via the network port. Why worry, when it can already be easily done with any TV set using an external computer via the HDMI port? Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message .myzen.co.uk... In article , J G Miller wrote: I agree, it gets even more complex when you start to enquire what the Wifi/Ethernet ports can be used for. Well technogeeks might be hoping that they will be able to watch YouTube videos and surf the web directly on the TV via the network port. Why worry, when it can already be easily done with any TV set using an external computer via the HDMI port? Can it ? I have this notion that the signal on the HDMI cable is in encrypted form - is not that the idea of it - and that it is decoded in the set/terminating port. If so, then it would be necessary to suitably encode the signal from the computer. Can you do that ? Roger R |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Michael Chare" wrote in message o.uk... Freeview HD uses both DVB-T2 and H.264/MPEG-4 AVC. A receiver must meet both standards to receive and display a Freeview HD signal. (AIUI) Is it correct to say DVB-T2 is the standard and H264/MPEG-4 is the codec ? Roger R |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Roger R" wrote in message ... "Roderick Stewart" wrote in message .myzen.co.uk... In article , J G Miller wrote: I agree, it gets even more complex when you start to enquire what the Wifi/Ethernet ports can be used for. Well technogeeks might be hoping that they will be able to watch YouTube videos and surf the web directly on the TV via the network port. Why worry, when it can already be easily done with any TV set using an external computer via the HDMI port? Can it ? I have this notion that the signal on the HDMI cable is in encrypted form - is not that the idea of it - and that it is decoded in the set/terminating port. If so, then it would be necessary to suitably encode the signal from the computer. Can you do that ? Roger R Horse before cart there I think. If the source is encoded then an HDCP compliant receiver (TV in this case) is required to display it, not that the TV needs an HDCP encoded signal to display anything. -- Paul S |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
In article ,
Michael Chare wrote: I agree, it gets even more complex when you start to enquire what the Wifi/Ethernet ports can be used for. Will these TVs be able to display the BBC iPlayer when that becomes available on Freeview? What does it mean for the iPlayer to "become available on Freeview"? It's there on the internet regardless of what Freeview does. Is the idea just that there would be some sort of guide or red button that tells the TV to connect to it? And of course there's no reason why you should have a have a TV with a Freeview HD or Freesat HD tuner for it to be able to display HD iPlayer programs. Even on a standard definition TV it should look much better than standard iPlayer. And in fact Freeview HD ought to look very good on an SD TV. The broadcast resolution, iPlayer resolution, and TV resolution don't have to be tied together. -- Richard -- Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind. |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Paul S" PAULatSONIFEXdotCOdotUK wrote in message ... I have this notion that the signal on the HDMI cable is in encrypted form - is not that the idea of it - and that it is decoded in the set/terminating port. If so, then it would be necessary to suitably encode the signal from the computer. Can you do that ? Roger R Horse before cart there I think. If the source is encoded then an HDCP compliant receiver (TV in this case) is required to display it, not that the TV needs an HDCP encoded signal to display anything. Does the broadcaster have the ability to turn the encoding on and off, just as they do on DSat SD for premium content, or is everything broadcast in HD encoded all the time ? Roger R |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Richard Tobin" wrote in message
... In article , Michael Chare wrote: I agree, it gets even more complex when you start to enquire what the Wifi/Ethernet ports can be used for. Will these TVs be able to display the BBC iPlayer when that becomes available on Freeview? What does it mean for the iPlayer to "become available on Freeview"? It's there on the internet regardless of what Freeview does. Is the idea just that there would be some sort of guide or red button that tells the TV to connect to it? With a Freesat receiver you can press the red button, enter a code (at the moment) which gives you the iPlayer initial menu if your receiver is connected to the internet and supports this function. The same facility is not available on Freeview. - at the moment. -- Michael Chare |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Roger R" wrote in message
... "Michael Chare" wrote in message o.uk... Freeview HD uses both DVB-T2 and H.264/MPEG-4 AVC. A receiver must meet both standards to receive and display a Freeview HD signal. (AIUI) Is it correct to say DVB-T2 is the standard and H264/MPEG-4 is the codec ? AIUI: H.264/MPEG-4 AVC defines how the picture is digitally encoded. DVB-T2 defines how the digital stream is encoded on the broadcast signal. -- Michael Chare |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
On 02/03/2010 09:48, Roger R wrote:
"Michael wrote in message o.uk... Freeview HD uses both DVB-T2 and H.264/MPEG-4 AVC. A receiver must meet both standards to receive and display a Freeview HD signal. (AIUI) Is it correct to say DVB-T2 is the standard and H264/MPEG-4 is the codec ? For the UK flavour of HD DTT broadcasts, but there's nothing to stop MPEG 2 being used with T2, and MPEG 4 indeed is used with T1 in some countries. However, you'd be mad to use the T2/MPEG 2 combination, so in short the answer to your question is yes. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. http://www.paras.org.uk/ |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... On 02/03/2010 09:48, Roger R wrote: "Michael wrote in message o.uk... Freeview HD uses both DVB-T2 and H.264/MPEG-4 AVC. A receiver must meet both standards to receive and display a Freeview HD signal. (AIUI) Is it correct to say DVB-T2 is the standard and H264/MPEG-4 is the codec ? For the UK flavour of HD DTT broadcasts, but there's nothing to stop MPEG 2 being used with T2, and MPEG 4 indeed is used with T1 in some countries. However, you'd be mad to use the T2/MPEG 2 combination, so in short the answer to your question is yes. So leaving the actual codec out of the equation, what is the advantage of T2 over T? |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
On 02/03/2010 11:42, Ivan wrote:
So leaving the actual codec out of the equation, what is the advantage of T2 over T? An extra 10-15 Mb/s payload when used in an 8 MHz wide UHF channel, (all other things being equal) -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. http://www.paras.org.uk/ |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... On 02/03/2010 11:42, Ivan wrote: So leaving the actual codec out of the equation, what is the advantage of T2 over T? An extra 10-15 Mb/s payload when used in an 8 MHz wide UHF channel, (all other things being equal) Ta Mark.. After Mendip switches over (in a few weeks' time) I'm toying with the idea of treating myself to an HD-T2 Freeview receiver, that's of course if the pound is still actually worth anything by then;0) |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:09:37 -0000, "Paul S" PAULatSONIFEXdotCOdotUK
wrote: "Roger R" wrote in message ... "Roderick Stewart" wrote in message .myzen.co.uk... In article , J G Miller wrote: I agree, it gets even more complex when you start to enquire what the Wifi/Ethernet ports can be used for. Well technogeeks might be hoping that they will be able to watch YouTube videos and surf the web directly on the TV via the network port. Why worry, when it can already be easily done with any TV set using an external computer via the HDMI port? Can it ? I have this notion that the signal on the HDMI cable is in encrypted form - is not that the idea of it - and that it is decoded in the set/terminating port. If so, then it would be necessary to suitably encode the signal from the computer. Can you do that ? Roger R Horse before cart there I think. If the source is encoded then an HDCP compliant receiver (TV in this case) is required to display it, not that the TV needs an HDCP encoded signal to display anything. Yes. This laptop computer has an HDMI socket. I can connect it to a TV. The computer then uses the TV as an external display either instead of or as well as its own screen (selected in the same way as any other external display screen). If the computer can display something on its own screen it can display it on an HDMI-connected TV screen. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:45:09 +0000, Mark Carver wrote:
An extra 10-15 Mb/s payload when used in an 8 MHz wide UHF channel, (all other things being equal) Which is why the commercial multiplex operators will be keen to switch to DVB-t2 once receiver ownership becomes mainstream. The speculation is that $ky Picnic will get approved so long as they reword application to MPEG-4 on DVB-t2 rather than MPEG-4 on DVB-t. |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
They have broken the model numbers.
The old buy the W range rule is no longer valid "Joseph" wrote in message ... See he http://tinyurl.com/yh4ffbe |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Michael Chare" wrote in message
news:gMydnb6rM- With a Freesat receiver you can press the red button, enter a code (at the moment) which gives you the iPlayer initial menu if your receiver is connected to the internet and supports this function. That's right, and it's quite confusing at first glance. The iPlayer feed comes down your broadband, as it always has. Your TV just acts as an interface to it, provided it is connected to your home network. Thus, it has nothing at all to do with Freesat or Freeview broadcasts. I bet loads of people will get mixed up over this. The only reason for not seeing iPlayer on Freeview sets or PVRs is that internet connectivity was never specified as a requirement for Freeview-branded equipment. If a manufacturer wants to use the Freesat brand, they must meet various requirements, which includes internet connectivity. SteveT |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
In article , Roger R wrote:
I agree, it gets even more complex when you start to enquire what the Wifi/Ethernet ports can be used for. Well technogeeks might be hoping that they will be able to watch YouTube videos and surf the web directly on the TV via the network port. Why worry, when it can already be easily done with any TV set using an external computer via the HDMI port? Can it ? I have this notion that the signal on the HDMI cable is in encrypted form - is not that the idea of it - and that it is decoded in the set/terminating port. If so, then it would be necessary to suitably encode the signal from the computer. Can you do that ? I don't know about any special encoding or decoding. I built my media centre round a motherboard that has an HDMI output, I just plugged my TV display into it, and it works, just like any other computer monitor. The HDMI output is 1920x1080 and looks great. Didn't even need a separate graphics card. A "media centre" is just a computer with a big screen, the only difference being that instead of standing the screen on a desk, sitting in front of it in a swivel chair and calling it a monitor, you hang it on the wall, call it a TV set and sit on a comfy sofa. Otherwise it's a computer. Anything you can watch on a computer - video files, DVDs, Blu-ray disks, family photos, you- tube clips, BBC i-player, internet TV, internet radio, audio CDs, etc etc, you can watch on the big screen as if it were proper telly. Some of it actually looks better than proper telly (or is that just another way of saying that some proper telly is pretty dire?). My screen, like most of them these days, has traditional RGB and YUV composite inputs as well as HDMI, so I can continue to use the SCART outputs from my Freeview recorders as normal until I decide whether I want to replace those with a TV card for the computer - sorry, I meant "media centre". I'm experimenting with the best way to control everythimg, but so far my favourite is just a common or garden cordless optical mouse on the coffee table. I'm not using this computer for word processing or email, just playing audio and video, so I very rarely need to type anything, and Windows 7 has an excellent on-screen keyboard which is just fine for that. There is an actual keyboard as well, but I think it's probably going to gather dust on a shelf while I stay on that comfy sofa. Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in
message I don't know about any special encoding or decoding. I built my media centre round a motherboard that has an HDMI output, I just plugged my TV display into it, and it works, just like any other computer monitor. The HDMI output is 1920x1080 and looks great. Didn't even need a separate graphics card. Do you have one or more tuner cards, and do you use it as a PVR? -- Michael Chare |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message .myzen.co.uk... A "media centre" is just a computer with a big screen, the only difference being that instead of standing the screen on a desk, sitting in front of it in a swivel chair and calling it a monitor, you hang it on the wall, call it a TV set and sit on a comfy sofa. Otherwise it's a computer. Anything you can watch on a computer - video files, DVDs, Blu-ray disks, family photos, you- tube clips, BBC i-player, internet TV, internet radio, audio CDs, etc etc, you can watch on the big screen as if it were proper telly. Some of it actually looks better than proper telly (or is that just another way of saying that some proper telly is pretty dire?). Out of interest, can you say how you use the media centre to record a programme. Roger R |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
In article , Michael Chare
wrote: I don't know about any special encoding or decoding. I built my media centre round a motherboard that has an HDMI output, I just plugged my TV display into it, and it works, just like any other computer monitor. The HDMI output is 1920x1080 and looks great. Didn't even need a separate graphics card. Do you have one or more tuner cards, and do you use it as a PVR? I don't, yet, as I already have a couple of Freeview recorders that do the job very nicely, but adding a suitable card to the media centre is something to be considered for the future. As it's fundamentally a standard PC with the usual expansion slots, I expect there will be opportunities to experiment. I might wait till somebody produces an HD-capable PCI card. Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
In message , Michael
Chare wrote With a Freesat receiver you can press the red button, enter a code (at the moment) which gives you the iPlayer initial menu if your receiver is connected to the internet and supports this function. The same facility is not available on Freeview. - at the moment. But it's nothing to do with Freesat either. It's just that the some box manufacturers have made an Internet connection to the Iplayer possible without having to go through another piece of equipment. -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
"Alan" wrote in message ... But it's nothing to do with Freesat either. It's just that the some box manufacturers have made an Internet connection to the Iplayer possible without having to go through another piece of equipment. Are you sure? Certainly, network connectivity is part of the Freesat branding requirement. SteveT |
Sony unwraps built in HD Freeview TV
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:18:25 +0000, Alan wrote:
It's just that the some box manufacturers have made an Internet connection to the Iplayer possible without having to go through another piece of equipment. PEDANTIC MODE It still has to go through many other pieces of equipment -- the first being either an ethernet switch connected to a router, or directly to a router, or via a wireless access point connected to a router. /PEDANTIC MODE |
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