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" wrote in message ... http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill I thought bolting into a chimney was something of a no-no as well. Paul DS. |
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On Feb 11, 8:48*am, "Paul D.Smith" wrote:
" wrote in message I thought bolting into a chimney was something of a no-no as well. IMO it's a matter of 'if in doubt don't'. Bill |
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Paul D.Smith wrote: " wrote in message ... http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill I thought bolting into a chimney was something of a no-no as well. It certainly would be here with lime mortar. Perhaps the lashings above and below help keep things together. ;-) My large rotatable dish is chimney mounted with a heavy duty strap lashing kit and seems ok. But on a quadruple chimney. Paul DS. -- *I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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" wrote in message ... http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill How ironic compared with his comments he http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue7.htm A strange site. Some good advice and a couple of nice looking jobs, but also some nonsense, botchery and a bit scathing about log periodic aerials. |
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On 11 Feb, 03:52, "
wrote: http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill Firstly there are 4 bolts although the one does appear to be missing and yes you are right I forgot to tape the f connector, but then it is solid cable, not air spaced. The house is surrounded by high trees, there was no option but to put it on the chimney, so you never forget to tape a plug, you never under any circumstances bolt a dish to a chimney, well I wish I was as f**king perfect as you! How about getting a life instead of nit picking at others, I guarantee all my work, I honour every single guarantee, promptly, recalls are rare but I bet even you mr perfect get one or two? Up yours! |
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, martin willmott wrote: On 11 Feb, 03:52, " wrote: http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill Firstly there are 4 bolts although the one does appear to be missing and yes you are right I forgot to tape the f connector, but then it is solid cable, not air spaced. how does that stop corrostion of the screen connection? -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 |
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"Doctor D" wrote in message
... " wrote in message ... http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill How ironic compared with his comments he http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue7.htm A strange site. Some good advice and a couple of nice looking jobs, but also some nonsense, botchery and a bit scathing about log periodic aerials. Well log periodic do have their uses but they're not good for weak signal areas. -- Brian Gregory. (In the UK) To email me remove the letter veer. |
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"martin willmott" wrote in message ... On 11 Feb, 03:52, " wrote: http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill Firstly there are 4 bolts although the one does appear to be missing and yes you are right I forgot to tape the f connector, but then it is solid cable, not air spaced. The house is surrounded by high trees, there was no option but to put it on the chimney, so you never forget to tape a plug, you never under any circumstances bolt a dish to a chimney, well I wish I was as f**king perfect as you! How about getting a life instead of nit picking at others, I guarantee all my work, I honour every single guarantee, promptly, recalls are rare but I bet even you mr perfect get one or two? Up yours! Unfortunately some people spend a lot of time slagging others off in this group. Bill often goes on about going out to correct aerial installations and how a lot of people are cowboys. What he has NEVER done is name any company he claims have corrected work for. Not once has he said anything about work installed by other companies because they would sue him. I don't believe how perfect Bill is either, he sounds like he wants everyone to think he is. We are all still waiting for the many names of companies that have installed unsuitable equipment that Bill has charged to "correct". I think it will be funny to see someone we all know about on ROGUE TRADERS! Let's see how perfect those claiming to be really are. One day Bill, you will upset the wrong people. |
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On Feb 11, 10:55*pm, "IanT" wrote:
"martin willmott" wrote in message ... On 11 Feb, 03:52, " wrote: http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill Martin, are you aware that there are two people called Bill in this group? My own comment has been confined to 'no waterproofing of the 'f' connector and no cable clips?' I didn't criticise you for it, I merely pointed it out, although of course you know it's very poor work. I find it surprising that you put pics of bad work on your website. Firstly there are 4 bolts although the one does appear to be missing I'm not sure what you're saying. If one is missing from a set of four there are three. I've looked very closely and it looks like three bolts and an empty hole to me. and yes you are right I forgot to tape the f connector, but then it is solid cable, not air spaced. It doesn't matter. The house is surrounded by high trees, there was no option but to put it on the chimney, Fair enough. I often put dishes on chimneys, if I'm happy that the chimney will stand it. In this case I'd be far more worried about the tall mast, which is on a very small chimney for the load it will impose, with the brackets much too close. The rule of thumb is 1ft between the brackets for every seven feet of height. The dish in your picture should have been installed one or two courses of bricks lower. This would have reduced the visual impact and possibly helped it stand up to the wind. It would also have made it more secure because there would have been more weight on the bricks to which it was attached. so you never forget to tape a plug, I don't think I do actually, which is quite surprising really. you never under any circumstances bolt a dish to a chimney, See above. well I wish I was as f**king perfect as you! How about getting a life instead of nit picking at others, I don't nit pick on my website, I merely point out gross unforgivable errors. Mentioning that you have left the f connector unprotected and that you've left the cable insecure is not nit picking. These are serious faults. I guarantee all my work, I honour every single guarantee, promptly, Having a good honest attitude does not make you a competent installer. Your heart is in the right place but I honestly think you could improve your installation skills. recalls are rare but I bet even you mr perfect get one or two? Of course, how could it be otherwise? We all suffer faulty amplifiers etc, and make mistakes, and have confused people as customers. Up yours! Thank you. As you might know I'm always ready for a cheap thrill. Unfortunately some people spend a lot of time slagging others off in this group. *Bill often goes on about going out to correct aerial installations and how a lot of people are cowboys. *What he has NEVER done is name any company he claims have corrected work for. *Not once has he said anything about work installed by other companies because they would sue him. *I don't believe how perfect Bill is either, he sounds like he wants everyone to think he is. *We are all still waiting for the many names of companies that have installed unsuitable equipment that Bill has charged to "correct". *I think it will be funny to see someone we all know about on ROGUE TRADERS! *Let's see how perfect those claiming to be really are. One day Bill, you will upset the wrong people. You remind me of someone. Who could it be? http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue3.htm How is this aerial attached to the chimney? Bill Bill |
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"martin willmott" wrote in message
... On 11 Feb, 03:52, " wrote: http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill Firstly there are 4 bolts although the one does appear to be missing and yes you are right I forgot to tape the f connector, but then it is solid cable, not air spaced. The house is surrounded by high trees, there was no option but to put it on the chimney, so you never forget to tape a plug, you never under any circumstances bolt a dish to a chimney, well I wish I was as f**king perfect as you! How about getting a life instead of nit picking at others, I guarantee all my work, I honour every single guarantee, promptly, recalls are rare but I bet even you mr perfect get one or two? Up yours! I'd wouldn't use you now. I'd be scared to shout and swear at me if I pointed out something I didn't approve of. A good aerial installation can easily last 30 years. Do you provide 30 years guarantee? Why do you use file names beginning "rouge" for web pages with pictures of your own work? -- Brian Gregory. (In the UK) To email me remove the letter vee. |
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"IanT" wrote in message
... "martin willmott" wrote in message ... On 11 Feb, 03:52, " wrote: http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill Firstly there are 4 bolts although the one does appear to be missing and yes you are right I forgot to tape the f connector, but then it is solid cable, not air spaced. The house is surrounded by high trees, there was no option but to put it on the chimney, so you never forget to tape a plug, you never under any circumstances bolt a dish to a chimney, well I wish I was as f**king perfect as you! How about getting a life instead of nit picking at others, I guarantee all my work, I honour every single guarantee, promptly, recalls are rare but I bet even you mr perfect get one or two? Up yours! Unfortunately some people spend a lot of time slagging others off in this group. Bill often goes on about going out to correct aerial installations and how a lot of people are cowboys. What he has NEVER done is name any company he claims have corrected work for. Not The absurd laws in this country as they are at the moment mean he is wise not to name and shame. once has he said anything about work installed by other companies because they would sue him. I don't believe how perfect Bill is either, he sounds like he wants everyone to think he is. We are all still waiting for the many names of companies that have installed unsuitable equipment that Bill has charged to "correct". I think it will be funny to see someone we all know about on ROGUE TRADERS! Let's see how perfect those claiming to be really are. One day Bill, you will upset the wrong people. -- Brian Gregory. (In the UK) To email me remove the letter vee. |
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Bill
How ironic compared with his comments he http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue7.htm A strange site. Some good advice and a couple of nice looking jobs, but also some nonsense, botchery and a bit scathing about log periodic aerials. Well log periodic do have their uses but they're not good for weak signal areas. Whilst I would agree that they don't have the gain of a Yagi, they are useful around here even in weak signal areas as channel allocation runs from C21 to C63. I have ended up with a better balance of levels by using a LP and low noise amplifier, rather than a wideband Yagi with very low gain at C21. |
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"martin willmott" wrote in message
... On 11 Feb, 03:52, " wrote: http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill Firstly there are 4 bolts although the one does appear to be missing and yes you are right I forgot to tape the f connector, but then it is solid cable, not air spaced. The house is surrounded by high trees, there was no option but to put it on the chimney, so you never forget to tape a plug, you never under any circumstances bolt a dish to a chimney, well I wish I was as f**king perfect as you! How about getting a life instead of nit picking at others, I guarantee all my work, I honour every single guarantee, promptly, recalls are rare but I bet even you mr perfect get one or two? Up yours! Stones and glass houses comes to mind. Your site has other examples of unsatisfactory work such as long thin masts on chimneys, and insufficient lashings. If you did indeed substitute a dish because the long mast and preamp was not good enough then why did you leave the leave the dodgy mast in situ? Peter Crosland |
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On 12 Feb, "Doctor D" wrote: Whilst I would agree that they don't have the gain of a Yagi, they are useful around here even in weak signal areas as channel allocation runs from C21 to C63. I have ended up with a better balance of levels by using a LP and low noise amplifier, rather than a wideband Yagi with very low gain at C21. I've recently replaced my loft aerial, a supposedly high gain contract yagi with an external log (and new feeder), as after DSO a group A is not enough. There is more signal from the log, allowing me to dispense with the distribution amp and substitute a 4 way splitter, retaining a decoding margin of over 18dB with the current low power MUXs. Field strength is good, I'm about 12 miles LOS from a 500kw main station. Slight ghosting was a problem with the analogue. I haven't looked too closely since I changed the aerial but it's no worse. Remember that roofing material can attenuate signals to a very significant extent. In upper band V it can easily be a 20dB loss. Red concrete roof tile, widely used in the 60s, 70s and 80s, go their colour from iron oxide (aka rust). many modern roof tiles have metal reinforcing layer inside. And if teh roff inslation has metal foil involved ....... -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 |
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"Doctor D" wrote in message
... Bill How ironic compared with his comments he http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue7.htm A strange site. Some good advice and a couple of nice looking jobs, but also some nonsense, botchery and a bit scathing about log periodic aerials. Well log periodic do have their uses but they're not good for weak signal areas. Whilst I would agree that they don't have the gain of a Yagi, they are useful around here even in weak signal areas as channel allocation runs from C21 to C63. I have ended up with a better balance of levels by using a LP and low noise amplifier, rather than a wideband Yagi with very low gain at C21. You are right, I hadn't thought of that. Also I'm amazed that one transmitter is using such widely spaces channels. -- Brian Gregory. (In the UK) To email me remove the letter vee. |
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How ironic compared with his comments he http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue7.htm A strange site. Some good advice and a couple of nice looking jobs, but also some nonsense, botchery and a bit scathing about log periodic aerials. Well log periodic do have their uses but they're not good for weak signal areas. Whilst I would agree that they don't have the gain of a Yagi, they are useful around here even in weak signal areas as channel allocation runs from C21 to C63. I have ended up with a better balance of levels by using a LP and low noise amplifier, rather than a wideband Yagi with very low gain at C21. You are right, I hadn't thought of that. Also I'm amazed that one transmitter is using such widely spaces channels. We've got two using a ridiculous spread. Lark Stoke 21-60 and Ridge Hill 22-63. |
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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:15:59 -0800 (PST), martin willmott
wrote: A "fallen analogue aerial". http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue1.htm Well done. It takes a real pro to distinguish analogue and digital yagis from ground level. |
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On Feb 12, 11:21*am, "Doctor D" wrote:
How ironic compared with his comments he http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue7.htm A strange site. Some good advice and a couple of nice looking jobs, but also some nonsense, botchery and a bit scathing about log periodic aerials. Well log periodic do have their uses but they're not good for weak signal areas. Whilst I would agree that they don't have the gain of a Yagi, they are useful around here even in weak signal areas as channel allocation runs from C21 to C63. I have ended up with a better balance of levels by using a LP and low noise amplifier, rather than a wideband Yagi with very low gain at C21.. You are right, I hadn't thought of that. Also I'm amazed that one transmitter is using such widely spaces channels. We've got two using a ridiculous spread. Lark Stoke 21-60 and Ridge Hill 22-63.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Can anyone beat Crosspool: 21 to 67? Bill |
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... wrote: Can anyone beat Crosspool: 21 to 67? Bressay, 21-68 DTT 21, 24, 31, 27, 66, 68 Ana 22, 25, 28, 32 I had my money on you coming up with a suitable contender Mark! |
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On 11 Feb, 21:26, charles wrote:
In article , * *martin willmott wrote: On 11 Feb, 03:52, " wrote: http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill Firstly there are 4 bolts although the one does appear to be missing and yes you are right I forgot to tape the f connector, but then it is solid cable, not air spaced. how does that stop corrostion of the screen connection? -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 like I said, I forgot the tape! Have you never forgotten anything? It happens! if there is a problem I will fix it! wtf is this? you bored? With all the problems in the world today all you concern yourself with is a bit of missing tape! Grow up and get a life! |
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, martin willmott wrote: On 11 Feb, 21:26, charles wrote: In article , martin willmott wrote: On 11 Feb, 03:52, " wrote: http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill Firstly there are 4 bolts although the one does appear to be missing and yes you are right I forgot to tape the f connector, but then it is solid cable, not air spaced. how does that stop corrostion of the screen connection? -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 like I said, I forgot the tape! but then you implied it didn't matter because the cable had a solid inner. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 |
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"martin willmott" wrote in message
news:cc7fe93c-da64-427c-bd50- like I said, I forgot the tape! Have you never forgotten anything? It happens! if there is a problem I will fix it! wtf is this? you bored? With all the problems in the world today all you concern yourself with is a bit of missing tape! Grow up and get a life! Martin, I'm just a bystander in this debate, and I'm not a professional aerial rigger. But as a bystander and (for all you know) a potential customer, I've got to say that your stroppy and defensive reactions really create a very poor impression and are VERY unprofessional. All you needed to say was "Good call, Bill, thank you. It's an oversight on my part and I'll put it right. Thanks for pointing it out." Instead you said ".....I wish I was as f**king perfect as you! How about getting a life instead of nit picking at others.....". Have you ANY idea how bad that sounds, coming from a professional aerial rigging company? Oh, just a little thing which has been pointed out already: all your examples of *good* work are shown on pages with 'rogue' in the URL. This looks odd, and I suggest you split out the rogue examples and photos of your own work into two separate areas of the website, so viewers don't get confused. SteveT |
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:11:22 -0000, "Steve Thackery"
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"martin willmott" wrote in message news:cc7fe93c-da64-427c-bd50- like I said, I forgot the tape! Have you never forgotten anything? It happens! if there is a problem I will fix it! wtf is this? you bored? With all the problems in the world today all you concern yourself with is a bit of missing tape! Grow up and get a life! The point is though Martin, that bit of missing 'water proof' amalgam tape can mean that even the slightest ingress of water into a voltage carrying connector can within a few months become a corroded mass of Verdigris, something I've seen on a number of occasions, and as you seem to be the kind of fellow who wouldn't charge a customer a call out fee to correct a problem that was your doing, then I would have thought that 'not forgetting' would obviously save the customer hassle and yourself the wasted time and expense of a unnecessary call out. |
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On 12/02/2010 3:32 PM, martin willmott wrote:
On 11 Feb, 21:26, wrote: In article , martin wrote: On 11 Feb, 03:52, m wrote: http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm Bill Firstly there are 4 bolts although the one does appear to be missing and yes you are right I forgot to tape the f connector, but then it is solid cable, not air spaced. how does that stop corrostion of the screen connection? -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 like I said, I forgot the tape! Have you never forgotten anything? It happens! if there is a problem I will fix it! wtf is this? you bored? With all the problems in the world today all you concern yourself with is a bit of missing tape! Grow up and get a life! I would have thought that it would have been preferable to have thanked Bill for pointing out the error, then return to the customer and correcting the missing tape and clips. That would have been better than continuing to dig the hole you are in even deeper. Think of the number of plus points that could have earned you. Customer recommendations will gain you far more work than a poorly thought-out website........... |
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I would have thought that it would have been preferable to have thanked Bill for pointing out the error, then return to the customer and correcting the missing tape and clips. That would have been better than continuing to dig the hole you are in even deeper. Think of the number of plus points that could have earned you. I quite agree. Whilst we are nit picking, (and I was trying not to but you seemed to be asking for it), one of my first ways of spotting a suspect job is to look for an untaped F plug. It often means one that no one bothered to tighten up with a spanner as well as they were in too much of a hurry. (Just look at the dishes installed by the biggest installer of all!) Just looking at this pic: http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue6.htm The clues to me would be: 1) The cable tie attaching the amp has not been trimmed. 2) The taping would be much neater if it were equally spaced. 3) The lashing wire looks pretty untidy wound back along its length. |
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On Feb 13, 12:25*am, widgitt wrote:
Just looking at this pic:http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue6.htm The clues to me would be: 1) The cable tie attaching the amp has not been trimmed. 2) The taping would be much neater if it were equally spaced. 3) The lashing wire looks pretty untidy wound back along its length. Yes, the tape on the mast is too far apart. I used to do it like that for years then I realised that it needed to be closer. I agree with Martin that it's a good idea to put some tape right around the amp, as well as use the cable tie. All too often the ties break. I also agree with the position of the chimney bracket. People often put them on the top three courses but these little chimneys aren't strong enough for that. The amp is in a good place, low enough to avoid any fumes from the gas flue. I don't like the way the cable comes off the bottom of the mast and runs down the roof. It's likely to move slightly in the wind and rub on a tile edge. It's far better to take the cable to a J bolt, secure it there, then clip to the masonry where appropriate, then fix to the lead flashing. Fix in a position where the cable is in one of the low points of the tile. These low points run straight down the roof and if the cable is in one and is fixed at top and bottom it won't move around. We're very helpful in this group Martin. Bill |
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s.com, widgitt scribeth thus I would have thought that it would have been preferable to have thanked Bill for pointing out the error, then return to the customer and correcting the missing tape and clips. That would have been better than continuing to dig the hole you are in even deeper. Think of the number of plus points that could have earned you. I quite agree. Whilst we are nit picking, (and I was trying not to but you seemed to be asking for it), one of my first ways of spotting a suspect job is to look for an untaped F plug. Theres a large CCTV system around here that uses microwave and UHF radio links for control. On the main site there are a lot of aerial assemblies that use BNC plugs. Not one of them has anything around it!!.. Suppose it keeps the maintenance guys in a job;!... -- Tony Sayer |
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-GB-Carpy wrote:
I can't seem to find the picture with the unprotected F connector? Has it been removed now? The page with the image has been removed, but the image itself still lurks there. http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/images/40.jpg |
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:03:50 -0800, explained:
All too often the ties break. Is this primarily due to degradation from sun light and UV irradiation? |
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-GB-Carpy wrote:
I can't seem to find the picture with the unprotected F connector? Has it been removed now? Still there. http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/rogue9.htm -- Adrian |
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On Feb 13, 1:56*pm, J G Miller wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:03:50 -0800, explained: All too often the ties break. Is this primarily due to degradation from sun light and UV irradiation? Not much in the way of plastics that can survive the British weather, but yes sunlight on plastic makes it very brittle over time and prone to splitting and cracking. Any movement (due to wind and alighting crows) will definitely cause breakage. |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message ... -GB-Carpy wrote: I can't seem to find the picture with the unprotected F connector? Has it been removed now? The page with the image has been removed, but the image itself still lurks there. http://www.buckbyaerials.co.uk/images/40.jpg Oh yes - thanks for that. Certainly looks like 3 bolts to me! Thunderbolts are perfect if you really have to drill into brickwork as they don't rely on expamsion and won't split the bricks. I wasn't sure about them at first, but wouldn't use anything else now. They really are perfect for fixing Sky dishes to brickwork! |
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:01:23 -0800, Mike wrote:
On Feb 13, 1:56Â*pm, J G Miller wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:03:50 -0800, explained: All too often the ties break. Is this primarily due to degradation from sun light and UV irradiation? Not much in the way of plastics that can survive the British weather, but yes sunlight on plastic makes it very brittle over time and prone to splitting and cracking. Any movement (due to wind and alighting crows) will definitely cause breakage. So would it not be better not to use plastic cable ties and to use something more suitable, perhaps some form of cable tie in metal form or other material? |
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I suppose black ties would be better than white ones.
-- Brian Gregory. (In the UK) To email me remove the letter vee. |
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