Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

So Joe Public will or about to find out his HD Ready TV will not get the HD
channels on his TV with the tick on.
I have today been quoted £150/180 for a Freeview HD box.

Do you experts think a TV with Freeview built in could have parts added or
changed to make it get HD Freeview channels?
Regards
David

Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

Hi there, most but not all of the TVs with built in Freeviewthat have
been sold in the last little while sadly cannot decode the HD
channels.

However there are a few that have full hd with built in freeview that
are also capable of decoding HD channels without the need of another
freeview hd decoder or a freesat hd box

I have an LG M2262 which makes this possible.

What you need to look for in the specs is MPEG 4 capability (normal
freeview is MPEG 2).

I am not an expert but i believe TVs that double up as PC monitors are
the more likely to have this capability (LG and SONY are two - there
may be more)

Hoping this helps as the freeview hd decoders are likely to stay at an
inflated price until 2012 when the full digital tv switchover will be
completed.

Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:05:18 +0000, David wrote:

Do you experts think a TV with Freeview built in could have parts added
or changed to make it get HD Freeview channels?

No, because not only does it need a DVB-t2 tuner, it also needs
the necessary capabilities in software to decode MPEG-4 (as
well as MPEG-2 from the DVB-t transmission.)

Of course, the "parts added" which will make it display HD Freeview
channels are in fact in the form of a DVB-t2 MPEG-4 digital
converter box connected via the HDMI input. ;)

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On Jan 29, 9:19*pm, J G Miller wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:05:18 +0000, David wrote:
Do you experts think a TV with Freeview built in could have parts added
or changed to make it get HD Freeview channels?

No, because not only does it need a DVB-t2 tuner, it also needs
the necessary capabilities in software to decode MPEG-4 (as
well as MPEG-2 from the DVB-t transmission.)

Of course, the "parts added" which will make it display HD Freeview
channels are in fact in the form of a DVB-t2 MPEG-4 digital
converter box connected via the HDMI input. *;)

Wouldn't it be nice if TV's could connect to something similar to a
PCI card so you could choose which tuner you wanted? But that would be
FAR too sensible and rob manufacturers of valuable replacement TV
income.

Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

camden23 wrote:
Hi there, most but not all of the TVs with built in Freeviewthat have
been sold in the last little while sadly cannot decode the HD
channels.

However there are a few that have full hd with built in freeview that
are also capable of decoding HD channels without the need of another
freeview hd decoder or a freesat hd box

I have an LG M2262 which makes this possible.

What you need to look for in the specs is MPEG 4 capability (normal
freeview is MPEG 2).

I am not an expert but i believe TVs that double up as PC monitors are
the more likely to have this capability (LG and SONY are two - there
may be more)

Hoping this helps as the freeview hd decoders are likely to stay at an
inflated price until 2012 when the full digital tv switchover will be
completed.

If you think you will be able to get Freeview HD without a separate box
then you will disappointed. If you were told that when you bought it
then you were lied too.

--
Adrian

Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

On 29/01/2010 21:21, Mike wrote:
On Jan 29, 9:19 pm, J G wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:05:18 +0000, David wrote:
Do you experts think a TV with Freeview built in could have parts added
or changed to make it get HD Freeview channels?

No, because not only does it need a DVB-t2 tuner, it also needs
the necessary capabilities in software to decode MPEG-4 (as
well as MPEG-2 from the DVB-t transmission.)

Of course, the "parts added" which will make it display HD Freeview
channels are in fact in the form of a DVB-t2 MPEG-4 digital
converter box connected via the HDMI input. ;)

Wouldn't it be nice if TV's could connect to something similar to a
PCI card so you could choose which tuner you wanted? But that would be
FAR too sensible and rob manufacturers of valuable replacement TV
income.
Yes it's called MythTV and a barebones thing like this

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/180688

Made it up myself and do intend to do some testing with DVB-T2 from
Winter Hill soon. Will post results when I have some.

Rob.

Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

Mike wrote:

Wouldn't it be nice if TV's could connect to something similar to a
PCI card so you could choose which tuner you wanted? But that would be
FAR too sensible and rob manufacturers of valuable replacement TV
income.


only Loewe provides built in cards for dvbt dvbs etc


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"David" wrote in message
...
So Joe Public will or about to find out his HD Ready TV will not get the
HD channels on his TV with the tick on.
I have today been quoted £150/180 for a Freeview HD box.

Do you experts think a TV with Freeview built in could have parts added or
changed to make it get HD Freeview channels?
Regards
David

Argos are advertising "Freeview HD" TVs in their latest catalogue, hardly
any
difference in price to current models.
HD is a scam anyway. I have tried it out on a 42" TV with SKY HD on a
number
of programmes. The only difference is enhanced contrast, sharper focusing
and
concentrating on things longer so you notice the saturated colours! I can't
see
any difference apart from colour and contrast compared with normal SKY and
Freeview. I can alter the settings on normal TV and use the sharpness
control to
make any picture look like HD. It is one big con and not worth the money.
Programmes for HD are filmed with better quality lenses - that's all.
For a 42" TV you would need to sit within 5ft to notice any difference,
which
is inconvenient.

Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

David wrote:

So Joe Public will or about to find out his HD Ready TV will not get the
HD channels on his TV with the tick on.
I have today been quoted £150/180 for a Freeview HD box.


In France around 100 euros, but in the "soldes" here and there 50.

Philips 150.


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"Adrian" wrote in message
om...
camden23 wrote:
Hi there, most but not all of the TVs with built in Freeviewthat have
been sold in the last little while sadly cannot decode the HD
channels.

However there are a few that have full hd with built in freeview that
are also capable of decoding HD channels without the need of another
freeview hd decoder or a freesat hd box

I have an LG M2262 which makes this possible.

What you need to look for in the specs is MPEG 4 capability (normal
freeview is MPEG 2).

I am not an expert but i believe TVs that double up as PC monitors are
the more likely to have this capability (LG and SONY are two - there
may be more)

Hoping this helps as the freeview hd decoders are likely to stay at an
inflated price until 2012 when the full digital tv switchover will be
completed.

If you think you will be able to get Freeview HD without a separate box
then you will disappointed. If you were told that when you bought it then
you were lied too.

--
Adrian

I would love to see you challenge Argos - they are advertising Freeview HD
TVs. When you complain to the ASA post the complaint reference number and
let us
all know how you get on.

Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:21:45 -0800, Mike wrote:

Wouldn't it be nice if TV's could connect to something similar to a PCI
card so you could choose which tuner you wanted?

Yes, that would be a really good thing.

Or the next best thing available at the moment, an external box
(SCART and HDMI connections) with space for more than one tuner
module.

In this context without wishing to sound like a blatant plug,
may I point to the AZbox and equivalent products?

Hopefully they will have the good sense to make a DVB-t2 tuner
model available in the not too distant future.

Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:08:12 +0000, BrushHead wrote:

Made it up myself and do intend to do some testing with DVB-T2 from
Winter Hill soon.

Did you buy the DekTec PCI-Express card?

http://www.dektec.com/Products/PCIe/DTA-2135-T2/index.asp

If not, when will you be getting a DVB-T2 card or USB box, and from
which supplier?

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Op Vrijdag, 29 Jan 2010 23:53:58 +0100, Dag Weers schreef:

In France around 100 euros, but in the "soldes" here and there 50.

Philips 150.

They do have MPEG-4 (for HD) decoding as well as MPEG-2, but they only
have DVB-t tuners, *not* DVB-t2 tuners.

There are no DVB-t2 tuners available for domestic reception yet.

These will start to appear in March 2010, and only on sale in the
UKofGB&NI, until other countries start to introduce DVB-t2 transmissions.

Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

"IanT" wrote in message
...

"David" wrote in message
...
So Joe Public will or about to find out his HD Ready TV will not get the
HD channels on his TV with the tick on.
I have today been quoted £150/180 for a Freeview HD box.

Do you experts think a TV with Freeview built in could have parts added
or changed to make it get HD Freeview channels?
Regards
David

Argos are advertising "Freeview HD" TVs in their latest catalogue, hardly
any
difference in price to current models.
HD is a scam anyway. I have tried it out on a 42" TV with SKY HD on a
number
of programmes. The only difference is enhanced contrast, sharper focusing
and
concentrating on things longer so you notice the saturated colours! I
can't see
any difference apart from colour and contrast compared with normal SKY and
Freeview. I can alter the settings on normal TV and use the sharpness
control to
make any picture look like HD. It is one big con and not worth the money.
Programmes for HD are filmed with better quality lenses - that's all.
For a 42" TV you would need to sit within 5ft to notice any difference,
which
is inconvenient.



yadayadayada yyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

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In article , Brushhead
wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice if TV's could connect to something similar to a
PCI card so you could choose which tuner you wanted? But that would be
FAR too sensible and rob manufacturers of valuable replacement TV
income.
Yes it's called MythTV and a barebones thing like this

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/180688

Made it up myself and do intend to do some testing with DVB-T2 from
Winter Hill soon. Will post results when I have some.

That's a novelty - a PC built into a TV screen, but I suppose somebody was
bound to do it. It'll be interesting to know how well this works. Where
does all the computer stuff go - is there a big lump at the back?

I'm still collecting parts for a slightly more conventional version of
essentially the same thing - just a fast computer based on a motherboard
with an HDMI output and built into a nice looking horizontal case that
will sit with the other PVRs and the hi-fi stuff. I've looked at MythTV,
XBMC, and the Media Centre program built into Windows 7, and it seems any
of them, and several more, will do the job. Some of them will run on Linux
too, so there's plenty of scope for experiment. Depending on how much this
proves cabable of doing, I may eventually be able to get rid of quite a
few other boxes.

Rod.
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In article ,
David wrote:
So Joe Public will or about to find out his HD Ready TV will not get the
HD channels on his TV with the tick on. I have today been quoted
£150/180 for a Freeview HD box.

Do you experts think a TV with Freeview built in could have parts added
or changed to make it get HD Freeview channels?

Just about anything is possible, but why would a maker do this when all
they want to do is sell you a new set?

--
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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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NO.
Brian

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"David" wrote in message
...
So Joe Public will or about to find out his HD Ready TV will not get the
HD channels on his TV with the tick on.
I have today been quoted £150/180 for a Freeview HD box.

Do you experts think a TV with Freeview built in could have parts added or
changed to make it get HD Freeview channels?
Regards
David

Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

Yes indeed, all the waiting has been because they did not use a system that
conventional chips can handle, so now the chips are around, its yet another
bloody box.

What great foresight and planning.. Oh, Sorry, I forgot, this is all
deliberate to make sure nobody ever has to NOT buy a new device.

Brian

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"Adrian" wrote in message
om...
camden23 wrote:
Hi there, most but not all of the TVs with built in Freeviewthat have
been sold in the last little while sadly cannot decode the HD
channels.

However there are a few that have full hd with built in freeview that
are also capable of decoding HD channels without the need of another
freeview hd decoder or a freesat hd box

I have an LG M2262 which makes this possible.

What you need to look for in the specs is MPEG 4 capability (normal
freeview is MPEG 2).

I am not an expert but i believe TVs that double up as PC monitors are
the more likely to have this capability (LG and SONY are two - there
may be more)

Hoping this helps as the freeview hd decoders are likely to stay at an
inflated price until 2012 when the full digital tv switchover will be
completed.

If you think you will be able to get Freeview HD without a separate box
then you will disappointed. If you were told that when you bought it then
you were lied too.

--
Adrian

Now we have or about to have Freeview HD
 

On 30 Jan., 01:58, J G Miller wrote:
These will start to appear in March 2010, and only on sale in the
UKofGB&NI, until other countries start to introduce DVB-t2 transmissions.


And other countries will follow - some very soon.

Finland has licensed 2 DVB-T2 HD muxes in June 2009 and
for two more the application deadline was mid December 2009
and they will be granted within weeks.

Sveden - The Radio- and TV authority will require
new MUX licenses to use MPEG-4 and transmit with
DVB-T2. Final consultation is running now and
first MUX expected to be operational sometime
this year.

Lars :)

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"IanT" wrote:

"Adrian" wrote in message

If you think you will be able to get Freeview HD without a separate box
then you will disappointed. If you were told that when you bought it then
you were lied too.

I would love to see you challenge Argos - they are advertising Freeview HD
TVs. When you complain to the ASA post the complaint reference number and
let us all know how you get on.

That looked suspiciously like sarcasm, suggesting that you really believe
that these sets will be able to receive Freeview HD. They will not. They
don't have the necessary DVB-T2 tuner -- just the old DVB-T tuner for SD
Freeview. They can are only display an HD signal provided by an external
box. Thus these TVs have Freeview *and* HD, but not "Freeview HD". Or
were you confusing Freeview HD with Freesat HD?

--
Dave Farrance

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In article ,
Dave Farrance wrote:

I would love to see you challenge Argos - they are advertising Freeview HD
TVs. When you complain to the ASA post the complaint reference number and
let us all know how you get on.

That looked suspiciously like sarcasm, suggesting that you really believe
that these sets will be able to receive Freeview HD. They will not.

No, they are advertising the new Sony Freeview HD televisions, which
will be "available March 2010". See page 358 of their catalogue.

-- Richard
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Richard Tobin wrote:
In article ,
Dave Farrance wrote:

I would love to see you challenge Argos - they are advertising Freeview HD
TVs. When you complain to the ASA post the complaint reference number and
let us all know how you get on.

That looked suspiciously like sarcasm, suggesting that you really believe
that these sets will be able to receive Freeview HD. They will not.

No, they are advertising the new Sony Freeview HD televisions, which
will be "available March 2010". See page 358 of their catalogue.

In fact look a little deeper and you discover the following Sony DVB-T2 TV
sets coming in March :-

26EX302 26 inch model (1366 x 768 res though) 480 Quid P346
32EX403 32 inch model 1920 X 1080 600 Quid P351
32EX503 32 inch model 1920 X 1080 700 Quid P352
37EX403 37 inch model 1920 X 1080 700 Quid P358
32EX503 32 inch model 1920 X 1080 800 Quid P358

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On 31 Jan 2010 15:20:58 GMT, (Richard Tobin)
wrote:

In article ,
Dave Farrance wrote:

I would love to see you challenge Argos - they are advertising Freeview HD
TVs. When you complain to the ASA post the complaint reference number and
let us all know how you get on.

That looked suspiciously like sarcasm, suggesting that you really believe
that these sets will be able to receive Freeview HD. They will not.

No, they are advertising the new Sony Freeview HD televisions, which
will be "available March 2010". See page 358 of their catalogue.

The only Freeview HD items on the Argos website are the Humax HD-FOX T2
and the Bush DVB680 which are not yet in stock.

There is one mis-described box: "Panasonic DMR-XS350EB-K HD Freeview+
DVD Recorder". It is actually a Freesat device which is made clear in
the details (even if mis-spelled) "Twin freestat tuner".

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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Mark Carver wrote:

32EX503 32 inch model 1920 X 1080 800 Quid P358

Correction

Make that last one:-

37EX503 37 inch model 1920 X 1080 800 Quid P358




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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On 31 Jan

There is one mis-described box: "Panasonic DMR-XS350EB-K HD Freeview+
DVD Recorder". It is actually a Freesat device which is made clear in
the details (even if mis-spelled) "Twin freestat tuner".


http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...+DMR-XS350EB-K

Regards
David

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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Make that last one:-

37EX503 37 inch model 1920 X 1080 800 Quid P358

Hmm... I think I'll wait for the Sony KDL-40LX903 which not only has
Freeview HD but also 3D in HD (with shuttered glasses). Sometime this
summer...

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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
om...
Yes indeed, all the waiting has been because they did not use a system
that conventional chips can handle, so now the chips are around, its yet
another bloody box.

What great foresight and planning.. Oh, Sorry, I forgot, this is all
deliberate to make sure nobody ever has to NOT buy a new device.

Actually, in this instance, nobody HAS to buy a new device, and a bet an
awful lot of people will not be buying

tim