ITV3 Running Late
 

Many viewers like me will have noticed that ITV3 programme schedules
do not run to time. They over run by 2 minutes at the top of the hour.
It is not correct for a TV channel not to start and end broadcasts at
the advertised time. Just last Sunday I was watching 'Super Sleuths'
on ITV3 devoted to Colin Dexter and to 'Morse'. Allegedly the
programme ran from 20.00hrs to 21.00hrs and on BBC 1 at 21.00 I wanted
to see the adaption of Henning Mankell's 'Wallander'. Fortunately the
correct time is displayed on my satellite receiver and on my VHS
recorder. These two digital clocks reminded me that I had to abandon
the end of the ITV3 programme in order to catch the opening scenes of
Wallander. Had I continued watching ITV3 to the end of the programme I
would have missed the start of the BBC 1 schedule; indeed all
broadcaster's schedules. It was not isolated event. I am noticing that
habitually ITV3 is currently starting programmes 2 minutes late. Can
someone advise them to adjust their transmissions so that they start
and finish at the correct time? It does seem to be the most basic task
for any programme controller to check!

ITV3 Running Late
 

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:23:20 -0800 (PST), galaxyguy
wrote:

Many viewers like me will have noticed that ITV3 programme schedules
do not run to time.

Do any channels run to time? On the last 'Points of View' the BBC
were criticised (what again !) on their timing. One viewer mentioned
the infamous 'One Show', which usually begins three minutes early. (I
had to change the default 2 min start padding to 4 minutes on my Toppy
to catch this one).

Unsurprisingly the BBC reply was that 'although every effort is made
to ensure that programmes run to time, there may be the odd occasion
where a programme will slip BY A FEW SECONDS.'

Can't ever remember watching a' Last Night of the Proms' which didn't
seriously over-run. They must be aware of this one by now.

Surely programmes could be made to run correctly - the broadcasting
authorities have enough programme adverts which can be used as padding
to ensure this. On the other hand these adverts seen more important
than the programmes themselves.

GrahamC

ITV3 Running Late
 

On 12 Jan, 12:03, Graham C wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:23:20 -0800 (PST), galaxyguy

wrote:
Many viewers like me will have noticed that ITV3 programme schedules
do not run to time.

Do any channels run to time? *On the last 'Points of View' the BBC
were criticised (what again !) on their timing. *One viewer mentioned
the infamous 'One Show', which usually begins three minutes early. (I
had to change the default 2 min start padding to 4 minutes on my Toppy
to catch this one).

Unsurprisingly the BBC reply was that 'although every effort is made
to ensure that programmes run to time, there may be the odd occasion
where a programme will slip BY A FEW SECONDS.'

That's quite funny - nice to see them blatantly lying. Things like The
One Show are competitively scheduled to the second - there's a running
order accessible inside the BBC which lists the real start times. It's
pre-planned and intentional - not the result of some unforeseen
"slip". This has been discussed in this group several times.

FWIW, if you have a compatible PVR, the BBC does send out a signal
just before the start of each programme telling it to start recording.
The timing of this signal is accurate to within a second or so - our
recordings always start at the same moment of the BBC station ident
immediately before the programme itself, no matter how early or late
the programme is.


Watching live TV, looking at the time on the clock of a VHS machine
etc - sounds like the 20th century. We're in 2010 now. ;-)

Still, broadcasters should run to published time, and most importantly
should keep their programmes _within_ the specified time slot. It
would allow owners of PVRs to know how many programmes they can
schedule simultaneously, back-to-back, without having to worry about
one channel finishing after the hour, while another starts before the
hour, so requiring an extra tuner which may not be available.

Cheers,
David.

ITV3 Running Late
 

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:22:45 -0800 (PST),
"
wrote:

FWIW, if you have a compatible PVR, the BBC does send out a signal
just before the start of each programme telling it to start recording.
The timing of this signal is accurate to within a second or so - our
recordings always start at the same moment of the BBC station ident
immediately before the programme itself, no matter how early or late
the programme is.

In my experience the BBC always send the start recording signals at
the correct time. Some other channels are not so reliable.

Steve

--
Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com

Neural network applications, help and support.

ITV3 Running Late
 

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:22:45 -0800 (PST),
" wrote:

On 12 Jan, 12:03, Graham C wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:23:20 -0800 (PST), galaxyguy

wrote:
Many viewers like me will have noticed that ITV3 programme schedules
do not run to time.

Do any channels run to time? *On the last 'Points of View' the BBC
were criticised (what again !) on their timing. *One viewer mentioned
the infamous 'One Show', which usually begins three minutes early. (I
had to change the default 2 min start padding to 4 minutes on my Toppy
to catch this one).

Unsurprisingly the BBC reply was that 'although every effort is made
to ensure that programmes run to time, there may be the odd occasion
where a programme will slip BY A FEW SECONDS.'

That's quite funny - nice to see them blatantly lying. Things like The
One Show are competitively scheduled to the second - there's a running
order accessible inside the BBC which lists the real start times. It's
pre-planned and intentional - not the result of some unforeseen
"slip". This has been discussed in this group several times.

FWIW, if you have a compatible PVR, the BBC does send out a signal
just before the start of each programme telling it to start recording.
The timing of this signal is accurate to within a second or so - our
recordings always start at the same moment of the BBC station ident
immediately before the programme itself, no matter how early or late
the programme is.

Sometime last year, I think it was, ITV were sending the start signal
for each programme at the beginning of the adverts preceding the
programme which was typically two minutes or so before the advertised
start time of the programmme. If a show was advertised to start at 21:00
the start signal would be transmitted at about 20:58. The show would
then start at, say, 21:03. This sometimes resulted in incomplete
recordings of programmes on non-ITV channels. I think ITV have stopped
doing this.

Watching live TV, looking at the time on the clock of a VHS machine
etc - sounds like the 20th century. We're in 2010 now. ;-)

Still, broadcasters should run to published time, and most importantly
should keep their programmes _within_ the specified time slot. It
would allow owners of PVRs to know how many programmes they can
schedule simultaneously, back-to-back, without having to worry about
one channel finishing after the hour, while another starts before the
hour, so requiring an extra tuner which may not be available.

Cheers,
David.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

ITV3 Running Late
 

Graham C wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:23:20 -0800 (PST), galaxyguy
wrote:

Many viewers like me will have noticed that ITV3 programme schedules
do not run to time.

Do any channels run to time? On the last 'Points of View' the BBC
were criticised (what again !) on their timing. One viewer mentioned
the infamous 'One Show', which usually begins three minutes early. (I
had to change the default 2 min start padding to 4 minutes on my Toppy
to catch this one).

Unsurprisingly the BBC reply was that 'although every effort is made
to ensure that programmes run to time, there may be the odd occasion
where a programme will slip BY A FEW SECONDS.'
[...]

At least with the BBC, or you not able to request the actual times under the
FoI act.

--
http://www.mailtrap.org.uk/

ITV3 Running Late
 

On 12 Jan, 12:41, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:22:45 -0800 (PST),
"
wrote:

FWIW, if you have a compatible PVR, the BBC does send out a signal
just before the start of each programme telling it to start recording.
The timing of this signal is accurate to within a second or so - our
recordings always start at the same moment of the BBC station ident
immediately before the programme itself, no matter how early or late
the programme is.

In my experience the BBC always send the start recording signals at
the correct time. Some other channels are not so reliable.

Yes - channel five is a disaster.

Cheers,
David.

ITV3 Running Late
 

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:59:22 -0800 (PST),
"
wrote:

On 12 Jan, 12:41, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:22:45 -0800 (PST),
"
wrote:

FWIW, if you have a compatible PVR, the BBC does send out a signal
just before the start of each programme telling it to start recording.
The timing of this signal is accurate to within a second or so - our
recordings always start at the same moment of the BBC station ident
immediately before the programme itself, no matter how early or late
the programme is.

In my experience the BBC always send the start recording signals at
the correct time. Some other channels are not so reliable.

Yes - channel five is a disaster.


I recorded a series on Five USA but I shouldn't have bothered. The
first of the series is the only one I have attempted to watch and it
started about 10 minutes into the program.

Steve

--
Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com

Neural network applications, help and support.

ITV3 Running Late
 

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:33:21 +0000
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
I recorded a series on Five USA but I shouldn't have bothered. The
first of the series is the only one I have attempted to watch and it
started about 10 minutes into the program.

I don't know why they don't sort themselves out. A huge number of people
time shift TV programs and if Five can't fix the mismatch between their
EPG and the actual programs then they'll just lose viewers and eventually
advertising revenue.

B2003

ITV3 Running Late
 

"galaxyguy" wrote in message
...
Many viewers like me will have noticed that ITV3 programme schedules
do not run to time. They over run by 2 minutes at the top of the hour.
It is not correct for a TV channel not to start and end broadcasts at
the advertised time. Just last Sunday I was watching 'Super Sleuths'
on ITV3 devoted to Colin Dexter and to 'Morse'. Allegedly the
programme ran from 20.00hrs to 21.00hrs and on BBC 1 at 21.00 I wanted
to see the adaption of Henning Mankell's 'Wallander'. Fortunately the
correct time is displayed on my satellite receiver and on my VHS
recorder. These two digital clocks reminded me that I had to abandon
the end of the ITV3 programme in order to catch the opening scenes of
Wallander. Had I continued watching ITV3 to the end of the programme I
would have missed the start of the BBC 1 schedule; indeed all
broadcaster's schedules. It was not isolated event. I am noticing that
habitually ITV3 is currently starting programmes 2 minutes late. Can
someone advise them to adjust their transmissions so that they start
and finish at the correct time? It does seem to be the most basic task
for any programme controller to check!

You must lead a really boring life to post such a thing. Does it really
matter
if something overruns by a second or a minute? I am sure ITV would
be really upset to hear that they didn't stick to what your TWO digital
clocks
showed.
Why complain in a newsgroup? What do you think will happen as a result
of complaining in a newsgroup? Have you complained directly to the
television company - if not, why not?
The last question must be - do you think anyone is that bothered?
The easiest thing to do is set your timer for a few minutes before the start
of what you want to record and also allow a few minutes at the end. That
will mean you get a full recording.

Don't forget, this is NOT a complaint department for ITV, no one from
ITV will respond to you here. To complain TO ITV you must contact
ITV directly.