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Dickie mint December 27th 09 11:41 AM

BBC want to encrypt Digital TV?
 
From elsewhere I was alerted to this grauniad story :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-cory-doctorow

If true it seems a big step for the BBC. Anyone know anything more?

Richard

Dickie mint December 27th 09 11:54 AM

BBC want to encrypt Digital TV?
 
Dickie mint wrote:
From elsewhere I was alerted to this grauniad story :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-cory-doctorow

If true it seems a big step for the BBC. Anyone know anything more?

Richard


Had I waited and did a bit more research I would have come up with this
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/ifi/tvlic.../ofcom_bbc.pdf

Seems the BBC have copyright owners insist it invokes the DVB spec DRM !

Richard

J G Miller[_4_] December 27th 09 03:48 PM

BBC want to encrypt Digital TV?
 
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:41:22 +0000, Dickie mint wrote:

From elsewhere I was alerted to this grauniad story :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-cory-doctorow

If true it seems a big step for the BBC.


As was stated by Hugh Barnard in the comments section to that article

QUOTE

Currently the head of technology at the BBC is Eric Huggers, previously
a senior executive at Microsoft.

UNQUOTE

Microsoft loves DRM because it gives corporations the power to only allow
you to listen/watch material that they authorize you to on equipment which
they have approved.

Now that the BBC and Microsoft work hand in hand against the public
interest, the BBC will naturally be pushing for more and more control
with DRM.

If people can record BBC programs, what incentive do they have to
purchase the CDs/DVDs from BBC Worldwide?

Perhaps under a Tory government in the not too distant future, you will
only be able to watch/listen to the BBC on receivers made under licence
from the BBC because they have to contain the BBC authorization chip?

Light of Aria[_3_] December 27th 09 06:24 PM

BBC want to encrypt Digital TV?
 

"J G Miller" wrote in message ...
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:41:22 +0000, Dickie mint wrote:

From elsewhere I was alerted to this grauniad story :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-cory-doctorow

If true it seems a big step for the BBC.


As was stated by Hugh Barnard in the comments section to that article

QUOTE

Currently the head of technology at the BBC is Eric Huggers, previously
a senior executive at Microsoft.

UNQUOTE

Microsoft loves DRM because it gives corporations the power to only allow
you to listen/watch material that they authorize you to on equipment which
they have approved.

Now that the BBC and Microsoft work hand in hand against the public
interest, the BBC will naturally be pushing for more and more control
with DRM.

If people can record BBC programs, what incentive do they have to
purchase the CDs/DVDs from BBC Worldwide?

Perhaps under a Tory government in the not too distant future, you will
only be able to watch/listen to the BBC on receivers made under licence
from the BBC because they have to contain the BBC authorization chip?




The BitTorrent and P2P services will kindly release DRM **** free versions
though negating the exercise a consumer inconvenience rather than a show
stopper.




Roderick Stewart[_2_] December 27th 09 08:47 PM

BBC want to encrypt Digital TV?
 
In article , J G Miller wrote:
If people can record BBC programs, what incentive do they have to
purchase the CDs/DVDs from BBC Worldwide?


The people who sell recordings to the public have thought this way
since the invention of the (audio) tape recorder, and tried to persuade
us that every time somebody records a piece music from the radio it
deprives them of some income. It was nonsense then and it's still
nonsense now.

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Jim Lesurf[_2_] December 28th 09 10:53 AM

BBC want to encrypt Digital TV?
 
In article , J G Miller wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:41:22 +0000, Dickie mint wrote:



Microsoft loves DRM because it gives corporations the power to only
allow you to listen/watch material that they authorize you to on
equipment which they have approved.


Translation:

Microsoft loves DRM because they think it will help them sell their
software.

Slainte,

Jim

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Brian Gaff December 28th 09 11:41 AM

BBC want to encrypt Digital TV?
 
So you have an encrypted unencryption system, Sounds a bit odd to me.
I say lawyers should be banned immediately.

Brian

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"Dickie mint" wrote in message
...
Dickie mint wrote:
From elsewhere I was alerted to this grauniad story :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-cory-doctorow

If true it seems a big step for the BBC. Anyone know anything more?

Richard


Had I waited and did a bit more research I would have come up with this
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/ifi/tvlic.../ofcom_bbc.pdf

Seems the BBC have copyright owners insist it invokes the DVB spec DRM !

Richard




Brian Gaff December 28th 09 11:44 AM

BBC want to encrypt Digital TV?
 
The guy I spoke to at Off com liked my idea of the bbc only being free to
watch with scrolling adverts at the bottom of the screen...
Brian

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"J G Miller" wrote in message ...
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:41:22 +0000, Dickie mint wrote:

From elsewhere I was alerted to this grauniad story :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-cory-doctorow

If true it seems a big step for the BBC.


As was stated by Hugh Barnard in the comments section to that article

QUOTE

Currently the head of technology at the BBC is Eric Huggers, previously
a senior executive at Microsoft.

UNQUOTE

Microsoft loves DRM because it gives corporations the power to only allow
you to listen/watch material that they authorize you to on equipment which
they have approved.

Now that the BBC and Microsoft work hand in hand against the public
interest, the BBC will naturally be pushing for more and more control
with DRM.

If people can record BBC programs, what incentive do they have to
purchase the CDs/DVDs from BBC Worldwide?

Perhaps under a Tory government in the not too distant future, you will
only be able to watch/listen to the BBC on receivers made under licence
from the BBC because they have to contain the BBC authorization chip?




Brian Gaff December 28th 09 11:46 AM

BBC want to encrypt Digital TV?
 
But deep packet inspection will start to stop torrents soon in any case.
Brian

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"Light of Aria" wrote in message
...

"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:41:22 +0000, Dickie mint wrote:

From elsewhere I was alerted to this grauniad story :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-cory-doctorow

If true it seems a big step for the BBC.


As was stated by Hugh Barnard in the comments section to that article

QUOTE

Currently the head of technology at the BBC is Eric Huggers, previously
a senior executive at Microsoft.

UNQUOTE

Microsoft loves DRM because it gives corporations the power to only allow
you to listen/watch material that they authorize you to on equipment
which
they have approved.

Now that the BBC and Microsoft work hand in hand against the public
interest, the BBC will naturally be pushing for more and more control
with DRM.

If people can record BBC programs, what incentive do they have to
purchase the CDs/DVDs from BBC Worldwide?

Perhaps under a Tory government in the not too distant future, you will
only be able to watch/listen to the BBC on receivers made under licence
from the BBC because they have to contain the BBC authorization chip?




The BitTorrent and P2P services will kindly release DRM **** free versions
though negating the exercise a consumer inconvenience rather than a show
stopper.






Max Demian December 28th 09 12:13 PM

BBC want to encrypt Digital TV?
 
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
om...
The guy I spoke to at Off com liked my idea of the bbc only being free to
watch with scrolling adverts at the bottom of the screen...


Thanks a bunch. Should increase the sale of black insulating tape.

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