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jj[_2_] December 5th 09 08:37 PM

No channels since switchover
 
Wonder if anyone can help ?

Since the Winter Hill switchover my parents IDTV receives no channels
whatsoever (picks up 4 but no signal on any of them). Problems first started
after the Nov. re-tune when all the BBC channels disappeared, other channels
were fine. After this weeks re-tune now no channels at all.

It's a Panasonic TX 32DT2 quintrix, there is no option for a manual tune and
the factory re-set and automatic search have'nt worked. I suspect the set it
not compatible with the new signal standard being broadcast. Other than
connecting a digibox is there any way to get the set to pick up the digital
broadcast ?

Should mention there is a Humax 9150T connected to the set and this works
fine, as do all the other sets and boxes in the house.



David Perry December 5th 09 09:21 PM

No channels since switchover
 

"jj" wrote in message
m...
Wonder if anyone can help ?

There is a helpline which has been advertised for 12months for thick
and lazy people to use. The people will go through a step by step
guide of how to retune or replace channels on most makes of TV.
Please note you must plug the TV in and switch it on.
The digital standard has not changed, only the frequencies of each
multiplex at Winter Hill. They have been moved to cover the upper
part of the band were the analogue channels once lived. That is why
there was no need for people to buy new aerials, group C/D is OK.
Unfortunately that didn't stop the rip-off cowboy aerial fitters who made
a lot of money from daft people.
There is a difference between replace channels and retune, you are
selecting the wrong one. You need to phone the help line if you can't
figure it out for yourself.
Lots of idiots phoned radio station phone-in shows on 2nd December
and during the early hours of 3rd December to ask what was
happening as their TVs had gone off. It's all been advertised for the
past 12months regularly and was even mentioned 9 years ago.



Mark Carver December 5th 09 09:42 PM

No channels since switchover
 
jj wrote:
Wonder if anyone can help ?

Since the Winter Hill switchover my parents IDTV receives no channels
whatsoever (picks up 4 but no signal on any of them). Problems first started
after the Nov. re-tune when all the BBC channels disappeared, other channels
were fine. After this weeks re-tune now no channels at all.

It's a Panasonic TX 32DT2 quintrix, there is no option for a manual tune and
the factory re-set and automatic search have'nt worked. I suspect the set it
not compatible with the new signal standard being broadcast. Other than
connecting a digibox is there any way to get the set to pick up the digital
broadcast ?


Sounds as if your TV is not compatible with the 8k COFDM standard, that is
being used as DSO hits each transmitter. You need to contact Panasonic, but
it's unlikely anything can be done, other than, as you suggest, connecting an
external box to the TV.


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

Mark Carver December 5th 09 09:45 PM

No channels since switchover
 
David Perry wrote:
"jj" wrote in message
m...
Wonder if anyone can help ?

There is a helpline which has been advertised for 12months for thick
and lazy people to use. The people will go through a step by step
guide of how to retune or replace channels on most makes of TV.
Please note you must plug the TV in and switch it on.


The digital standard has not changed,


It has I'm afraid, at Winter Hill it's gone from 2k COFDM to 8k, many early
DTT receivers are incapable of receiving 8k. Check *your* facts before giving
duff advice, in your incredibly rude and unhelpful manner.


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

Alan[_4_] December 5th 09 10:05 PM

No channels since switchover
 
In message , jj
wrote
Wonder if anyone can help ?

Since the Winter Hill switchover

It's a Panasonic TX 32DT2 quintrix,


The bad news list is at
http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...57/for_website
_2K_only_models_ex_volumes_revised-15_Sept_09.pdf


--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

jj[_2_] December 6th 09 04:53 AM

No channels since switchover
 
The bad news list is at
http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...57/for_website
_2K_only_models_ex_volumes_revised-15_Sept_09.pdf


--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk


Not Found.
The requested URL /__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/21057/for_website was not
found on this server.



Brian Gaff December 6th 09 10:12 AM

No channels since switchover
 
Ah, do tell me which customer service team you work with and I'll avoid them
like the plague..
Your first name is not Basil by any chance is it? grin.

Brian

--
Brian Gaff -
Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name may be lost.
Blind user, so no pictures please!
"David Perry" wrote in message
...

"jj" wrote in message
m...
Wonder if anyone can help ?

There is a helpline which has been advertised for 12months for thick
and lazy people to use. The people will go through a step by step
guide of how to retune or replace channels on most makes of TV.
Please note you must plug the TV in and switch it on.
The digital standard has not changed, only the frequencies of each
multiplex at Winter Hill. They have been moved to cover the upper
part of the band were the analogue channels once lived. That is why
there was no need for people to buy new aerials, group C/D is OK.
Unfortunately that didn't stop the rip-off cowboy aerial fitters who made
a lot of money from daft people.
There is a difference between replace channels and retune, you are
selecting the wrong one. You need to phone the help line if you can't
figure it out for yourself.
Lots of idiots phoned radio station phone-in shows on 2nd December
and during the early hours of 3rd December to ask what was
happening as their TVs had gone off. It's all been advertised for the
past 12months regularly and was even mentioned 9 years ago.





Woody[_3_] December 6th 09 11:27 AM

No channels since switchover
 
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
jj wrote:
Wonder if anyone can help ?

Since the Winter Hill switchover my parents IDTV receives no
channels whatsoever (picks up 4 but no signal on any of them).
Problems first started after the Nov. re-tune when all the BBC
channels disappeared, other channels were fine. After this
weeks re-tune now no channels at all.

It's a Panasonic TX 32DT2 quintrix, there is no option for a
manual tune and the factory re-set and automatic search
have'nt worked. I suspect the set it not compatible with the
new signal standard being broadcast. Other than connecting a
digibox is there any way to get the set to pick up the digital
broadcast ?


Sounds as if your TV is not compatible with the 8k COFDM
standard, that is being used as DSO hits each transmitter. You
need to contact Panasonic, but it's unlikely anything can be
done, other than, as you suggest, connecting an external box to
the TV.




If that's the case how has he been watching the independent
channels as they have been 8K from day one?



--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com



Mark Carver December 6th 09 11:36 AM

No channels since switchover
 
Woody wrote:

If that's the case how has he been watching the independent
channels as they have been 8K from day one?


No they haven't ! You're getting confused with 16QAM and 64QAM, a totally
different kettle of fish.

8k COFDM transmissions have only started in the UK as DSO hits each
transmitter. All pre DSO transmissions whether 16 or 64QAM are, and always
have been since 1998 2k.

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

[email protected] December 6th 09 01:03 PM

No channels since switchover
 
On Dec 6, 10:36*am, Mark Carver wrote:
Woody wrote:
If that's the case how has he been watching the independent
channels as they have been 8K from day one?


No they haven't ! * You're getting confused with 16QAM and 64QAM, a totally
different kettle of fish.

8k COFDM transmissions have only started in the UK as DSO hits each
transmitter. All pre DSO transmissions whether 16 or 64QAM are, and always
have been since 1998 2k.

--
Mark


It was with fear and trepidation that I tried my Number One Analyser
on the Winter Hill 8k signals, since it had never seen 8k before. It
worked! Incidentally it's a fine novelty having perfect reception here
from Winter Hill! In the analogue days the signals were barely
useable. OK, I'm exagerating when I say perfect -- there are CCI
issues, but the field strength is adequate.

Bill

Tony December 6th 09 02:10 PM

No channels since switchover
 

"brightside S9" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:37:48 -0000, "jj" wrote:

Wonder if anyone can help ?

Since the Winter Hill switchover my parents IDTV receives no channels
whatsoever (picks up 4 but no signal on any of them). Problems first
started
after the Nov. re-tune when all the BBC channels disappeared, other
channels
were fine. After this weeks re-tune now no channels at all.

It's a Panasonic TX 32DT2 quintrix, there is no option for a manual tune
and
the factory re-set and automatic search have'nt worked. I suspect the set
it
not compatible with the new signal standard being broadcast. Other than
connecting a digibox is there any way to get the set to pick up the
digital
broadcast ?

Should mention there is a Humax 9150T connected to the set and this works
fine, as do all the other sets and boxes in the house.



See this:-

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...15_Sept_09.pdf

This uis a list of stuff that is stuffed by switch to 8K COFDM.

--
brightsdde S9

Firefox will not resolve this link but Internet Explorer will.
Tony



Peter Duncanson December 6th 09 02:43 PM

No channels since switchover
 
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:10:02 -0000, "Tony" [email protected] no
spampensilva.plus.com wrote:


"brightside S9" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:37:48 -0000, "jj" wrote:

Wonder if anyone can help ?

Since the Winter Hill switchover my parents IDTV receives no channels
whatsoever (picks up 4 but no signal on any of them). Problems first
started
after the Nov. re-tune when all the BBC channels disappeared, other
channels
were fine. After this weeks re-tune now no channels at all.

It's a Panasonic TX 32DT2 quintrix, there is no option for a manual tune
and
the factory re-set and automatic search have'nt worked. I suspect the set
it
not compatible with the new signal standard being broadcast. Other than
connecting a digibox is there any way to get the set to pick up the
digital
broadcast ?

Should mention there is a Humax 9150T connected to the set and this works
fine, as do all the other sets and boxes in the house.



See this:-

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...15_Sept_09.pdf

This uis a list of stuff that is stuffed by switch to 8K COFDM.

--
brightsdde S9

Firefox will not resolve this link but Internet Explorer will.
Tony

Firefox on this PC displays that pdf file with no problem.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Alan[_4_] December 6th 09 02:47 PM

No channels since switchover
 
In message , Tony
wrote

Firefox will not resolve this link but Internet Explorer will.
Tony


No problem here with Firefox or Opera

--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk




[email protected] December 6th 09 03:25 PM

No channels since switchover
 
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:10:02 -0000, "Tony" [email protected] no
spampensilva.plus.com wrote:


"brightside S9" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:37:48 -0000, "jj" wrote:

Wonder if anyone can help ?

Since the Winter Hill switchover my parents IDTV receives no channels
whatsoever (picks up 4 but no signal on any of them). Problems first
started
after the Nov. re-tune when all the BBC channels disappeared, other
channels
were fine. After this weeks re-tune now no channels at all.

It's a Panasonic TX 32DT2 quintrix, there is no option for a manual tune
and
the factory re-set and automatic search have'nt worked. I suspect the set
it
not compatible with the new signal standard being broadcast. Other than
connecting a digibox is there any way to get the set to pick up the
digital
broadcast ?

Should mention there is a Humax 9150T connected to the set and this works
fine, as do all the other sets and boxes in the house.



See this:-

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...15_Sept_09.pdf

This uis a list of stuff that is stuffed by switch to 8K COFDM.

--
brightsdde S9

Firefox will not resolve this link but Internet Explorer will.
Tony


Very likely you have not copied/pasted/linked the URL correctly.

It worked fine for me in Opera, Firefox amd Chrome


Paul Ratcliffe December 6th 09 03:27 PM

No channels since switchover
 
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:10:02 -0000, Tony [email protected] wrote:

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...15_Sept_09.pdf

This uis a list of stuff that is stuffed by switch to 8K COFDM.


Firefox will not resolve this link but Internet Explorer will.


What crap you speak. Whether a link works or not is not a function of
the browser you use.
FWIW, it works fine here on FF.

Perhaps you just forgot to stitch the two halves together.

Adrian[_3_] December 6th 09 04:09 PM

No channels since switchover
 
Tony wrote:

See this:-

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...15_Sept_09.pdf

This uis a list of stuff that is stuffed by switch to 8K COFDM.

--
brightsdde S9

Firefox will not resolve this link but Internet Explorer will.
Tony



Firefox resolved it fine for me.

Dave Farrance December 6th 09 04:30 PM

No channels since switchover
 
"Tony" [email protected] no spampensilva.plus.com wrote:

Firefox will not resolve this link but Internet Explorer will.


Speak ill of the goodly open-source app and speak well of the evil
proprietary app and wrath shall fall on your head ;-)

Actually, it's probably down to the fact that a plugin like Adobe Reader
will only insert itself into browsers that it found at its installation
time, so if you installed Firefox after the plugin then it won't see it.
Try uninstalling and re-installing the plugin.

--
Dave Farrance

Tony December 6th 09 06:29 PM

No channels since switchover
 

"Dave Farrance" wrote in message
...
"Tony" [email protected] no spampensilva.plus.com wrote:

Firefox will not resolve this link but Internet Explorer will.


Speak ill of the goodly open-source app and speak well of the evil
proprietary app and wrath shall fall on your head ;-)

Actually, it's probably down to the fact that a plugin like Adobe Reader
will only insert itself into browsers that it found at its installation
time, so if you installed Firefox after the plugin then it won't see it.
Try uninstalling and re-installing the plugin.

--
Dave Farrance


I'm sure from these responses, even the ill mannered one, that most people
running Firefox are able to display this site satisfactorily which is good.
I can using IE6 so that's fine too. I was just offering my two pennorth so
that the information on that site is available to the widest audience. I
don't have any problems with Firefox on any other links and I did stitch the
two halves of the URL together, how else did I make IE6 work? Tony



Woody[_3_] December 6th 09 08:21 PM

No channels since switchover
 
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Woody wrote:

If that's the case how has he been watching the independent
channels as they have been 8K from day one?


No they haven't ! You're getting confused with 16QAM and
64QAM, a totally different kettle of fish.

8k COFDM transmissions have only started in the UK as DSO hits
each transmitter. All pre DSO transmissions whether 16 or 64QAM
are, and always have been since 1998 2k.

--



You right, me wrong. I should know better.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com



ian field December 8th 09 11:43 PM

No channels since switchover
 

"Alan" wrote in message
...
In message , jj
wrote
Wonder if anyone can help ?

Since the Winter Hill switchover

It's a Panasonic TX 32DT2 quintrix,


The bad news list is at
http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...57/for_website
_2K_only_models_ex_volumes_revised-15_Sept_09.pdf


Can't see my Digifusion FVRT90 or Techwood PVR160TW on the list, but it does
say other affected models may not be listed - what are my chances?




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