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Hi
We have for a while now, noticed very occasionally, that someone has called and left a message on the BT message system when we know we were in at the time, and not using the phone. Yesterday I connected a telephone recorder to the line and it has recorded 6 seconds of dial tone every half hour. This would account for the occasional engaged line. I only have 1 dect phone with answer machine , 1 BT sms phone , 1 Panasonic speaker phone and a Sky+HD on the line. Of all those the only thing that should be able to initiate a call on its own is the Sky box. Anybody else have this problem? is it normal?. is it the Sky box? Should I disconnect the sky box or just ignore it? Thanks Gary -- This email is Private and Confidential This e-mail has been virus checked by Mcafee Virus Scan. Telephone calls may be recorded for quality assurance and security purposes. |
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"Gary" wrote in message ... Hi We have for a while now, noticed very occasionally, that someone has called and left a message on the BT message system when we know we were in at the time, and not using the phone. Yesterday I connected a telephone recorder to the line and it has recorded 6 seconds of dial tone every half hour. This would account for the occasional engaged line. I only have 1 dect phone with answer machine , 1 BT sms phone , 1 Panasonic speaker phone and a Sky+HD on the line. Of all those the only thing that should be able to initiate a call on its own is the Sky box. Anybody else have this problem? is it normal?. is it the Sky box? Should I disconnect the sky box or just ignore it? Thanks Gary I know what is happening here and you can rest assured it is nothing to do with the Sky box. One of those phones must have a "message waiting" facility (LED) and the phone seizes the line at intervals to see if the dial-tone is intermittent indicating there is a message on 1571 -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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Surely if the unit was actually making calls one would hear that on the
recording? It is also sometimes possible to be engaged when you are not on the phone, as there is a case called equipment engaged which seems to occur when things get busy. This means the caller never gets to your line in the first place! Brian -- Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ "Paul Martin" wrote in message ... In article , Gary wrote: Anybody else have this problem? is it normal?. is it the Sky box? Should I disconnect the sky box or just ignore it? If you don't have a Multiroom subscription, and don't watch PPV events or BoxOffice films, or use the chargable interactive services, you should be OK with disconnecting the phone line from the Sky box. -- Paul Martin |
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"Graham." wrote in message ... "Gary" wrote in message ... Hi We have for a while now, noticed very occasionally, that someone has called and left a message on the BT message system when we know we were in at the time, and not using the phone. Yesterday I connected a telephone recorder to the line and it has recorded 6 seconds of dial tone every half hour. This would account for the occasional engaged line. I only have 1 dect phone with answer machine , 1 BT sms phone , 1 Panasonic speaker phone and a Sky+HD on the line. Of all those the only thing that should be able to initiate a call on its own is the Sky box. Anybody else have this problem? is it normal?. is it the Sky box? Should I disconnect the sky box or just ignore it? Thanks Gary I know what is happening here and you can rest assured it is nothing to do with the Sky box. One of those phones must have a "message waiting" facility (LED) and the phone seizes the line at intervals to see if the dial-tone is intermittent indicating there is a message on 1571 -- Graham. %Profound_observation% That would be the SMS phone then. That would make sense. Thanks for that. I will look into it further. Gary |
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Just as a side note here, below are some logs from my TrueCall system
showing how often Sky calls out. You can see that Sky will make a call anywhere between every 9 minutes to once a month. The call can be to two different numbers, at any time of the day, and lasts about 40 seconds. 07/08/2009 13:31 Outgoing Dialled from an extension phone 00:00:42 08000531707 Sky Digital 07/08/2009 13:40 Outgoing Dialled from an extension phone 00:00:42 08000531707 Sky Digital 10/08/2009 09:08 Outgoing Dialled from an extension phone 00:00:41 08000531706 Sky Digital 10/08/2009 09:35 Outgoing Dialled from an extension phone 00:00:38 08000531706 Sky Digital 10/09/2009 09:18 Outgoing Dialled from an extension phone 00:00:38 08000531706 Sky Digital 10/10/2009 06:08 Outgoing Dialled from an extension phone 00:00:41 08000531706 Sky Digital 10/10/2009 06:45 Outgoing Dialled from an extension phone 00:00:39 08000531706 Sky Digital 10/11/2009 07:11 Outgoing Dialled from an extension phone 00:00:38 08000531706 Sky Digital And below is TrueCall nuking a certain unwanted sales calls such as that pesky Sky Warranty company without me even hearing the phone ring... easy as pie. 05/11/2009 03:39 Incoming Zapped caller - rejected 00:00:18 INTERNATIONAL 05/11/2009 07:43 Incoming Zapped caller - rejected 00:00:19 INTERNATIONAL 16/11/2009 14:29 Incoming Unrecognised caller - Hung up at whisper 00:00:12 08712659865 Digital Satellite Warranty Cover Ltd 16/11/2009 19:49 Incoming Zapped caller - rejected 00:00:07 08712659865 Digital Satellite Warranty Cover Ltd Note, that as that caller was "zapped" in the last instance, they are played a messages asking them to not call again. If they do, they are breaking the law, and it is literally a button click on the online interface to report the caller to OFCOM. Sweet. -- Vincent |
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"Mike Henry" wrote in message ... In , Kay Robinson wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:02:07 -0000, "Vincent" sharpened a new quill and scratched: 16/11/2009 14:29 Incoming Unrecognised caller - Hung up at whisper 00:00:12 08712659865 Digital Satellite Warranty Cover Ltd Interesting to see this company mentioned. I've been plagued by letters from this company stating that my Sky cover has now ended and that I should take cover out with them. I don't have any satellite equipment. I contacted Trading Standards who say they have numerous complaints about this company and are investigating. I bet they'll never be shut down, though :-(. The "whisper" mentioned in the logs is one of the many methods of call screening TrueCall can use. The unit asks any unrecognised (i.e. not on your friends list or your "zap" list) number to identify themselves. If they do, my house phone will then ring and TrueCall will repeat what they said when asked to identify themselves so I know who is calling. You're then given a choice as to whether to accept the call, or add the caller to your friends list or your "zap" list, which will either let the call through automatically next time or tell them to get lost next time respectively. In the case above, they hung up when asked to identify themselves. However, I find people who I don't know calling me, who refuse to identify themselves, annoying, so I always check the call logs online. The web interface allows you to look up any number in your log. When I did this it found hits for that company, with a LOT of people suffering annoying calls from them, including people who don't even have Sky. So, I just added their company to my Zap list, along with its name, and when they called a few hours later they got told never to call again automatically - my phone wouldn't have even have rung once. TrueCall is a brilliant system - I can highly recommend it if you ever get annoyed by any kind of unwanted call. Since I got mine several months ago I've not had a single unwanted call of any kind, yet, every call I did want or was expecting got through. -- Vincent |
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"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:14:07 -0000, "Vincent" sharpened a new quill and scratched: "Mike Henry" wrote in message . .. In , Kay Robinson wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:02:07 -0000, "Vincent" sharpened a new quill and scratched: 16/11/2009 14:29 Incoming Unrecognised caller - Hung up at whisper 00:00:12 08712659865 Digital Satellite Warranty Cover Ltd Interesting to see this company mentioned. I've been plagued by letters from this company stating that my Sky cover has now ended and that I should take cover out with them. I don't have any satellite equipment. I contacted Trading Standards who say they have numerous complaints about this company and are investigating. I bet they'll never be shut down, though :-(. Since I went on the TPS I've never had any such calls, used to be plagued by them. Now it's the equally annoying young employees of NPower who regularly press my door buzzer claiming to be here to 'read your meter'. The last one, a young girl, after buzzing while I was eating and my answering with a 'not interested', kept her finger on my buzzer for several minutes and when I decided enough was enough was told 'You're very rude I only want ten minutes of your time', needless to say I can't really write here the expletives I came out with. I'm on the TPS too, but I still got those calls shown in my log. Interestingly, I received a letter from Sky just the other day stating that there is only one insurance company Sky deals with (I forget the name now, and I've shredded the letter, but I imagine they're sending them to everyone). One thing they did say was that the company they do use will know all of your Sky setup details (e.g. box type). So - if you do want to actually talk to such cold-callers, Sky or otherwise, ask THEM to tell them what Sky box they have. If they don't know it, tell them not to call again (it is illegal for them to call again if you've asked them not to). Another related thing I learnt recently, is that it is now illegal for call centres to withhold their number. I've used Anonymous Call Reject for a number of years now. Although now it's free for me as I have unsubscribed from the service from BT, and now my TrueCall system drops anon calls, meaning it'll pay for itself in 2 years. -- Vincent |
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In article ,
Java Jive wrote: On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:50:01 -0000, "Vincent" wrote: "Kay Robinson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:14:07 -0000, "Vincent" sharpened a new quill and scratched: Since I went on the TPS I've never had any such calls, used to be plagued by them. I'm on the TPS, but still get calls. this doesn't apply to calls originating overseas ;-( [Snip] Another related thing I learnt recently, is that it is now illegal for call centres to withhold their number. I've used Anonymous Call Reject for a number of years now. Although now it's free for me as I have unsubscribed from the service from BT, and now my TrueCall system drops anon calls, meaning it'll pay for itself in 2 years. Yet I suspect many still do. Of course, I don't know for certain because I have a policy of ... caller display doesn't work on foreign calls. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 |
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:41:06 +0000, Java Jive
wrote: On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:50:01 -0000, "Vincent" wrote: "Kay Robinson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:14:07 -0000, "Vincent" sharpened a new quill and scratched: Since I went on the TPS I've never had any such calls, used to be plagued by them. I'm on the TPS, but still get calls. Or would, but I've now adopted a policy of never answering the phone unless I recognise the number. I let it ring and it goes through to the answering machine. I reckon that anyone with anything important in my life would be willing to leave a message. Now it's the equally annoying young employees of NPower Our local council distributed stickers saying "We do not buy or sell at this door", but despite my sticking it on the door, people still try it on. Again, I have a policy of never answering the door unless I recognise the caller (the door is covered by CCTV, so I can tell who it is). Another related thing I learnt recently, is that it is now illegal for call centres to withhold their number. I've used Anonymous Call Reject for a number of years now. Although now it's free for me as I have unsubscribed from the service from BT, and now my TrueCall system drops anon calls, meaning it'll pay for itself in 2 years. Yet I suspect many still do. Of course, I don't know for certain because I have a policy of ... How do you deal with international calls? |
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:50:05 +0000, Java Jive
wrote: I reckon that anyone with anything important in my life would be willing to leave a message. ... and then I'd ring them back. But although I have family members and one or two friends living abroad, they have all been told that the best way to contact me is by email. We regularly receive international junk calls, but since we get a lot of genuine international calls as well it's really necessary to answerthem all. I did get an additional, unlisted number for VOIP use, but that started receiving junk calls almost immediately so it would appear that random or sequential auto-diallers are in use. |
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"Java Jive" wrote in message ... I'm on the TPS, but still get calls. Or would, but I've now adopted a policy of never answering the phone unless I recognise the number. I let it ring and it goes through to the answering machine. I reckon that anyone with anything important in my life would be willing to leave a message. Some people aren't allowed to. For example, if the doctors or the hospital call, they never leave a message as, I guess, they don't know who might hear it. -- Vincent |
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"charles" wrote in message ... I'm on the TPS, but still get calls. this doesn't apply to calls originating overseas ;-( caller display doesn't work on foreign calls. I have my TrueCall to drop all international calls too. I don't have any reason for anyone to call me internationally. This won't work for everyone of course. -- Vincent |
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wrote in message
... How do you deal with international calls? This wasn't aimed at me, and I just answered it elsewhere in this thread, but with TrueCall you can choose to drop all international calls too. -- Vincent |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:50:05 +0000, Java Jive wrote: I reckon that anyone with anything important in my life would be willing to leave a message. ... and then I'd ring them back. But although I have family members and one or two friends living abroad, they have all been told that the best way to contact me is by email. We regularly receive international junk calls, but since we get a lot of genuine international calls as well it's really necessary to answerthem all. I did get an additional, unlisted number for VOIP use, but that started receiving junk calls almost immediately so it would appear that random or sequential auto-diallers are in use. That's what I like about TrueCall... if it's a number you've told it to accept it gets through as normal, if it's a number you've told it to block it tells them not to call again (this can be specific number and/or all withheld numbers and/or all international numbers). Any unrecognised calls that you do allow through (i.e. not in any of those lists) it asks them to identify themselves. If, and only if, they say something will your house phone ring. When you answer it, the unit says "You have a call from [whatever they said].". You can then choose to add the number to your friends list and accept, add the number to your block list and they'll be told not to call again, send them to your answer phone, or allow the call though and decide later. It works with normal landlines, cable, and VoIP phones. -- Vincent |
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"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
... I used Anonymous Call Reject for a number of years, however, it created problems as and when the use of computerised call systems became the norm for most commercial and public bodies. This meant that calls I was expecting from the local authority, pension service, bank and other firms I dealt with never came because they were denied access by BT. That any legitimate caller should user a withheld number system appals me and appears to be a symptom of this age where firms don't want to be responible. This is now illegal. All companies are no longer allowed to withhold their number when calling customers (or potential customers). They must send an identifying number, even if that number just plays a recorded announcement saying who you were called by. If anyone is still withholding their number you should tell them. This makes anonymous call rejection much more powerful, as the only people who, in theory, are withholding their numbers are companies who want to hide (usually unwanted sales calls) or members of the public who annoyingly withhold their numbers. I don't have time for either, so drop all anon calls. -- Vincent |
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"Mike Henry" wrote in message ... Presentation numbers mean there simply is no excuse for it - they should either present their real CLI or use a Presentation number of a number which plays a recorded message if they aren't interested in you phoning them back. That's currently exactly what the law is (it changed recently). All companies and call centres must now display some sort of CLI. I apologise if that's what you meant by this anyway. It's a shame that you gave in - did you not kick up a stink when the calls didn't arrive and get them to change their policy? They weren't denied access by BT really - ACR gives them a recorded message telling them precisely how to contact you, but they chose not to redial, so it's IMPOSSIBLE to plead ignorance along the lines of "we tried but we couldn't get through". Public bodies in particular should be accountable (ha!) and easier to get policy changed. Ah, but, I used to work at a University several years ago which withheld their number. Even if you dialed the "unwithhold my number" code, it still withheld it - so I know from personal experience it's not always possible. That any legitimate caller should user a withheld number system appals me Me too, but note that by definition, they aren't a legitimate caller if they are withholding! (In the case of businesses calling individuals, now that Presentation numbers are available). With you all the way on that. -- Vincent |
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On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:07:39 -0000, Vincent wrote:
That's currently exactly what the law is (it changed recently). All companies and call centres must now display some sort of CLI. I apologise if that's what you meant by this anyway. Define "company". Have you got a reference for this "law" please? |
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"Vincent" writes:
This makes anonymous call rejection much more powerful, as the only people who, in theory, are withholding their numbers are companies who want to hide (usually unwanted sales calls) or members of the public who annoyingly withhold their numbers. I don't have time for either, so drop all anon calls. And the Police, many hospitals, councils etc. |
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"Graham Murray" wrote in message ... "Vincent" writes: This makes anonymous call rejection much more powerful, as the only people who, in theory, are withholding their numbers are companies who want to hide (usually unwanted sales calls) or members of the public who annoyingly withhold their numbers. I don't have time for either, so drop all anon calls. And the Police, many hospitals, councils etc. Well they shouldn't, and don't with me. I have had numerous calls from the hospital about appointments, etc. I have had two calls from the police while I was dealing with them too. Understand that the law has changed a few months ago. It is now illegal for companies or call centres to withhold their number. Perhaps some still do, but if you have Anonymous Call Reject they seem to un-withhold it when told to. -- Vincent |
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"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
... On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:07:39 -0000, Vincent wrote: That's currently exactly what the law is (it changed recently). All companies and call centres must now display some sort of CLI. I apologise if that's what you meant by this anyway. Define "company". Have you got a reference for this "law" please? Now I research it, I was perhaps partially incorrect, but: http://truecall.co.uk/acatalog/Advan..._Withheld.html "Until recently most call centres withheld their Caller-IDs, but there are now legal and self regulatory requirements that mean that most UK call centres now pass on their Caller-IDs." ....and to balance this with what other people have pointed out in the thread: "Certainly, malicious callers always withhold their numbers, but many ordinary people also do this to protect their own privacy when they make calls. Doctors, hospitals, the Police, government organisations and many companies routinely withhold their numbers (and it may not be possible for them to unblock their numbers and call you back)." So perhaps I was wrong - sorry if I misled anyone. Still, I've had ACR for several years, and I've honestly never missed an important call through using it - either by them un-withholding their number or by calling my mobile. Still, if the call is important, I'm sure they'd be happy to announce their name/business when asked by TrueCall. Also, if enough people start using ACR then such companies/businesses/etc may reconsider their withholding. There's not really any excuse these days as they can easily set up a "presentation number", that are just numbers presented to the recipient of the call to identify who is calling - if you call them back it just plays a recorded message saying what company called. A lot of places use these now. -- Vincent |
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"Owain" wrote in message ... On 7 Dec, 18:27, wrote: We regularly receive international junk calls, but since we get a lot of genuine international calls as well it's really necessary to answerthem all. I did get an additional, unlisted number for VOIP use, but that started receiving junk calls almost immediately so it would appear that random or sequential auto-diallers are in use. Truecall would do what you want - as well as the 'whisper' function it also has a bypass code so you can tell your callers to press a digit when Truecall answers and it will then pass the call to you. And to balance this - TrueCall is VERY configurable using the web interface. The number of times I've thought something like "Hrmmm wouldn't it be good if it could do this instead." and found the option there. You can configure the "press a digit" setting for example to be for certain times of the day, if you want, so that calls that come in during the middle of the night don't wake you up unless it's a person who knows your code. Or, you can tell it to tell them what button to press so that you don't have to worry about people forgetting. It's so damn cool. Check out this review on Amazon for a list of all of the features: http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R2IKA...cm_cr_rdp_perm -- Vincent |
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Kay Robinson wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:48:31 +0000, Mike Henry sharpened a new quill and scratched: It's a shame that you gave in - did you not kick up a stink when the calls didn't arrive and get them to change their policy? They weren't denied access by BT really - ACR gives them a recorded message telling them precisely how to contact you, but they chose not to redial, so it's IMPOSSIBLE to plead ignorance along the lines of "we tried but we couldn't get through". Public bodies in particular should be accountable (ha!) and easier to get policy changed. Unhappily, in real life, no amount of complaining works (I did try) as the person making the call has no other option except that of using their own mobile. Such systems are set up by the engineers who install the hardware and software and typically no-one employed by the company or organisation has the ability to change it. Write to the CEO (or equivelent) or your MP (if it is a government office) and get him to get the policy bods to change it. This means that whatever organisation has the equipment installed would need the engineer to come back and change things, probably met with 'the system you purchased doesn't allow that modification' or a very expensive call out charge. Not your problem It's those such as BT who are to blame with the creation of all those 0870, 0844 etc. calls which make more money for BT and the company (as they get a cut). Whenever I can I find out the 'normal' number for such firms, however, if their system doesn't allow a caller ID the recipient has no knowledge of who made the call. Not your fault. Write to the person in charge to ghange policy. We need to reach a tipping point with enough customers having ACR for them to change their policies. It's been a long time since CLI was introduced in 1994, I've had ACR since 1998ish, but we're not there yet. Fine if you can afford it and fine if you accept that you miss important calls. I'm just too old and have too many more important things to worry about. My campaigning days are gone. It's not about "campaigning" it's about good old fashioned complaining. On the scale of how important a complaint is to these people, females are near the bottom, pensioners lower still and the chronic sick/disabled the bottom of the heap. Because these groups will not persist and persist and persist again. You have to make a nuisance of yourself to get anything done these days. I could rant on like this forever, there's so much to complain about. Nowadays we just get scoffed at and called 'Victor Meldrews' :-( If we were all 'Victor Meldrews' this country would not have the awful customer service we experience these days. MC |
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Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:07:39 -0000, Vincent wrote: That's currently exactly what the law is (it changed recently). All companies and call centres must now display some sort of CLI. I apologise if that's what you meant by this anyway. Define "company". Have you got a reference for this "law" please? Only companies making unsolicited "sales" calls. Companies (businesses) can withhold their number for other reasons but must not misrepresent it. MC |
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Vincent wrote:
"Kay Robinson" wrote in message ... I used Anonymous Call Reject for a number of years, however, it created problems as and when the use of computerised call systems became the norm for most commercial and public bodies. This meant that calls I was expecting from the local authority, pension service, bank and other firms I dealt with never came because they were denied access by BT. That any legitimate caller should user a withheld number system appals me and appears to be a symptom of this age where firms don't want to be responible. This is now illegal. All companies are no longer allowed to withhold their number when calling customers (or potential customers). Only for "unsolicited" sales calls. \\\\mc |
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In article , Vincent
writes Now I research it, I was perhaps partially incorrect, but: http://truecall.co.uk/acatalog/Advan..._Withheld.html "Until recently most call centres withheld their Caller-IDs, but there are now legal and self regulatory requirements that mean that most UK call centres now pass on their Caller-IDs." ...and to balance this with what other people have pointed out in the thread: "Certainly, malicious callers always withhold their numbers, but many ordinary people also do this to protect their own privacy when they make calls. Doctors, hospitals, the Police, government organisations and many companies routinely withhold their numbers (and it may not be possible for them to unblock their numbers and call you back)." So perhaps I was wrong - sorry if I misled anyone. Still, I've had ACR for several years, and I've honestly never missed an important call through using it - either by them un-withholding their number or by calling my mobile. Still, if the call is important, I'm sure they'd be happy to announce their name/business when asked by TrueCall. Also, if enough people start using ACR then such companies/businesses/etc may reconsider their withholding. There's not really any excuse these days as they can easily set up a "presentation number", that are just numbers presented to the recipient of the call to identify who is calling - if you call them back it just plays a recorded message saying what company called. A lot of places use these now. Also on that site: "most telemarketing companies pass on their Caller-ID as this is now a legal requirement for call centres that use predictive dialling equipment". Err! what is predictive dialling equipment? BTW users with wired extensions should be aware of restrictions in functionality. -- Peter Pratten Please reply in group only |
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On 10/12/09 01:25, Peter Pratten wrote:
Err! what is predictive dialling equipment? The call centre automatically dials your number before they have actually got a person available to speak to you, but when they predict that a member of staff will finish their current call and become available by the time you've answered ... if you answer "too quick" or the agent wraps up the call they're on "too slow" they either play you a voice message or just hang up the line (I think they're not supposed to do the latter if calling from within the UK). |
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"Peter Pratten" wrote in message ... BTW users with wired extensions should be aware of restrictions in functionality. The restriction you refer to, I think, is that for a very small number of people TrueCall won't work for them because they HAVE to use a wired phone that HAS to be on a wired extension that in turn HAS to be connected directly to the master socket behind the faceplate. I had several extensions like this as my house has a phone socket in most rooms, but the solution was easy for me. As all of my extension phones were cordless, I simply paired them with a single base station (I believe any DECT base station can pair with up to 8 other DECT handsets from any manufacturer - it certainly did with mine). I then connected the single base station to TrueCall. I also have one wired phone which I wanted to keep, so I attached a splitter to TrueCall's output socket. I could then unplug all of the other cordless (extension) phones from their extension wall sockets (as they were now redundant), but I kept them connected to the mains so they would charge. Another thought, is that as all hard wired extension sockets eventually end up connected inside the master socket, it would also be possible to disconnect those, plug TrueCall into the master socket, and connect TrueCalls output to a new wall socket, which in turn has the extensions connected to it. That way, all your extension sockets go through TrueCall. For the very few people who have no choice (for whatever reason) other than to use non-cordless phones on hard wired extension sockets, and don't want to rewire stuff, then TrueCall supposedly sell an extension device that plugs into any extension socket. Obviously this costs more money. But that's life - you can't make everyone happy, and I don't see any other solution to the problem. -- Vincent |
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In article , Vincent
writes [snip details] The site mentioned the cordless and fixed wired systems but not connecting via a splitter which I thought would be a solution. As you had well promoted the product I didn't want someone caught out by this. Another thought, is that as all hard wired extension sockets eventually end up connected inside the master socket, it would also be possible to disconnect those, plug TrueCall into the master socket, and connect TrueCalls output to a new wall socket, which in turn has the extensions connected to it. That way, all your extension sockets go through TrueCall. My house had the extensions fixed wired by BT to an earlier standard and it would be illegal to rewire it myself. -- Peter Pratten Please reply in group only |
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"Peter Pratten" wrote in message ... In article , Vincent writes [snip details] The site mentioned the cordless and fixed wired systems but not connecting via a splitter which I thought would be a solution. As you had well promoted the product I didn't want someone caught out by this. Another thought, is that as all hard wired extension sockets eventually end up connected inside the master socket, it would also be possible to disconnect those, plug TrueCall into the master socket, and connect TrueCalls output to a new wall socket, which in turn has the extensions connected to it. That way, all your extension sockets go through TrueCall. My house had the extensions fixed wired by BT to an earlier standard and it would be illegal to rewire it myself. -- Peter Pratten Please reply in group only As was mine but when the BT man came around he disowned the extensions and said they were now my responsibility. I told him I did not agree as I had paid a lot of money at the time of install the problem was in the street so the conversation halted. Gary |
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They must have been live then, most of the ones I get are just recordings.
Youcan put the phone back five mins later you want to make a call and the line is still connected and drivveling on about the Bahamas or something. Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message ... We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Paul Martin saying something like: I often get calls from rather odd "foreign" numbers, wanting to play prerecorded announcements in US accents. If they ask me to press "1" to speak to an operator, I do so, then put them on hold (with music). Ha. Last one of those I had I replied in a gruff American accent, "Goddamn, do you realise how much trouble you are in? How in hell did you get this number, pal?" click, beeeeeeee That particular lot (some timeshare ******* offering a 'Congratulations' prize, haven't called back in six months, where they were calling every month, beforehand. |
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Brian Gaff wrote: They must have been live then, most of the ones I get are just recordings. Youcan put the phone back five mins later you want to make a call and the line is still connected and drivveling on about the Bahamas or something. Press the Recall (R) button (or on a very old phone briefly press the receiver rest). You'll get a dial tone. Put the phone down. It will ring. Don't answer it. It will soon stop ringing, and the line will be free. -- Richard -- Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind. |
Sky HD box using the line
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Sky HD box using the line
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... In article , Brian Gaff wrote: They must have been live then, most of the ones I get are just recordings. Youcan put the phone back five mins later you want to make a call and the line is still connected and drivveling on about the Bahamas or something. Press the Recall (R) button (or on a very old phone briefly press the receiver rest). You'll get a dial tone. Put the phone down. It will ring. Don't answer it. It will soon stop ringing, and the line will be free. Wow - I never knew you could clear a line like that. I knew you could do a "ground recall" (the function you described) to get a second connection, but didn't know about hanging up and leaving it ringing to clear it. Thanks for the tip. -- Vincent |
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from "Vincent" contains these words: "Richard Tobin" wrote in message ... In article , Brian Gaff wrote: They must have been live then, most of the ones I get are just recordings. Youcan put the phone back five mins later you want to make a call and the line is still connected and drivveling on about the Bahamas or something. Press the Recall (R) button (or on a very old phone briefly press the receiver rest). You'll get a dial tone. Put the phone down. It will ring. Don't answer it. It will soon stop ringing, and the line will be free. Wow - I never knew you could clear a line like that. I knew you could do a "ground recall" (the function you described) to get a second connection, but didn't know about hanging up and leaving it ringing to clear it. You seem to have gotten the wrong end of the stick. Please note the "briefly press the receiver rest" phrase above. This only works on exchanges which allow the use of "Timed Break Recall" on lines where this service is enabled (a common feature on PABXs which used crossbar or the later digital switching technologies). The operative word here is 'briefly'. Hanging up just doesn't cut it. Although any modern exchange (Crossbar and later) can support TBR, I don't think it is necessarily offered as a standard feature on a BT line. Telcos, such as NTL (VM) may well provide it as standard but it's a feature I haven't had a notion to test on my BT line so, for all I know, it may well now be a standard feature. -- Regards, John. Please remove the "ohggcyht" before replying. The address has been munged to reject Spam-bots. |
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