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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:50:05 +0000, Java Jive
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I reckon
that anyone with anything important in my life would be willing to
leave a message.

... and then I'd ring them back. But although I have family members
and one or two friends living abroad, they have all been told that the
best way to contact me is by email.


We regularly receive international junk calls, but since we get a lot
of genuine international calls as well it's really necessary to
answerthem all.
I did get an additional, unlisted number for VOIP use, but that
started receiving junk calls almost immediately so it would appear
that random or sequential auto-diallers are in use.

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"Java Jive" wrote in message
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I'm on the TPS, but still get calls. Or would, but I've now adopted a
policy of never answering the phone unless I recognise the number. I
let it ring and it goes through to the answering machine. I reckon
that anyone with anything important in my life would be willing to
leave a message.

Some people aren't allowed to. For example, if the doctors or the hospital
call, they never leave a message as, I guess, they don't know who might hear
it.

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"charles" wrote in message
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I'm on the TPS, but still get calls.

this doesn't apply to calls originating overseas ;-(

caller display doesn't work on foreign calls.

I have my TrueCall to drop all international calls too. I don't have any
reason for anyone to call me internationally. This won't work for everyone
of course.

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How do you deal with international calls?

This wasn't aimed at me, and I just answered it elsewhere in this thread,
but with TrueCall you can choose to drop all international calls too.

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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:50:05 +0000, Java Jive
wrote:

I reckon
that anyone with anything important in my life would be willing to
leave a message.

... and then I'd ring them back. But although I have family members
and one or two friends living abroad, they have all been told that the
best way to contact me is by email.


We regularly receive international junk calls, but since we get a lot
of genuine international calls as well it's really necessary to
answerthem all.
I did get an additional, unlisted number for VOIP use, but that
started receiving junk calls almost immediately so it would appear
that random or sequential auto-diallers are in use.

That's what I like about TrueCall... if it's a number you've told it to
accept it gets through as normal, if it's a number you've told it to block
it tells them not to call again (this can be specific number and/or all
withheld numbers and/or all international numbers). Any unrecognised calls
that you do allow through (i.e. not in any of those lists) it asks them to
identify themselves. If, and only if, they say something will your house
phone ring. When you answer it, the unit says "You have a call from
[whatever they said].". You can then choose to add the number to your
friends list and accept, add the number to your block list and they'll be
told not to call again, send them to your answer phone, or allow the call
though and decide later. It works with normal landlines, cable, and VoIP
phones.

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"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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I used Anonymous Call Reject for a number of years, however, it
created problems as and when the use of computerised call systems
became the norm for most commercial and public bodies. This meant that
calls I was expecting from the local authority, pension service, bank
and other firms I dealt with never came because they were denied
access by BT. That any legitimate caller should user a withheld number
system appals me and appears to be a symptom of this age where firms
don't want to be responible.

This is now illegal. All companies are no longer allowed to withhold their
number when calling customers (or potential customers). They must send an
identifying number, even if that number just plays a recorded announcement
saying who you were called by.

If anyone is still withholding their number you should tell them.

This makes anonymous call rejection much more powerful, as the only people
who, in theory, are withholding their numbers are companies who want to hide
(usually unwanted sales calls) or members of the public who annoyingly
withhold their numbers. I don't have time for either, so drop all anon
calls.

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"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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Presentation numbers mean there simply is
no excuse for it - they should either present their real CLI or use a
Presentation number of a number which plays a recorded message if they
aren't interested in you phoning them back.

That's currently exactly what the law is (it changed recently). All
companies and call centres must now display some sort of CLI. I apologise if
that's what you meant by this anyway.

It's a shame that you gave in - did you not kick up a stink when the calls
didn't arrive and get them to change their policy? They weren't denied
access by BT really - ACR gives them a recorded message telling them
precisely how to contact you, but they chose not to redial, so it's
IMPOSSIBLE to plead ignorance along the lines of "we tried but we couldn't
get through". Public bodies in particular should be accountable (ha!) and
easier to get policy changed.

Ah, but, I used to work at a University several years ago which withheld
their number. Even if you dialed the "unwithhold my number" code, it still
withheld it - so I know from personal experience it's not always possible.

That any legitimate caller should user a withheld number
system appals me

Me too, but note that by definition, they aren't a legitimate caller if
they are withholding! (In the case of businesses calling individuals, now
that Presentation numbers are available).

With you all the way on that.

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On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:07:39 -0000, Vincent wrote:

That's currently exactly what the law is (it changed recently). All
companies and call centres must now display some sort of CLI. I apologise if
that's what you meant by this anyway.

Define "company". Have you got a reference for this "law" please?

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"Vincent" writes:

This makes anonymous call rejection much more powerful, as the only people
who, in theory, are withholding their numbers are companies who want to hide
(usually unwanted sales calls) or members of the public who annoyingly
withhold their numbers. I don't have time for either, so drop all anon
calls.

And the Police, many hospitals, councils etc.

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"Graham Murray" wrote in message
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"Vincent" writes:

This makes anonymous call rejection much more powerful, as the only
people
who, in theory, are withholding their numbers are companies who want to
hide
(usually unwanted sales calls) or members of the public who annoyingly
withhold their numbers. I don't have time for either, so drop all anon
calls.

And the Police, many hospitals, councils etc.


Well they shouldn't, and don't with me. I have had numerous calls from the
hospital about appointments, etc. I have had two calls from the police while
I was dealing with them too.

Understand that the law has changed a few months ago. It is now illegal for
companies or call centres to withhold their number. Perhaps some still do,
but if you have Anonymous Call Reject they seem to un-withhold it when told
to.

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