home video on dvd Warning
 

GMAN wrote:
I still have the scsi drives from my Atari ST chugging along fine since 1985.

Must fire up my ST506 again. It was fine last year...

Andy

home video on dvd Warning
 

In article , Andy Champ wrote:
GMAN wrote:
I still have the scsi drives from my Atari ST chugging along fine since 1985.

Must fire up my ST506 again. It was fine last year...

Andy
Whats funny is i have an old Adaptec 4070 RLL controller that drove an old
20MB MFM hard drive at 30MB. It still powers on today with my ST.

home video on dvd Warning
 

"GMAN" wrote in message
...
I still have the scsi drives from my Atari ST chugging along fine since
1985.

Ahhh - I remember those. I had a 20MB Atari one with my 14" mono monitor sat
on top of it. They made a kind of squeaky bleep noise when data was accessed
instead of the more modern clicking noise modern hard drives do. I miss that
noise...

--
Vincent

home video on dvd Warning
 

On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:43:19 -0000, "Vincent"
wrote:

They made a kind of squeaky bleep noise when data was accessed
instead of the more modern clicking noise modern hard drives do.

The beeping noise came from the stepper motor that was used to move
the heads. Nowadays, voice coils are used in stead of steppers.

Funnily, on even brand new films, set at today or even in the future,
whenever a scene takes place in a computer room of some sort, the
beeping from several stepper motors can still be heard in the
background.
--
RoRo

home video on dvd Warning
 

On 7-Dec-2009, Robert Roland wrote:

Funnily, on even brand new films, set at today or even in the future,
whenever a scene takes place in a computer room of some sort, the
beeping from several stepper motors can still be heard in the
background.

And most of them still show mag tape (obviously studio
effects and not working) drives, plus other obsolete and
non-relevant hardware. Scopes with Lissajou figures,
continuously cycling displays, etc.
Because that is what film makers think todays hardware
looks like. War Games was a prime recent example, things
don't seem to have moved on much from then.
The sound of stepper motors is from library sound
archives, "That is the sound computers make" everybody
knows that.

home video on dvd Warning
 

Robert Roland writes:

Funnily, on even brand new films, set at today or even in the future,
whenever a scene takes place in a computer room of some sort, the
beeping from several stepper motors can still be heard in the
background.

At least now they do not just rows of (reel-to-reel) tape decks.

home video on dvd Warning
 

On 2009-12-01, Vincent wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message
...
I have just checked my DVDs with home video on them and some are unreadable
and some are fussy.

I suggest anyone with similar should do the same. before it is too late.

Yep - recordable optical media seems to become unreadable in a few years.
I've noticed this too. I used to backup my Playstation 1 games and use the
backups. They were expensive branded CDs, and now all of them (10 years
later) are unreadable.

I read a page online about this phenomenon a few years ago, and the theory
was that over time normal light (from sun, bulbs, etc) would blank the
discs. While the laser (which is just light of a specific wavelength) was
much more powerful, it was only on each bit (or pit) of the disc for an
extremely short time. Over the years, the ambient light adds up to a pass
with the laser. I'm not saying this is true, but it's what I read, and I do
have some support for this as media I've kept in a metal safe (i.e. dark)
has been fine, despite being recorded on the same burner and the media being
the same type.

Sorry I'm late. I've been trying to tidy the computer room. I noticed,
amongst the crap I accumulate, an ancient cd-r still in its
wrapper, unopened. It had been there since prob 2001 or 2002, on a shelf.
It's not exposed to light really, it's a deep shelf.

Anyway, it looked like the dye within the cd had seeped or reacted or
something. There was a brown pattern within the CD. Note: coffee had NOT
been spilled on it ;)

Upon inspection, the dye had not seeped *out* of the cd. It was a purely
internal transformation. I didn't try it in the player, maybe I should
have.

Now, I'm old enough to remember the tomorrow's world programme
explaining the newfangled cd technology and how data thus stored would
last a jillion years. Like a lot of things, it seems it ain't so.

What I need to find is media that will last decades. Like my old TDK
tapes!

--
comp.john

home video on dvd Warning
 

In article , Ato_Zee wrote:
Funnily, on even brand new films, set at today or even in the future,
whenever a scene takes place in a computer room of some sort, the
beeping from several stepper motors can still be heard in the
background.

And most of them still show mag tape (obviously studio
effects and not working) drives, plus other obsolete and
non-relevant hardware. Scopes with Lissajou figures,
continuously cycling displays, etc.
Because that is what film makers think todays hardware
looks like. War Games was a prime recent example, things
don't seem to have moved on much from then.
The sound of stepper motors is from library sound
archives, "That is the sound computers make" everybody
knows that.

Same with camera shutters. It's always a 35mm SLR with motor drive,
regardless of the type of camera. Of course, you could argue that it
isn't quite so silly to do this with digital stills cameras because most
of them have the silliness built in. Even the ones with no mechanical
parts that need to move when a picture is taken, apart from the almost
inaudible iris mechanism, usually have a recording that plays the camera
sounds of yesteryear through a little loudspeaker. It seems about as
sensible as equipping a modern car with a loudspeaker to play the sound
of a Model T, perhaps with a few backfire effects just for fun.

Rod.
--
Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/

home video on dvd Warning
 

In article , wrote:

On 7-Dec-2009, Robert Roland wrote:

Funnily, on even brand new films, set at today or even in the future,
whenever a scene takes place in a computer room of some sort, the
beeping from several stepper motors can still be heard in the
background.

And most of them still show mag tape (obviously studio
effects and not working) drives, plus other obsolete and
non-relevant hardware. Scopes with Lissajou figures,
continuously cycling displays, etc.
Because that is what film makers think todays hardware
looks like. War Games was a prime recent example, things
don't seem to have moved on much from then.
The sound of stepper motors is from library sound
archives, "That is the sound computers make" everybody
knows that.
Wargames, early 1980's recent?

home video on dvd Warning
 

"Roderick Stewart" wrote in
message .myzen.co.uk...
In article , Ato_Zee wrote:
Funnily, on even brand new films, set at today or even in the future,
whenever a scene takes place in a computer room of some sort, the
beeping from several stepper motors can still be heard in the
background.

And most of them still show mag tape (obviously studio
effects and not working) drives, plus other obsolete and
non-relevant hardware. Scopes with Lissajou figures,
continuously cycling displays, etc.
Because that is what film makers think todays hardware
looks like. War Games was a prime recent example, things
don't seem to have moved on much from then.
The sound of stepper motors is from library sound
archives, "That is the sound computers make" everybody
knows that.

Same with camera shutters. It's always a 35mm SLR with motor drive,
regardless of the type of camera. Of course, you could argue that it
isn't quite so silly to do this with digital stills cameras because most
of them have the silliness built in. Even the ones with no mechanical
parts that need to move when a picture is taken, apart from the almost
inaudible iris mechanism, usually have a recording that plays the camera
sounds of yesteryear through a little loudspeaker. It seems about as
sensible as equipping a modern car with a loudspeaker to play the sound
of a Model T, perhaps with a few backfire effects just for fun.

Rod.
--
Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/

If our current nanny government has its way that is exactly what will happen
to electric, hybrid and other "silent" cars, because people say they can't
hear them coming. Utter boll**ks of course - they didn't feel the need to
do it to the old Roller's did they? Anyway, that's what the hooter's
for.......,-)

Chas

home video on dvd Warning
 

On 1 Dec, 15:00, "William Skaggs" wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message

...

I have just checked my DVDs with home video on them and some are unreadable
and some are fussy.

I suggest anyone with similar should do the same. *before it is too late.

Gary

The best back up for home recorded DVD's is the original tape. * The only
problem with that is years down the road, you will have a hard time finding
a working machine to play them on.

I will take one exception to your comments though. *The video quality on
DVD's does not get "fuzzy" over time like a tape might do. *They can refuse
to play, or skip and freeze, or even get pixilated, but not fuzzy.

-Bill

Whack them on a hard drive and then back that up. Job done.

--
RCE Defiant

home video on dvd Warning
 

"Ato_Zee" wrote in message
...

On 7-Dec-2009, Robert Roland wrote:

Funnily, on even brand new films, set at today or even in the future,
whenever a scene takes place in a computer room of some sort, the
beeping from several stepper motors can still be heard in the
background.

And most of them still show mag tape (obviously studio
effects and not working) drives, plus other obsolete and
non-relevant hardware. Scopes with Lissajou figures,
continuously cycling displays, etc.
Because that is what film makers think todays hardware
looks like. War Games was a prime recent example, things
don't seem to have moved on much from then.
The sound of stepper motors is from library sound
archives, "That is the sound computers make" everybody
knows that.

You gotta love all of that.

--
Vincent

home video on dvd Warning
 

"Roderick Stewart" wrote in
message .myzen.co.uk...
In article , Ato_Zee wrote:
Funnily, on even brand new films, set at today or even in the future,
whenever a scene takes place in a computer room of some sort, the
beeping from several stepper motors can still be heard in the
background.

And most of them still show mag tape (obviously studio
effects and not working) drives, plus other obsolete and
non-relevant hardware. Scopes with Lissajou figures,
continuously cycling displays, etc.
Because that is what film makers think todays hardware
looks like. War Games was a prime recent example, things
don't seem to have moved on much from then.
The sound of stepper motors is from library sound
archives, "That is the sound computers make" everybody
knows that.

Same with camera shutters. It's always a 35mm SLR with motor drive,
regardless of the type of camera. Of course, you could argue that it
isn't quite so silly to do this with digital stills cameras because most
of them have the silliness built in. Even the ones with no mechanical
parts that need to move when a picture is taken, apart from the almost
inaudible iris mechanism, usually have a recording that plays the camera
sounds of yesteryear through a little loudspeaker. It seems about as
sensible as equipping a modern car with a loudspeaker to play the sound
of a Model T, perhaps with a few backfire effects just for fun.

There's a load of things like this... like... what does "Rewind" mean on
your DVD/CD/BluRay player? What are you winding if not tape? It should say
"Fast Backwards".

Does anyone remember the "keyboard click" noises some computers used to
make. The Atari ST was one such example. It let out a beep that was meant to
indicate you'd pressed a key. The reason? People were irked when pressing
keys on a keyboard made no sound because they were used to the noises
typewriters made. With capacitive touchscreens these days there's not even
any tactile feedback now.

--
Vincent

home video on dvd Warning
 

Beta portable tapes from 1986, all still OK

Camera tube failed in late 1999

Portable still works and I was using it in November to recapture tapes since
I built a new PC with 2TB of HDDs (Pair of 1TB Samsung)

I still have Video 8 tapes from 1988 which replay with no problems.

home video on dvd Warning
 

"Martin" wrote in message
...
Beta portable tapes from 1986, all still OK

Camera tube failed in late 1999

You had a camera with a *tube*?

--
Max Demian

home video on dvd Warning
 

"Max Demian" wrote in message
...
"Martin" wrote in message
...
Beta portable tapes from 1986, all still OK

Camera tube failed in late 1999

You had a camera with a *tube*?

--
Max Demian

My Sony betamax camera had tube. smear in low light . love it. In fact all
the first colour domestic cameras had tubes. They were made in a similar way
to colour crts with 3 colour sensors in 1 tube. Only the rich could afford 3
tube cameras . there were not and ccd as they had not been developed at the
beginning of Home portable video.
Gary

home video on dvd Warning
 

Two

Pick up tube - called Trinicon, and a monochrome viewfinder tube

"Max Demian" wrote in message
...
"Martin" wrote in message
...
Beta portable tapes from 1986, all still OK

Camera tube failed in late 1999

You had a camera with a *tube*?

--
Max Demian

home video on dvd Warning
 

And the performance was pretty good.

Very good colour

Low light not great but showed a few CCD thingies that lux is not
everything.

My HVC4000P provided better pictures in a disco than a Vhs thingy with CCD
pickup - theirs was monochrome.

And of course my recording section was MUCH better

"Gary" wrote in message
...


"Max Demian" wrote in message
...
"Martin" wrote in message
...
Beta portable tapes from 1986, all still OK

Camera tube failed in late 1999

You had a camera with a *tube*?

--
Max Demian

My Sony betamax camera had tube. smear in low light . love it. In fact
all the first colour domestic cameras had tubes. They were made in a
similar way to colour crts with 3 colour sensors in 1 tube. Only the rich
could afford 3 tube cameras . there were not and ccd as they had not been
developed at the beginning of Home portable video.
Gary